New Competitive Balance Proposal

• GoChiefs

  

  Falcons53;1000468 wrote:You want equality, fix the eduction part. The answer isn't go to a different school.

  As a parent, if you're unhappy about the education level in the school district you live in, what's wrong with having the option of going to a different school where your child can have a better education? The parents can't fix the education that an entire school district receives.
• Al Bundy

  Falcons53;1000468 wrote:I am currently on an IEP trying to figure out what the heck you jackrabbits are talking about. Vouchers, open enrollment, etc. Whatever happened to going to the school in the district you live in? You want equality, fix the eduction part. The answer isn't go to a different school.
  
  The other option is to sell the education system to the highest bidder and let a company run it. We are still in a capitalist country, not a socialist country right? Get rid of the dang participation trophy and make everyone accountable for success/failure. Maybe then, our kids won't be ranked what 55th in the world in math.
  
  sorry, got off topic. Just sick of the idea of if something is broken, just quit and go somewhere else instead of fixing it. This is why our kids, and in turn entire society, is falling behind the rest of the world. Everybody looks for easy paths instead of knuckling down.

  As a citizen, I have talked to the school board about issues that I feel needed addressed, and I hope will be changed.
  
  At the same time, if I have a school aged child, why should I send him/her to a district that is not able to get the job done effectively?
• Al Bundy

  O-Trap;1000481 wrote:I was talking with PIT about this yesterday. Here was my little thought.
  
  Add a multiplier to the Harbin system. Something like this:
  
  Parochial school def. public school = normal Harbin points x .8
  Public school def. parochial school = normal Harbin points x 1.2
  Parochial school def. parochial school = normal Harbin points
  Public school def. public school = normal Harbin points
  
  The obvious problem is that parochial school will likely phase out public schools on their schedule in favor other parochial schools of similar Harbin value. Ultimately, I don't think it would end up working, but it was just an idea.
  
  I say leave it be. As a former resident of Indiana, I do NOT like all teams in the playoffs.

  How would you factor in open enrollment schools under your system?
• Falcons53

  GoChiefs;1000565 wrote:As a parent, if you're unhappy about the education level in the school district you live in, what's wrong with having the option of going to a different school where your child can have a better education? The parents can't fix the education that an entire school district receives.

  That is a different question than competitive balance for sports. I know I am the one who brought it up. I went to public schools and got a great education. My oldest lives in a section of Ohio where the school is a mess and the sports are even worse. He attends the Catholic school despite not being catholic for exactly that reason. I agree with choices, what I am saying is we should not have had to make choices.
• Falcons53

  Al Bundy;1000840 wrote:As a citizen, I have talked to the school board about issues that I feel needed addressed, and I hope will be changed.
  
  At the same time, if I have a school aged child, why should I send him/her to a district that is not able to get the job done effectively?

  
  That is the problem, you shouldn't have to do that. I am not saying you can't or that if you do that you are wrong. I am saying that should not be the answer.
• Falcons53

  Al, if you talk to administrators you get the feeling that the public school is perfectly ok with kids leaving to attend private schools. The only problem is when the kid is a good athlete. They can't or won't change the system, so they have given up.
• Al Bundy

  Falcons53;1000940 wrote:Al, if you talk to administrators you get the feeling that the public school is perfectly ok with kids leaving to attend private schools. The only problem is when the kid is a good athlete. They can't or won't change the system, so they have given up.

  I don't get the feeling that they are ok with it, but I have had the feeling that they care more about the dollars associated with having the kid than they do about improving the education. Youngstown City School have refused to expel kids for fighting and other violent activities because they don't want to lose the dollars from those kids. In the meantime, the kids who actually want to learn and participate in activities go to open enrollment or private schools to escape the gangs that have taken over in YCS. I would like to see YCS improve, but in the meantime, I would not put my kid in that type of situation. Hopefully some of the new admin. in the district improves things.
• GoChiefs

  

  Falcons53;1000924 wrote:That is a different question than competitive balance for sports. I know I am the one who brought it up. I went to public schools and got a great education. My oldest lives in a section of Ohio where the school is a mess and the sports are even worse. He attends the Catholic school despite not being catholic for exactly that reason. I agree with choices, what I am saying is we should not have had to make choices.

  I agree with that. The district I'm in, I sent my son to it for a year, but just felt he had not progressed enough, so we open enrolled him in another school district. The difference has been like night and day. It's a shame that that's the case, but unfortunately, it's true. I haven't lived in this district to long, so I won't say that the whole district is that way, I will just say the particular school he went to in the district was lacking in the education department.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  There were 717 schools playing football this year. To date, only 101 different schools have at least one state title. That's 14% of the schools in Ohio with 100% of the titles. Actually less than that considering at least two, if not more, of the schools that have won a title no longer exist.
  
  I vote that we have a separate playoff for the teams that have never won a title before. We'll call the one playoff the "Haves" and the other the "Have-Nots". Once the 6 teams win the "Have-Nots" state title, they move into the "Haves" playoff. Rinse and repeat until all 717 schools have at least one state title, because isn't "everybody winning" what its really all about?
• password

  

  skank;996813 wrote:If there isn't, why have privates won 13 0f las 18?

  Because they have been better than everyone else.
• Sonofanump

  Mooney44Cards;1002187 wrote:less than that considering at least two

  Who?
• Bigdogg

  Mooney44Cards;1000393 wrote:IEPs can be for something as simple as a learning disability which in no way would mean that the kid could not compete in sports.

  Correct, this is why I did not propose excluding students with an IEP. The facts are that over the last twenty years public schools are now serving all multi handicapped students. Before they attended special schools are were not counted in the classification system. How is it fair to count students that are mentally and/or physically handicapped while private schools do not?
• Mooney44Cards

  

  Warren Western Reserve (though they are technically combined with Warren Harding) and CAPE
• Bigdogg

  Mooney44Cards;1002187 wrote:There were 717 schools playing football this year. To date, only 101 different schools have at least one state title. That's 14% of the schools in Ohio with 100% of the titles. Actually less than that considering at least two, if not more, of the schools that have won a title no longer exist.
  
  I vote that we have a separate playoff for the teams that have never won a title before. We'll call the one playoff the "Haves" and the other the "Have-Nots". Once the 6 teams win the "Have-Nots" state title, they move into the "Haves" playoff. Rinse and repeat until all 717 schools have at least one state title, because isn't "everybody winning" what its really all about?

  A Mooney poster who wants to keep an outdated system the same, color me surprised. How many kids with multi handicaps attend Mooney? What percentage of them play a sport?
• Mooney44Cards

  

  Bigdogg;1002798 wrote:A Mooney poster who wants to keep an outdated system the same, color me surprised. How many kids with multi handicaps attend Mooney? What percentage of them play a sport?

  I just proposed a separate playoff system and you accuse me of wanting things to stay the same!
  
  The minute HS Football becomes "fair" and "equal" will be the first time in the history of mankind that anything is fair or equal. Quick, name me ONE thing in life that is fair. If you can name a single thing that is fair then I will not post another thing on this thread. And I mean fair in actuality, not in name only.
• Bigdogg

  Mooney44Cards;1002879 wrote:I just proposed a separate playoff system and you accuse me of wanting things to stay the same!
  
  The minute HS Football becomes "fair" and "equal" will be the first time in the history of mankind that anything is fair or equal. Quick, name me ONE thing in life that is fair. If you can name a single thing that is fair then I will not post another thing on this thread. And I mean fair in actuality, not in name only.

  I know exactly what you met. I discounted your sarcasm. :thumbup: I already pointed out the no system can be designed to make everyone equal. A system can be made to make it more fair. With your high fluent education, I guessed you might know the difference
• Al Bundy

  Bigdogg;1003011 wrote:I know exactly what you met. I discounted your sarcasm. :thumbup: I already pointed out the no system can be designed to make everyone equal. A system can be made to make it more fair. With your high fluent education, I guessed you might know the difference

  If the system is so unfair, why does Marion Local have the most state titles this century?
• Bigdogg

  Al Bundy;1003045 wrote:If the system is so unfair, why does Marion Local have the most state titles this century?

  Great coach, no soccer, ave size kid six foot 195, outside the MAC only a couple of teams that could possibly match up with them. Any other questions? MAC schools still going to dominate small school division no matter what happens and this is still fine with me. Competitive balance proposals mostly deals with the largest schools and some privates.
  Comprendere Amigo?
• Rocket08

  You just discounted the reasoning for your entire proposal
• Rocket08

  Bigdogg;1002798 wrote: How many kids with multi handicaps attend Mooney? What percentage of them play a sport?

  On another thread it was stated that there is already a system in place to discount this type of student. I had not known that.
  
  Is it correct? If it isn't put it in, no one would complain. If it does exist, your argument is specious
• Bigdogg

  Rocket08;1003096 wrote:You just discounted the reasoning for your entire proposal

  My proposal would have very little effect on any MAC school. All but one are rural public schools. Elaborate on your statement.
• Bigdogg

  Rocket08;1003101 wrote:On another thread it was stated that there is already a system in place to discount this type of student. I had not known that.
  
  Is it correct? If it isn't put it in, no one would complain. If it does exist, your argument is specious

  Any student that attend the school is counted. Any that doesn't is not counted. It is as simple as that. There are some muilti handicapped students that are sent to other schools and the home school pays for the service and provides transportation. An example is the Columbus school for the blind. 99% of the multi handicapped students attend the home school. Called your local public school and see for yourself. The numbers are public information if you need convinced.
  
  There are also situtions where a vocational student attends a program at a centralized county school. They used to be counted in the voc schools numbers but are now counted in the home school number. Maybe this is what you were thinking?
• Sonofanump

  Al Bundy;1003045 wrote:If the system is so unfair, why does Marion Local have the most state titles this century?

  I am pretty sure that my idea (bottom 80 non privates) would also have MSML in the small school division and therefore winning the title in football every year.
• Rocket08

  Bigdogg;1003108 wrote:Any student that attend the school is counted. Any that doesn't is not counted. It is as simple as that. There are some muilti handicapped students that are sent to other schools and the home school pays for the service and provides transportation. An example is the Columbus school for the blind. 99% of the multi handicapped students attend the home school. Called your local public school and see for yourself. The numbers are public information if you need convinced.
  
  There are also situtions where a vocational student attends a program at a centralized county school. They used to be counted in the voc schools numbers but are now counted in the home school number. Maybe this is what you were thinking?

  Fine
  
  I don't think that anybody would argue that they can/ should be discounted. Simple proposal, would be a reverse multiplier for those that are really affected
  
  The other stuff is way over done
• Al Bundy

  Bigdogg;1003108 wrote:Any student that attend the school is counted. Any that doesn't is not counted. It is as simple as that. There are some muilti handicapped students that are sent to other schools and the home school pays for the service and provides transportation. An example is the Columbus school for the blind. 99% of the multi handicapped students attend the home school. Called your local public school and see for yourself. The numbers are public information if you need convinced.
  
  There are also situtions where a vocational student attends a program at a centralized county school. They used to be counted in the voc schools numbers but are now counted in the home school number. Maybe this is what you were thinking?

  Students that attend a vocational school are allowed to participate in extra-curriculars for their home district, so I think you would have to count them in the numbers.