Public vs. Private

• oozwaj

  dlazz;460678 wrote:I didn't say it was a higher standard, I said a DIFFERENT standard.
  
  If you'd actually read my post, you'd understand.

  
  Dude I have read your posts and I'll ask you once again to further explain your point.
  
  How does having a "different" testing standard vs. the privates hurt them on the football field? That's all I'm asking.
• clickclickboom

  you know what i don't like about this forum.. how people write like 600 words on the topic.. i'm not gunna read that how long did it take you to write that? can't you paraphrase or summarize or something?
• dlazz

  oozwaj;460804 wrote:Dude I have read your posts and I'll ask you once again to further explain your point.
  
  How does having a "different" testing standard vs. the privates hurt them on the football field? That's all I'm asking.

  
  It doesn't, but by your logic it would be OK for small colleges to play high schools.
  
  I mean, it's just different standards, right?
• ijustwanttopost

  yea no problem click.... Don't seperate private and publics
• oozwaj

  dlazz;461151 wrote:It doesn't, but by your logic it would be OK for small colleges to play high schools.
  
  I mean, it's just different standards, right?

  
  Absolutely....... the private schools and their coaches hold their students and players to higher standards.
  
  I don't follow your college vs HS analogy, but whatever. I thought we were talking about 14-18 year olds from same size high schools playing against each other??
• coach_44039

  

  Keep playing them...but give them a multiplier. This seems to be what other states do. Private schools have the benefit of staying at the same enrollment number and staying in a comfy division. Yes, public schools can have open enrollment. But...they have to take EVERY kid that comes to their school. They do not turn away "Timmy" because "Timmy" has bad grades and smokes in the bathroom and has the lung capacity of a 3 month old.
  
  Take the private schools and times their enrollment by 1.3 to 1.5 and let them play.
  
  The bigger problem to me is the wide difference between the smallest Div 1 team to the largest. That needs to be addressed first. The rest of the divisions are separated by 150 or so...but Division 1 biggest to the smallest is crazy. Make another division. JMO
• oozwaj

  coach_44039;461387 wrote:Keep playing them...but give them a multiplier. This seems to be what other states do. Private schools have the benefit of staying at the same enrollment number and staying in a comfy division. Yes, public schools can have open enrollment. But...they have to take EVERY kid that comes to their school. They do not turn away "Timmy" because "Timmy" has bad grades and smokes in the bathroom and has the lung capacity of a 3 month old.
  
  Take the private schools and times their enrollment by 1.3 to 1.5 and let them play.
  
  The bigger problem to me is the wide difference between the smallest Div 1 team to the largest. That needs to be addressed first. The rest of the divisions are separated by 150 or so...but Division 1 biggest to the smallest is crazy. Make another division. JMO

  
  I hear what you are saying and it could even it out for the larger divisions. But the private schools in the Div 5 & 6 rarely turn any students away except for the extreme delinquent's. They need the tuition money too bad.
• Al Bundy

  FairwoodKing;459601 wrote:Big Red is the poster child for how to do things right. We don't recruit because we don't have to. The success of our program attracts players from all over the valley. If a player choses Big Red, he will get the best coaching, he will play in front of huge crowds and against the toughest competition, and he can expect to play long into November and even December. That is why players and their parents chose Steubenville.

  
  Great post. Great programs (public or private) attract the best players. Most of the programs that are good year in and year out have stability within the coaching ranks too.
• Thinthickbigred

  What are the chances of the public schools winning the majority of state titles this year?
  Will we hold onto the D-1 title?
  What are the favorites in the divisions?
• Thinthickbigred

  The schools in Steubenville attract alot of parents atleast the smarter ones .Playing football for Reno or being apart of the best band in the valley are pluses
• said_aouita

  

  No. Public vs. Private should not be separate.
  You also have to take into consideration some public schools have open enrollment, some do not.
• dlazz

  said_aouita;468140 wrote:No. Public vs. Private should not be separate.
  You also have to take into consideration some public schools have open enrollment, some do not.

  
  Open enrollment is only limited to bordering districts though.
• queencitybuckeye

  Actually, about 4 times as many districts have state-wide OE as neighboring district OE.
  
  http://education.ohio.gov/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?page=3&TopicRelationID=704&ContentID=21640&Content=89720
• dlazz

  queencitybuckeye;468398 wrote:Actually, about 4 times as many districts have state-wide OE as neighboring district OE.
  
  http://education.ohio.gov/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?page=3&TopicRelationID=704&ContentID=21640&Content=89720

  
  I'll be damned...didn't know that. That PDF is a good read. Looks like many of the districts around mine are neighboring-only, so that's why I assumed that.
• gamauter

  

  Wayne Co sups started this yet every district in their county has open enrollment, all but 2 statewide.
• hrspeedmerchant

  dlazz;468375 wrote:Open enrollment is only limited to bordering districts though.

  Not true. Hell, a school district can cross state lines if they wish.
• dlazz

  hrspeedmerchant;468482 wrote:Not true. Hell, a school district can cross state lines if they wish.

  
  Maybe you should read the past four posts.
• Thread Bomber

  

  
• Thinthickbigred

  GET OFF THE HORSE !!!!!
• said_aouita

  

  dlazz;468375 wrote:Open enrollment is only limited to bordering districts though.

  
  I'm just thinking public schools with open enrollment could have an advantage getting athletes over a neighboring public school which does not.
• coach_44039

  

  Open enrollment is different and the OHSAA has addressed this issue. A student cannot open enroll in another school and play a sport without authorization from the OHSAA. Even a student that lives and goes to school at school X for one year...and parents move to school B the next...MUST complete a form and have it approved by OHSAA. A student cannot go to school for one year at school A and then transfer to school B and play sports. They have to sit out for a year, unless....change in residency, guardianship, etc. Its not like a kid who doesn't like his coach can pack up and go play at another school. The rules have been tweaked and it has become more difficult to cheat the system. The only difference I can think of is if a student is currently enrolled at school A and his parents move to school district B and the student wishes to remain in School A and is accepted by open enrollment. This is different because the student is already in that particular school system.
  
  There are many "exceptions" to the eligibility requirements listed on the Ohio High School Athletic Associations website. But these "exceptions" must be appealed to the OHSAA and the board makes a ruling on whether or not a student meets the "exception" requirement.
  
  Open enrollment is NOT like it once was.
• holdingout

  Thinthickbigred;466892 wrote:The schools in Steubenville attract alot of parents atleast the smarter ones .Playing football for Reno or being apart of the best band in the valley are pluses

  
  ^^^Steubenville's village idiot.
• Tiernan

  Next week the two best HS football teams in Ohio across all Divisions will do battle on Karl Rd in Columbus. The OHSAA should really just bring a big 'ol trophy to the game and give it to the winner.
• fish82

  

  Tiernan;478681 wrote:Next week the two best HS football teams in Ohio across all Divisions will do battle on Karl Rd in Columbus. The OHSAA should really just bring a big ass trophy to the game and give it to the winner.

  
  Colerain and Glenville are playing in Columbus? What's up with that?
• 1_beast

  

  gamauter;468477 wrote:Wayne Co sups started this yet every district in their county has open enrollment, all but 2 statewide.

  
  Good for them for starting this!!! Open enrollment has nowhere NEAR the advantage of Private.........you folks who think different have your heads in the clouds! The %'s and numbers dont lie!!!