Public vs. Private

• skank

  

  Big Al Carter;452103 wrote:Preach it brother! Speilman, Zwick, James, Abdul, and on and on and on

  
  Did you like Porters sunday special last sunday? FIVE (5) transfers to Hoover this year? One from Texas? Wow.
• coyotes22

  

  This is the best part of HS Football!!
  
  All the goons come out to play!!!
• Big Al Carter

  

  skank;452130 wrote:Did you like Porters sunday special last sunday? FIVE (5) transfers to Hoover this year? One from Texas? Wow.

  
  His mothers brothers wifes cousin is from No. Canton!!!!
• GoChiefs

  

  skank;452121 wrote:You are implying what? Please check the forum rules once again.

  
  There you go with the assumptions. I just meant hand picking who they want from Massillon.
• skank

  

  Big Al Carter;452139 wrote:His mothers brothers wifes cousin is from No. Canton!!!!

  
  Yeah, N. Canton Texas.
• skank

  

  GoChiefs;452140 wrote:There you go with the assumptions. I just meant hand picking who they want from Massillon.

  
  Oh, ok then.
• Big Al Carter

  

  GoChiefs;452140 wrote:There you go with the assumptions. I just meant hand picking who they want from Massillon.

  
  Yeah, (Massillon) Jackson, (Massillon) Perry, (Massillon) Tuslaw.
• skank

  

  Big Al Carter;452162 wrote:Yeah, (Massillon) Jackson, (Massillon) Perry, (Massillon) Tuslaw.

  
  As soon as one of those schools has a kid who would be higher than 4th team on the depth chart, we'll talk about it, until then, nice try.
• justcompete

  This has already happened in Columbus
• justcompete

  coyotes22;452086 wrote:I have an idea:
  
  The publics should just stop playing the privates!!!
  
  That'll show em!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  *insert rolling eyes*

  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  This has already happened in Columbus
• sjmvsfscs08

  What's the difference between a private school and a public school with open enrollment?
• thereddragin

  do i think the system is fair... no... privates do hold an edge... do i think they should change it.... no...
• skank

  

  sjmvsfscs08;453237 wrote:What's the difference between a private school and a public school with open enrollment?

  
  No comparison, edge goes to the privates.
• skank

  

  thereddragin;453268 wrote:do i think the system is fair... no... privates do hold an edge... do i think they should change it.... no...

  
  My sentiments exactly.
• thereddragin

  skank;453277 wrote:My sentiments exactly.

  
  
  scary thought..... we agree....
• skank

  

  Haha, you just stick with the ole skank and you'll go places.
• believer

  

  OHSAA mulls split of public, private schools for playoffs
  
  http://www.coshoctontribune.com/article/20100816/SPORTS/8140321/-1/NLETTER01?source=nletter-news
• skank

  

  Thanks believer, good read.
• gamauter

  

  The difference is dedication and parental participation. At my son's school 70% of the kids do not participate in anything. At Newark Catholic which is a local school that is probibly less than 10%. I know the parents because they went to school there with me. I chose not to put my son there. The public schools have to take everyone and try to keep them for their state graduation stats. Sports are not on the radar for someone who doesn't even want to be at school.
• bucknole14

  It has nothing to do with private or public kids, its about how much the kids/coaches/parents and fans dedicate themselves to the game, how much work the put in and how hard they play. For all you Massillon people, Chris Speilman will tell you he was not the most talanted, but he gave is heart to the game, worked hard, and played through injury. As far as teams "recruiting" players, everyone does it in high school, look up the nations top 100 high school fball teams, most are public schools, for instance, hoover Al, most of those kids arent from Alabama, and at Cal's mater da which is private, most of those from all over Cal. Publics can beat privates, and vise verse. all about heart and will.
• skank

  

  bucknole14;453503 wrote:It has nothing to do with private or public kids, its about how much the kids/coaches/parents and fans dedicate themselves to the game, how much work the put in and how hard they play. For all you Massillon people, Chris Speilman will tell you he was not the most talanted, but he gave is heart to the game, worked hard, and played through injury. As far as teams "recruiting" players, everyone does it in high school, look up the nations top 100 high school fball teams, most are public schools, for instance, hoover Al, most of those kids arent from Alabama, and at Cal's mater da which is private, most of those from all over Cal. Publics can beat privates, and vise verse. all about heart and will.

  
  This may be the biggest bunch of bunk I have ever read.
• wkfan

  I am not in favor of splitting private and public schools.....
  
  Regardless of the advantages in attendance area, ability to recruit and being able to deny admission to students that they do not want (AND allow entrance to students that they DO want)....top public schools are equal to, and in many cases better than, many private schools in both academics and athletics.
  
  Keep 'em together.
• fish82

  

  skank;451808 wrote:Yes....last year they did....But let's look closer....shall we?
  
  There are currently seven (7), private schools playing DI, so out of the approximately 120 total schools in DI, that means there are one hundred and thirteen (113) public schools in DI.
  
  Public schools represent 94%, privates, 6%.
  
  Yet, of the 38 DI State Championship games, the privates have won 23 of them, 60%.
  
  When 6% of the total wins 60% of the prizes, there should be changes made.
  
  Now I know numbers don't always show the real picture, and to prove that, of the 23 Championships that the privates have won, Moeller and Ignatius have won 17 of them.
  
  In the 70s, there were approx. 250 schools competing at the AAA level every year for a State Championship, (compared to the approx. 120 today), yet Moeller seemed to dominate. I'm sure that had something to do with the fact that they were getting kids from several different states.
  
  Privates and publics have faced off 20 times in the championship game, with privates winning 15 times, (75%), of the five (5) losses, three of them have been to Canton Mckinley.
  
  With all that said, I don't think they should seperate them either.
  
  I think a bigger problem is the numbers, as I've said before, their is no ceiling in DI, therefore, if a school with, say, 1171 boys, were to play a school with, oh, I don't know, 550 boys, that's a diff. of approx. 600 boys. The ceiling in DII is 168, DIII 96, DIV 74 and DV 51.
  
  Schools with low #'s in DI, that can compete year in and year out are Massillon and Glenville and occasionally Lima, the next teir up are Upper Arlington, McKinley, Warren and Dublin, after these 7, the large enrollment schools rule the day.

  The only large enrollment schools that remotely "rule the day" are X and Iggy. 7 of the top 10 largest schools won't sniff the state title game in this or any other lifetime.
  
  Just drop to D2 and be done with it already.
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  thereddragin;453268 wrote:do i think the system is fair... no... privates do hold an edge... do i think they should change it.... no...

  This is how I feel. This is heavily debated over on the "other" site right now (which is how this thread got started on here, btw) and I'm sure a few people like gamateur, for example will be surprised to hear me say that after the stance I took over there. I'm in favor of a multiplier, which apparently is the end of the world for small private schools. Keep 'em together, but don't act like they're playing by the same exact rules, because they're not.
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  wkfan;454036 wrote:I am not in favor of splitting private and public schools.....
  
  Regardless of the advantages in attendance area, ability to recruit and being able to deny admission to students that they do not want (AND allow entrance to students that they DO want)....top public schools are equal to, and in many cases better than, many private schools in both academics and athletics.
  
  Keep 'em together.

  I am in agreement with keeping them together, as my previous post states...however, you make a point in this post that I hope you can address. You say "top public schools" are equal to or greater than many private schools...and I agree. However, what are the other 95% of public open enrollment schools supposed to do, that are not equal to many private schools on a yearly basis because of the reasons you listed above? Are we supposed to just suck it up and be ok with having a great year, making the playoffs and then promptly getting beat by a school that pulled all of the best athletes from their county/area on to 1 team so they could beat teams like ours? Obviously, that does not happen at every private school, and I think locally, Newark Catholic is NOT a terrible school in terms of recruitment, BUT we've all seen schools, pretty much year in and year out where this happens. I guess my question is, do you think there's some proper way of finding some sort of middle ground, where there might be a little bit of overlap and both sides could compromise?