2016 Browns Season Thread

• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1783045 wrote:Yeah skinny knees. 2/10 would not draft

  He can gain some weight. I think where he has an advantage over Wentz is his football acumen. I think Wentz has better physical tools but a lot of times that doesn't mean shit.
• iclfan2

  

  From all I've heard, both wentz and goff would be below Marion's and Winston.
  
  Also, take the best qb period. If you think wentz will be better but will take a couple years of fine tuning TAKE HIM. We aren't winning now anyway.
  
  
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• Commander of Awesome

  

  MKC reporting browns have made offer to schwartz, but thinks he'll hit the market SMH.
  
  Also, Goff and Wentz next to each other. Get a sense in the size difference.
  
  
• BR1986FB

  iclfan2;1783059 wrote:From all I've heard, both wentz and goff would be below Marion's and Winston.
  
  Also, take the best qb period. If you think wentz will be better but will take a couple years of fine tuning TAKE HIM. We aren't winning now anyway.
  
  
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  Heard Browns beat reporter Darryl Ruiter (92.3) reporting from the Combine that some of the local "buzz" is that there isn't a QB worthy of that #2 pick and Jackson made some kind of comment about "we're taking a QB in this draft, just may not be at #2." Obviously could be smoke.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1783088 wrote:MKC reporting browns have made offer to schwartz, but thinks he'll hit the market SMH.

  And it sounds like Jackson's mindset is "we want them here but if they want to leave, leave."
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1783091 wrote:Heard Browns beat reporter Darryl Ruiter (92.3) reporting from the Combine that some of the local "buzz" is that there isn't a QB worthy of that #2 pick and Jackson made some kind of comment about "we're taking a QB in this draft, just may not be at #2." Obviously could be smoke.

  This fits Hits' approach of trying to trade down. Just two issues, who would do it and how far can you go without fucking over getting the guy you want?
  
  I still think there is about 97% we end up with Goff or Wentz after the #2 pick.
• iclfan2

  

  Ruiter is a bit of a douche. And it doesn't matter if someone is "worthy" or not, we need one, period. My best friend is at the combine (and a well known, well respected draft analyst, and Browns fan), so I will see what he has to say after this week is up.
  
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• BR1986FB

  like_that;1783093 wrote:This fits Hits' approach of trying to trade down. Just two issues, who would do it and how far can you go without fucking over getting the guy you want?
  
  I still think there is about 97% we end up with Goff or Wentz after the #2 pick.

  I agree with both counts. Think they will end up with a QB at 2. I'd be pissed if they took Bosa at 2 and ended up with someone like Hackenberg at 32.
• Laley23

  

  Shouldn't trade down if they were still intent on taking a QB. All it does is risk not getting your guy when you are currently guaranteed to get him.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Jared Goff: 6040, 215, 9 hand
• BR1986FB

  Believe Jackson discussed hand size yesterday.
• Crimson streak

  

  9 for the hands is better than I expected. Should be alright.
  
  
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• SportsAndLady

  

  Who gives a shit about his hand size lol
• Heretic

  

  SportsAndLady;1783212 wrote:Who gives a shit about his hand size lol

  That's one of those things that give scouting "gurus" chubbies, despite how there's probably no real evidence stating big hands are a necessity to throw a football.
  
  http://deadspin.com/arkansas-qb-trying-to-stretch-his-lil-baby-hands-in-ord-1761240625
  

  Hand size has long been a boogeyman of sorts when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks, the idea being that guys with smaller hands can’t grip the ball in cold weather or put as much zip on their passes. I have no idea of there’s any real empirical data to back this assumption up—Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Michael Vick all had small hand measurements at their combines, for what’s it worth—but the ol’ gunslinger Brett Favre has huge hands, so that’s enough to get scouts all worked up about hand size.

• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1783212 wrote:Who gives a shit about his hand size lol

  Actually, you do. If a QB has baby hands they aren't going to have an easy time holding on to the ball and it's likely going to affect the way they throw.
  
  Jay Stark, Two years working for an NFL team & 20 years working for the league.2.3k Views
  
  
  
  An NFL football will measure 11" long with a 22" circumference at the midway point. Unless it is being used by the Patriots (joke Pats fans, joke), the air pressure should be between 12-1/2 psi and 13-1/2 psi.
  A college ball (D1) will be just slightly smaller (1/2" in length and 1" circumference). While the NFL ball is only slightly larger, it still seems to play a part in the drafting of QBs. Hand size is scrutinized as much as anything. As we learned from the 'deflate-gate' issue, grip is very important.
  
  https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-football-used-in-college-football-games-and-the-ball-used-in-the-NFL
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1783215 wrote:Actually, you do. If a QB has baby hands they aren't going to have an easy time holding on to the ball and it's likely going to affect the way they throw.
  
  Jay Stark, Two years working for an NFL team & 20 years working for the league.2.3k Views
  
  
  
  An NFL football will measure 11" long with a 22" circumference at the midway point. Unless it is being used by the Patriots (joke Pats fans, joke), the air pressure should be between 12-1/2 psi and 13-1/2 psi.
  A college ball (D1) will be just slightly smaller (1/2" in length and 1" circumference). While the NFL ball is only slightly larger, it still seems to play a part in the drafting of QBs. Hand size is scrutinized as much as anything. As we learned from the 'deflate-gate' issue, grip is very important.
  
  https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-football-used-in-college-football-games-and-the-ball-used-in-the-NFL

  I get that it helps. But there are plenty of examples of successful NFL qbs with hands less than 9 inches.
• queencitybuckeye

  I swear the majority of teams would do better if the draft was held two weeks after the Super Bowl without all of the nonsense that has little or nothing to do with the main question: can this guy play?
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1783220 wrote:I get that it helps. But there are plenty of examples of successful NFL qbs with hands less than 9 inches.

  Yeah, I can see that. I'd rather not chance it though.
• BR1986FB

  Duh? Why wouldn't they with the limited amount of talent on this squad?
  
  From everything I've seen & heard, it looks like Gordon is in, pardon the expression, beast mode. Looks like he's in incredible shape & focused on returning.
  
  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/browns-open-suspended-gordon-returning-team-181055385--nfl.html
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1783220 wrote:I get that it helps. But there are plenty of examples of successful NFL qbs with hands less than 9 inches.

  There are? Can you name 3?
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1783239 wrote:There are? Can you name 3?

  Heretic already posted an article.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1783227 wrote:Duh? Why wouldn't they with the limited amount of talent on this squad?
  
  From everything I've seen & heard, it looks like Gordon is in, pardon the expression, beast mode. Looks like he's in incredible shape & focused on returning.
  
  https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/browns-open-suspended-gordon-returning-team-181055385--nfl.html

  Gotta love how goodell is taking the full 60 days to make a decision on his reinstatement. He is such a piece of shit. I wasn't exactly going out on a limb, but I called this at the time that Gordon applied for reinstatement.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1783261 wrote:Heretic already posted an article.

  And it listed Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Michael Vick. Hardly a list of world beaters.
  
  Smith is the definition of mediocre, Romo while good is a fumble machine (and hurt) and Mike Vick is probably the most athletic person to every play the position.
• Iliketurtles

  

  Commander of Awesome;1783263 wrote:And it listed Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Michael Vick. Hardly a list of world beaters.
  
  Smith is the definition of mediocre, Romo while good is a fumble machine (and hurt) and Mike Vick is probably the most athletic person to every play the position.

  LOLfail that you think Romo is a fumble machine. Maybe you should go do some research and not listen to whatever BSPN tells you. Here is a list of currently players and their fumbles. This is just for regular season as it was easier to do.
  

  	GP	FUM	FUM/GM
  DALTON	77	20	0.2597
  P MANNING	266	75	0.2820
  HASSELBECK	209	67	0.3206
  RYAN	126	45	0.3571
  NEWTON	78	30	0.3846
  PALMER	160	65	0.4063
  BREES	217	90	0.4147
  STAFFORD	93	41	0.4409
  BRADY	225	100	0.4444
  BIG BEN	171	78	0.4561
  ROMO	133	61	0.4586
  RODGERS	126	58	0.4603
  A SMITH	126	60	0.4762
  RIVERS	164	82	0.5000
  FITZPACKTRICK	112	57	0.5089
  WILSON	64	33	0.5156
  E MANNING	185	96	0.5189
  FLACCO	122	66	0.5410
  TANNEHILL	64	36	0.5625
  LUCK	55	31	0.5636
  CUTLER	134	82	0.6119
  VICK	143	97	0.6783

• DeyDurkie5

  

  Iliketurtles;1783272 wrote:LOLfail that you think Romo is a fumble machine. Maybe you should go do some research and not listen to whatever BSPN tells you. Here is a list of currently players and their fumbles. This is just for regular season as it was easier to do.
  

  	GP	FUM	FUM/GM
  DALTON	77	13	0.1688
  P MANNING	266	47	0.1767
  NEWTON	78	16	0.2051
  HASSELBECK	209	47	0.2249
  STAFFORD	93	24	0.2581
  ROMO	149	39	0.2617
  RYAN	126	33	0.2619
  PALMER	160	48	0.3000
  BIG BEN	171	52	0.3041
  WILSON	64	20	0.3125
  FITZPACKTRICK	112	36	0.3214
  BRADY	225	74	0.3289
  RIVERS	164	55	0.3354
  BREES	217	73	0.3364
  A SMITH	126	45	0.3571
  TANNEHILL	64	23	0.3594
  RODGERS	126	46	0.3651
  FLACCO	122	46	0.3770
  CUTLER	134	51	0.3806
  E MANNING	185	72	0.3892
  VICK	143	56	0.3916
  LUCK	55	24	0.4364

  LOLPWNFAIL