Week 8: Do We Have to Watch? Browns vs Cardinals

• Gardens35

  The very best way I've found to watch a Browns game is to record it and fast forward through the plays. It reduces the torture session to just about 35 minutes. Get healthy.
• lhslep134

  

  friendfromlowry;1759728 wrote:I think I speak for everyone when I say tl;dr and fuck off.

  Seconded. Reps
• Sonofanump

  Unsure which thread to put this in, interesting ranking every loss since the return.
  
  https://subwayrecord.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/every-browns-loss-since-1999-ranked/
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Do not want to read.
• Footwedge

  Dion Lewis with yet another monster game...this time on national tv for all to see. The same Lewis that Cueball cut in order to keep stalwarts, Ben Tate and Terrence West, Isaiah Crowell too for that matter. And we are supposed to buy in that McCown gives the Browns the best chance to win?
  
  Maybe Farmer has stacked the team...only the dumb fuck head coach doesn't know the diff between his ass and a hole in the ground.
  
  Last year, there was anger in parading out the long time loser Brian Hoyer. As the losses mount this year, those fan sin the know are now feeling rage over Pettine's utter stupidity.
• BR1986FB

  Footwedge;1759803 wrote:Dion Lewis with yet another monster game...this time on national tv for all to see. The same Lewis that Cueball cut in order to keep stalwarts, Ben Tate and Terrence West, Isaiah Crowell too for that matter. And we are supposed to buy in that McCown gives the Browns the best chance to win?
  
  Maybe Farmer has stacked the team...only the dumb fuck head coach doesn't know the diff between his ass and a hole in the ground.
  
  Last year, there was anger in parading out the long time loser Brian Hoyer. As the losses mount this year, those fan sin the know are now feeling rage over Pettine's utter stupidity.

  Just stop with the Dion Lewis shit. He's a product of New England's system. He wouldn't be doing nearly as well here.
  
  I think it was Heretic who made a valid point about NE and their RB's. With Tom Brady, defenses respect the pass more than the run and a blindfolded monkey could go off at RB in that system. The Browns don't have the QB,or the offense, for Lewis to be putting up those numbers.
  
  And there are no fans "in the know."
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1759809 wrote:Just stop with the Dion Lewis shit. He's a product of New England's system. He wouldn't be doing nearly as well here.
  
  I think it was Heretic who made a valid point about NE and their RB's. With Tom Brady, defenses respect the pass more than the run and a blindfolded monkey could go off at RB in that system. The Browns don't have the QB,or the offense, for Lewis to be putting up those numbers.
  
  And there are no fans "in the know."

  This.
  
  Think about the numerous no name rbs who played in NE's system and then weren't shit after. The only guy that I can think of, who has made a career post NE is woodhead.
• Sonofanump

  Commander of Awesome;1759794 wrote:Do not want to read.

  List like that are very odd to me. I remember the loses much more than the wins with the Browns.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1759816 wrote:This.
  
  Think about the numerous no name rbs who played in NE's system and then weren't shit after. The only guy that I can think of, who has made a career post NE is woodhead.

  And the Browns have that RB on their roster. His name is Duke Johnson. Plug him in NE's system and he's putting up similar, if not better, numbers than Lewis. It's ALL about Tom Brady and that system.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Yeah if you watched that game last night, Lewis was wide open pretty much the entire time. It's so easy to play his role in the offense. You're basically the guy the defense has to concede because they can't cover everyone.
  
  If Lewis played for any other team he'd be scraping the barrel for touches.
  
  Not surprised everyone sees that but buttwedge.
• lhslep134

  

  SportsAndLady;1759821 wrote: If Lewis played for any other team he'd be scraping the barrel for touches.

  
  30 teams besides the Browns passed on the opportunity to take a chance on Lewis and the one team that did only did so because they can plug and play any back, yet ImbecileWedge blames the Browns.
  
  
  
  He's really been bringing the unintentional lolz these past few days. Between saying that Lebron would play 38 mins a game, TT playing 25 was ridiculous, Cavs could win without Lebron but not based on their win over Memphis, and his continued unrequited love of Manziel, FW has truly been having a "look at me, I'm a fucking idiot and I say incredibly dumb things that only imbeciles on local sports radio say and believe" type of week.
• Mulva

  

  like_that;1759816 wrote:This.
  
  Think about the numerous no name rbs who played in NE's system and then weren't shit after. The only guy that I can think of, who has made a career post NE is woodhead.

  Vereen is pretty good in a similar role.
• HitsRus

  

  We just looovvve to bash footwedge, don't we? I don't agree with him on the specifics, but there are two things, at least, that he's right on.
  
  1) The Browns are dysfunctional top to bottom.
  2) Johnny Manziel should be playing....although not because he's the second coming of Brian Sipe, but because they've invested a lot in him and they need to find out if he can play. This is a much more reasoned approach than "we are going to play the 36 year old QB, because he gives us the best chance to win"....because the 36 yr. old guy is NOT DELIVERING WINS anyway. It is time to move off that, as well the "we are are a run team, first" narrative.
  That they have done neither, is evidence of the idiocy plagueing the coaching staff/front office.
  
  I agree with the lot of you who believe that you could plug any decent back into the New England system and he would flourish. There is a reason for that, and the reason is that Tom Brady takes his deflated balls and his team into the endzone. It is all about the quarterback, and when you have one that can get the team into the endzone consistently and often, you are going to have a winner.
  It's easy to stop the Browns...just stuff the run and wait for McCown's drives to stall, or for him to make a mistake(especially in the clutch). Why? Because that is the guy's history.
  Very simply put, the Browns need to find a guy at QB that can produce. They should play Manziel, and if he doesn't do well, then move to Austin Davis. But above all, they need to have a handle on the QB situation before they go into next year.
• BR1986FB

  HitsRus;1759833 wrote:We just looovvve to bash footwedge, don't we? I don't agree with him on the specifics, but there are two things, at least, that he's right on.
  
  1) The Browns are dysfunctional top to bottom.
  2) Johnny Manziel should be playing....although not because he's the second coming of Brian Sipe, but because they've invested a lot in him and they need to find out if he can play. This is a much more reasoned approach than "we are going to play the 36 year old QB, because he gives us the best chance to win"....because the 36 yr. old guy is NOT DELIVERING WINS anyway. It is time to move off that, as well the "we are are a run team, first" narrative.
  That they have done neither, is evidence of the idiocy plagueing the coaching staff/front office.
  
  I agree with the lot of you who believe that you could plug any decent back into the New England system and he would flourish. There is a reason for that, and the reason is that Tom Brady takes his deflated balls and his team into the endzone. It is all about the quarterback, and when you have one that can get the team into the endzone consistently and often, you are going to have a winner.
  It's easy to stop the Browns...just stuff the run and wait for McCown's drives to stall, or for him to make a mistake(especially in the clutch). Why? Because that is the guy's history.
  Very simply put, the Browns need to find a guy at QB that can produce. They should play Manziel, and if he doesn't do well, then move to Austin Davis. But above all, they need to have a handle on the QB situation before they go into next year.

  I don't think many would disagree with 1 or 2. Yes, the Browns are dysfunctional and yes, Manziel should be starting if for no other reason than to see whether he can be the QB of the future.
  
  Where FW gets the bashing is his over the top/Chuck Booms-like slobbering on Manziel's knob like the kid has actually PROVEN something in this league. It's a foregone conclusion, in his eyes, that JFF is the "next Fran Tarkenton" when he has NOTHING to base this on. The "Browns would've won by 21 if Johnny had played" when McCown throws for 450+ yards, and plays lights out, is just pure jock sniffing bullshit.
• HitsRus

  

  That is true^^^, but he's spot on with ripping "cueball". Urban Meyer has/had better reasons to stick with Cardale, than Pettine has in sticking with McCown, especially now that he is banged up, and the team already has 5 losses.
  
  I would fully expect this to be his last game coaching the Browns, that is if Ray Farmer has any credibility left at all, except that you have a short week coming up with the Thursday night game against the Bengals.
• BR1986FB

  HitsRus;1759843 wrote:That is true^^^, but he's spot on with ripping "cueball". Urban Meyer has/had better reasons to stick with Cardale, than Pettine has in sticking with McCown, especially now that he is banged up, and the team already has 5 losses.
  
  I would fully expect this to be his last game coaching the Browns, that is if Ray Farmer has any credibility left at all, except that you have a short week coming up with the Thursday night game against the Bengals.

  The problem here lies in the fact that "Cueball" isn't in the "evaluate the 2nd year QB for the next regime" business. He's in the "play the guy 'I' feel gives me the best chance to win to save my job" business. As fans, we ALL would likely prefer seeing what Manziel can do but I think Pettine knows he's on the hot seat and is doing what he feels is right to save his job.
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^But the paradox here is that in doing so, he won't.
• IggyPride00

  

  ESPN just now posted that McCown will be healthy enough to go and he is starting Sunday.
  
  Mike is a defeated man at this point. The league has figured out how to ravage the only defensive system he knows and now he won't cut the cord on his 36 year old journeyman who is 2-15 in his last 17 starts.
  
  With that kind of record most coaches would consider making a change because if nothing else the guy has a losing stench about him, but in Pettine's world that is apparently a feature and not a bug,.
  
  When he is ultimately canned I think he is going to look back at his time here with tremendous regret when it hits him his own stubbornness and arrogance sabotaged his chance to be a successful coach more than anything from the outside.
• Footwedge

  SportsAndLady;1759821 wrote:Yeah if you watched that game last night, Lewis was wide open pretty much the entire time. It's so easy to play his role in the offense. You're basically the guy the defense has to concede because they can't cover everyone.
  
  If Lewis played for any other team he'd be scraping the barrel for touches.
  
  Not surprised everyone sees that but buttwedge.

  So you bash the guy because he's getting wide open? Is that it? LOL. Not only does he get open, but people can't knock him down after he catches it. The argument that anyone could do what Lewis is doing in New England brings the LOLOLZZ from me. Only a fucking idiot would make such a claim.
  
  New England is the defending world champs the last I looked and Dion Lewis is a big part of that undefeated train.
  
  Like Hits says, cue ball could get fired after Sunday. Why? Because he has repeatedly proven that he cannot read personnel talent and as poorly as Farmer has done drafting, he has exacerbated the folly with his inexcusable position choices.
• Footwedge

  BR1986FB;1759846 wrote:The problem here lies in the fact that "Cueball" isn't in the "evaluate the 2nd year QB for the next regime" business. He's in the "play the guy 'I' feel gives me the best chance to win to save my job" business. As fans, we ALL would likely prefer seeing what Manziel can do but I think Pettine knows he's on the hot seat and is doing what he feels is right to save his job.

  And if you can't understand the folly of "McCown gives us the best chance to win" nonsense, then you should find a new hobby. The Browns drafted Manziel in the first round for a reason. As Mayock pointed out, he studied his college game tapes exhaustively and concluded that...just like me, the fucker is gonna be really good.
  
  Yet, the bald headed asshole wants him holding a clip board forever and a day.
• Al Bundy

  Footwedge;1760009 wrote:So you bash the guy because he's getting wide open? Is that it? LOL. Not only does he get open, but people can't knock him down after he catches it. The argument that anyone could do what Lewis is doing in New England brings the LOLOLZZ from me. Only a fucking idiot would make such a claim.
  
  New England is the defending world champs the last I looked and Dion Lewis is a big part of that undefeated train.
  
  Like Hits says, cue ball could get fired after Sunday. Why? Because he has repeatedly proven that he cannot read personnel talent and as poorly as Farmer has done drafting, he has exacerbated the folly with his inexcusable position choices.

  Pats would be undefeated with or without Lewis.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Al Bundy;1760022 wrote:Pats would be undefeated with or without Lewis.

  LOL Patriots wouldn't be Super Bowl Defending Champs without Dion getting open out there
• HitsRus

  

  Footwedge;1760009 wrote:So you bash the guy because he's getting wide open? Is that it? LOL. Not only does he get open, but people can't knock him down after he catches it. The argument that anyone could do what Lewis is doing in New England brings the LOLOLZZ from me. Only a fucking idiot would make such a claim.
  
  New England is the defending world champs the last I looked and Dion Lewis is a big part of that undefeated train.
  
  Like Hits says, cue ball could get fired after Sunday. Why? Because he has repeatedly proven that he cannot read personnel talent and as poorly as Farmer has done drafting, he has exacerbated the folly with his inexcusable position choices.

  
  Just to clarify, I don't think he'll be fired after the game tomorrow even if the team lays another egg.
  You have a short week with a Thursday night game against the Bengals coming up.... but the decision to can him could be made, although the actual move might niot be made until the bye week.
• IggyPride00

  

  HitsRus;1760097 wrote:Just to clarify, I don't think he'll be fired after the game tomorrow even if the team lays another egg.
  You have a short week with a Thursday night game against the Bengals coming up.... but the decision to can him could be made, although the actual move might niot be made until the bye week.

  Pettine might be able to buy himself some time if he agrees to get rid of O'Neil if the defense continues to be such a tremendous problem. The guy is obsessed with O'Neil, but given a choice between keeping his job or getting rid of him he might finally agree to it.
  
  I am also concerned that Haslam is too stubborn to admit he was wrong in the pre-season when he basically said these guys weren't getting fired and we were on the right path. Guys like him hate being embarrassed, and having to admit that he has picked yet another failed regime so soon after the last one might be more than he can handle right now.
• Azubuike24

  

  NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Browns have "engaged in discussions" regarding potential trades of LT Joe Thomas and C Alex Mack.