Week 8: Do We Have to Watch? Browns vs Cardinals

• Heretic

  

  Automatik;1759603 wrote:Where are you seeing this?
  
  After his comments about being injured? I highly doubt they deal the #4 pick for "cheap."

  I know that I read something today about how he went off about how people critical of him are losers with shitty lives or something along those lines. I hadn't heard anything about Buffalo wanting to part ways, though, unless Azu is going off a belief that Watkins is on his way towards burning bridges with the Bills due to frustration. I know he was pissed with the team before because he felt he wasn't getting enough looks.
• Automatik

  

  He's just your typical wideout diva. No way they bail on him 6 weeks in.
  
  http://deadspin.com/sammy-watkins-is-sorry-for-calling-his-detractors-loser-1739259055
• Laley23

  

  I think he sucks. Thought that before the draft and think that now.
  
  FW thinks he is Jerry Rice, so there is that as well.
• Footwedge

  Can't wait for Sunday to get here. So amped to watch a one armed Josh McCown lead the team again. Just so exciting!!!
  
  Mike Pettine...he bad production...he got toe jam football.....
• HitsRus

  

  To be frank and honest, I have no desire to watch this clustf***of a team, let alone go down there , pay $20 to park, $10 a beer, and $8 for a shriveled bratwurst. The only reason might be to see if Manziel is any good.
  
  It's funny to see people in mid summer bail on the Indians....a team that at least contends and has a future....but then spend hours and hours talking about a trainwreck of ans organization and a football team that hasn't been good for 25 years.
• BR1986FB

  92.3 had Mike Mayock on this afternoon. Now Mayock may sound like Sylvester the Cat but he's about the only one of these talent evaluators (Kiper, McShay, etc) who seems to be worth a shit, imo.
  
  A few interesting things of note:
  
  1) He said Manziel is definitely a "playmaker" and a "starting NFL QB."
  
  2) He also said that he's skeptical that JFF will keep his shit straight long enough to realize his potential.
  
  3) On the "start JFF now" stuff he said he'd ride McCown out as long as possible before turning things over to JFF. Also implied keeping McCown next year and have them fight it out in TC for the starting job next year if they don't draft another QB.
  
  4) Mayock is also pretty high on Pettine & O'Neil and seems to think they should stay the course with these guys. Said he watched game film from the Rams game and they would be good for 3 or 4 plays stopping the run and then one guy would blow an assignment and off Gurley would go. Thinks they can fix this once some of the younger guys mature.
  
  Pretty fascinating stuff considering what he said is almost the complete opposite of what a lot of us think.
• like_that

  

  HitsRus;1759620 wrote:To be frank and honest, I have no desire to watch this clustf***of a team, let alone go down there , pay $20 to park, $10 a beer, and $8 for a shriveled bratwurst. The only reason might be to see if Manziel is any good.
  
  It's funny to see people in mid summer bail on the Indians....a team that at least contends and has a future....but then spend hours and hours talking about a trainwreck of ans organization and a football team that hasn't been good for 25 years.

  They do?
  
  You always bring this up regarding the fans for the tribe vs the browns. Football in Ohio is simply more popular than baseball. You have 8 home games vs 82. Also, the 35 and under age group is far more interested in fast paced action (football, bball) than spending 2.5 hours only to get the 7th inning stretch. It's more of a baseball problem than anything.
• Mulva

  

  The Indians haven't won a playoff game in 8 years. How is that contending?
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1759622 wrote: You always bring this up regarding the fans for the tribe vs the browns. Football in Ohio is simply more popular than baseball. You have 8 home games vs 82. Also, the 35 and under age group is far more interested in fast paced action (football, bball) than spending 2.5 hours only to get the 7th inning stretch. It's more of a baseball problem than anything.

  This.
  
  The Tribe could be in the playoffs, Manziel could pull one of his "boners" at the same time and the Cleveland media and the fans will STILL be talking Browns. Yes, they suck ass but it's a football town.
• BRF

  

  BR1986FB;1759621 wrote:
  3) On the "start JFF now" stuff he said he'd ride McCown out as long as possible before turning things over to JFF. Also implied keeping McCown next year and have them fight it out in TC for the starting job next year if they don't draft another QB.

  Great news.
  
  "Next year" already doomed.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  BRF;1759632 wrote:Great news.
  
  "Next year" already doomed.

  Great point, jff is meeting with NFL now. Gooddell is gonna take our 1st book it.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1759626 wrote:This.
  
  The Tribe could be in the playoffs, Manziel could pull one of his "boners" at the same time and the Cleveland media and the fans will STILL be talking Browns. Yes, they suck ass but it's a football town.

  One correction to my post. Football is more popular in Ohio than baseball unless we are talking about cincy. Their fans are still fair weather/bandwagon fans when it comes to football EZ. Good baseball town though.
• HitsRus

  

  like_that;1759622 wrote:They do?
  
  You always bring this up regarding the fans for the tribe vs the browns. Football in Ohio is simply more popular than baseball. You have 8 home games vs 82. Also, the 35 and under age group is far more interested in fast paced action (football, bball) than spending 2.5 hours only to get the 7th inning stretch. It's more of a baseball problem than anything.

  
  I posted my "rant" knowing I'd get the predictable response... this is a football town. Yeah...but is it even a Browns' town anymore? IMO you've lost a whole generation of kids who grow up rooting for other teams, including the Fu***** Steelers right here in Northeast Ohio. Nobody wants to root for a perennial loser....and when an ultimate homer like myself doesn't want to go to the games because he doesn't want to pay outrageous prices to watch consistently mediocre (or worse) football, you have a problem. At some point, even the most diehard fan begins to feel ripped off.
  

  The Indians haven't won a playoff game in 8 years. How is that contending?

  You do know what contending means, don't you Mulva?....like being in it to the last week of the season. How long since the Browns have been in it till the last week of the season? ughhhhhh!
  

  : Week 8: Do We Have to Watch? Browns vs Cardinals

  The OP summed it up pretty well.
  

  Great point, jff is meeting with NFL now. Gooddell is gonna take our 1st book it.

  Ugh, another reason to ditch the NFL. What's the point here? The police didn't charge him...end of story.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1759645 wrote:One correction to my post. Football is more popular in Ohio than baseball unless we are talking about cincy. Their fans are still fair weather/bandwagon fans when it comes to football EZ. Good baseball town though.

  I'd go one step further and say Cincy is a "great" baseball town. They love their baseball down there. Horrible football town.
• Azubuike24

  

  "Cheap" is a relative term. Far cheaper than his draft value.
  
  Injury prone
  complainer
  Doesn't want to be in Buffalo
  
  The Bills have an incentive to move him. Just depends on the price. However, I'd bet if the Browns came calling with a 3rd or 4th rounder, the Bills wouldn't hang up...
• Mulva

  

  I have no interest in Watkins.
• Footwedge

  BR1986FB;1759621 wrote:92.3 had Mike Mayock on this afternoon. Now Mayock may sound like Sylvester the Cat but he's about the only one of these talent evaluators (Kiper, McShay, etc) who seems to be worth a shit, imo.
  
  A few interesting things of note:
  
  1) He said Manziel is definitely a "playmaker" and a "starting NFL QB."
  
  2) He also said that he's skeptical that JFF will keep his shit straight long enough to realize his potential.
  
  3) On the "start JFF now" stuff he said he'd ride McCown out as long as possible before turning things over to JFF. Also implied keeping McCown next year and have them fight it out in TC for the starting job next year if they don't draft another QB.
  
  4) Mayock is also pretty high on Pettine & O'Neil and seems to think they should stay the course with these guys. Said he watched game film from the Rams game and they would be good for 3 or 4 plays stopping the run and then one guy would blow an assignment and off Gurley would go. Thinks they can fix this once some of the younger guys mature.
  
  Pretty fascinating stuff considering what he said is almost the complete opposite of what a lot of us think.

  I listened to what Mayock had to say as well. What he said was that he studied all the tapes on Manziel ( as opposed to all the know it all Johnny bashers that never watched the kid play) at A&M and correctly came to the following conclusions:
  
  
  1. He can definitely play at the NFL level.
  2. He has a very strong arm which meets all criteria to be successful in the NFL..
  3. He is really accurate at both the short ball and the deep ball. (Tennessee game anyone? Oh I forgot those were just Hail Marys, my bad.)
  4. His athleticism and elusivity is pretty much unparalleled and those J bashers that said he can't avoid NFL pass rushers have shit for brains. (Merryll, you paying attention?)
  
  Where Mayock loot my interest is when he said the Browns should stay with mcClown. Why? This town hasn't had a truly elite franchise quarterback since Bernie, yet he wants to moth ball him? For what goddam reason?
  
  Jimmy Hslam needs to get on the phone to Chuckie, and yank his ass out of the TV booth and put him on the sidelines IMMEDIATELY. This fuckin head coach that is so enamored him the guy that is 2-15 over his last 17 starts needs to be shit canned. He obviously has no ability to judge players' abilities. One only has to look at the cutting of Dion Lewis for prove of that.
  
  Chuckie would have Manziel starting for the rest of the season, have the defense playing to it's proper level and the team would probably make a playoff run with Johnny in there. Most importantly, the fanbase would for the first time in 20 years be proud of their football team again.
• Heretic

  

  BR1986FB;1759672 wrote:I'd go one step further and say Cincy is a "great" baseball town. They love their baseball down there. Horrible football town.

  If you look at things this way, they make sense. Over the past however many years, Cleveland fans have been bitching about how cheap Dolan is, so they essentially ignore the Tribe unless it gets really trendy to follow them. Over the past however many years, Cincy fans have been bitching about how cheap Brown is, so they essentially ignore the Bengals unless it gets really trendy to follow them. Pretty simple formula: it costs $$$ to follow any team beyond simply watching games on TV, so if fans have the impression that one of their team's owners is in it for his bottom line and not to actually field a winner, they get apathetic towards the overall product until the stars align and the team actually is winning and looks like they might be winning throughout the season.
• BR1986FB

  This team isn't making a damn playoff run just by changing QB's.
• BR1986FB

  Heretic;1759701 wrote:If you look at things this way, they make sense. Over the past however many years, Cleveland fans have been bitching about how cheap Dolan is, so they essentially ignore the Tribe unless it gets really trendy to follow them. Over the past however many years, Cincy fans have been bitching about how cheap Brown is, so they essentially ignore the Bengals unless it gets really trendy to follow them. Pretty simple formula: it costs $$$ to follow any team beyond simply watching games on TV, so if fans have the impression that one of their team's owners is in it for his bottom line and not to actually field a winner, they get apathetic towards the overall product until the stars align and the team actually is winning and looks like they might be winning throughout the season.

  The two cities are polar opposites. Cincy is a great baseball town, shitty football town. Cleveland is vice versa. I don't dispute that. Tribe has consistently put a better product on the field. Fans got spoiled by the 90's Tribe...plus there were no Browns in the Tribe's "heyday."
• Heretic

  

  BR1986FB;1759704 wrote:The two cities are polar opposites. Cincy is a great baseball town, shitty football town. Cleveland is vice versa. I don't dispute that. Tribe has consistently put a better product on the field. Fans got spoiled by the 90's Tribe...plus there were no Browns in the Tribe's "heyday."

  And, back then, salaries hadn't completely exploded to the point they are now. Cleveland's payroll then was very competitive with all but the most insane spenders like the Yankees. You could not accuse the team of being cheap when they were going on those runs.
• BR1986FB

  Heretic;1759706 wrote:And, back then, salaries hadn't completely exploded to the point they are now. Cleveland's payroll then was very competitive with all but the most insane spenders like the Yankees. You could not accuse the team of being cheap when they were going on those runs.

  Different ownership. Dolan went "all in" one year when he first bought the team. Since then he's pinched pennies.
• friendfromlowry

  Footwedge;1759696 wrote:I listened to what Mayock had to say as well. What he said was that he studied all the tapes on Manziel ( as opposed to all the know it all Johnny bashers that never watched the kid play) at A&M and correctly came to the following conclusions:
  
  
  1. He can definitely play at the NFL level.
  2. He has a very strong arm which meets all criteria to be successful in the NFL..
  3. He is really accurate at both the short ball and the deep ball. (Tennessee game anyone? Oh I forgot those were just Hail Marys, my bad.)
  4. His athleticism and elusivity is pretty much unparalleled and those J bashers that said he can't avoid NFL pass rushers have shit for brains. (Merryll, you paying attention?)
  
  Where Mayock loot my interest is when he said the Browns should stay with mcClown. Why? This town hasn't had a truly elite franchise quarterback since Bernie, yet he wants to moth ball him? For what goddam reason?
  
  Jimmy Hslam needs to get on the phone to Chuckie, and yank his ass out of the TV booth and put him on the sidelines IMMEDIATELY. This fuckin head coach that is so enamored him the guy that is 2-15 over his last 17 starts needs to be shit canned. He obviously has no ability to judge players' abilities. One only has to look at the cutting of Dion Lewis for prove of that.
  
  Chuckie would have Manziel starting for the rest of the season, have the defense playing to it's proper level and the team would probably make a playoff run with Johnny in there. Most importantly, the fanbase would for the first time in 20 years be proud of their football team again.

  I think I speak for everyone when I say tl;dr and fuck off.
• Footwedge

  friendfromlowry;1759728 wrote:I think I speak for everyone when I say tl;dr and fuck off.

  Don't flatter yourself...a whole bunch of people here love my postings and share my takes.
• Footwedge

  BR1986FB;1759703 wrote:This team isn't making a damn playoff run just by changing QB's.

  If they would bring in Chuckie they very well could.