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ZWICK 4 PREZ

like_that;1778290 wrote:What made him a great role player? Clutch shots. His numbers at the end of his career were shit, but teams knew that he had a winning DNA so they took a flier on him. Also explain why some say he should be inducted into the HOF? Are all "great role players" entered into the HOF discussion? Anyone who was old enough (not classy) to watch the NBA from the early 90's through the mid 2000's will always remember Horry. Not many people are going to remember the other "great role players."

a winning DNA LOL GTFOOH. You're probably the guy that want teams to draft a QB cuz "they just know how to win" too.
Horry was always a solid player. You discounting that is laughable.

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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778291 wrote:pointing out your fallacies doesn't equate spinning.
Clifford Robinson, Kevin Willis, Charles Oakley, Derek fisher, how long do you want to go.. All had long careers. All were great role players.. all must have been clutch !!!!!

Fisher was clutch. Please try again.

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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778293 wrote:a winning DNA LOL GTFOOH. You're probably the guy that want teams to draft a QB cuz "they just know how to win" too.
Horry was always a solid player. You discounting that is laughable.

So now he was a solid player, but not a great player? Look at these career numbers 7 ppg, 4.8 rbpg, 2.1 apg and tell me that is a guy you would fap to have on your roster regardless of name recognition. Horry was signed onto teams for his clutch factor, especially the last 4-5 years of his career. You're delusional.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

I'll concede fisher. How bout the rest or that doesn't bode well for your argument?

ZWICK 4 PREZ

like_that;1778295 wrote:So now he was a solid player, but not a great player? Look at these career numbers 7 ppg, 4.8 rbpg, 2.1 apg and tell me that is a guy you would fap to have on your roster regardless of name recognition. Horry was signed onto teams for his clutch factor, especially the last 4-5 years of his career. You're delusional.

I said he was a great role player and I standby that.

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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778291 wrote:pointing out your fallacies doesn't equate spinning.
Clifford Robinson, Kevin Willis, Charles Oakley, Derek fisher, how long do you want to go.. All had long careers. All were great role players.. all must have been clutch !!!!!

Clifford robinson was an all start and 2x on the all defensive team.
Kevin Willis was all nba and an all star.
Charles oakley was an all star and 2x all defensive team.

Thanks for playing again.

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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778297 wrote:I said he was a great role player and I standby that.

Sure as hell not because of his stats. He was a great role player because of his clutch factor.

Commander of Awesome

Love is a Top 10 player, it's the coaches faiult and coaches/GMs wont/sign players based on even a perceived clutch factor.

Things I've learned form Zwick today.

Let's move on.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

like_that;1778298 wrote:Clifford robinson was an all start and 2x on the all defensive team.
Kevin Willis was all nba and an all star.
Charles oakley was an all star and 2x all defensive team.

Thanks for playing again.

Which is right where Kevin Love is

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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778301 wrote:Which is right where Kevin Love

I did not insert myself into the love argument. I was just giving you shit for saying "clutch factor" doesn't play a role.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

Commander of Awesome;1778300 wrote:Love is a Top 10 player, it's the coaches faiult and coaches/GMs wont/sign players based on even a perceived clutch factor.

Things I've learned form Zwick today.

Let's move on.

Actually no I said he wasn't top 10 but probably top 20

ZWICK 4 PREZ

like_that;1778303 wrote:I did not insert myself into the love argument. I was just giving you shit for saying "clutch factor" doesn't play a role.

Because I don't think it does matter. everyone of those players had reasons for long careers other than being clutch

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ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778306 wrote:Because I don't think it does matter. everyone of those players had reasons for long careers other than being clutch

Everyone of those players weren't given max contracts (even though some of them were all stars) either. If you are given a max contract I don't think expecting you to hit some crucial shots in the 4th quarter is too much to ask.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

like_that;1778310 wrote:Everyone of those players weren't given max contracts (even though some of them were all stars) either. If you are given a max contract I don't think expecting you to hit some crucial shots in the 4th quarter is too much to ask.

I know know what you're saying. You're frustrated with Love. He misses too many shots. But the whole issue is .... That's gonna happen. He's not playing his game any longer. And we can't expect him to because his game doesn't fit on this team. I think he's doing fine for what we're asking him to do. Which is not play his game.

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778312 wrote:I know know what you're saying. You're frustrated with Love. He misses too many shots. But the whole issue is .... That's gonna happen. He's not playing his game any longer. And we can't expect him to because his game doesn't fit on this team. I think he's doing fine for what we're asking him to do. Which is not play his game.

Even more reason to trade him as soon as possible. Let him find himself on a garbage team while the Cavs actually bring someone in who can win a championship.

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sleeper;1778315 wrote:Even more reason to trade him as soon as possible. Let him find himself on a garbage team while the Cavs actually bring someone in who can win a championship.

That's fine. Who are you going to bring in?

sleeper

ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778316 wrote:That's fine. Who are you going to bring in?

Wiggins.

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sleeper;1778320 wrote:Wiggins.

Lol alright.

Automatik

Sleeper hasn't watched much of Wiggins this year, that's for sure.

I was very high on him coming out. He's shown flashes, but overall he's meh. Slacks off a LOT.

Commander of Awesome

Automatik;1778322 wrote:Sleeper hasn't watched much of Wiggins this year, that's for sure.

I was very high on him coming out. He's shown flashes, but overall he's meh. Slacks off a LOT.

I was very high on wiggins and upset we traded him. I thought he had HOF type potential. Hasn't come close to playing to my level of expectations.

ZWICK 4 PREZ

Commander of Awesome;1778324 wrote:I was very high on wiggins and upset we traded him. I thought he had HOF type potential. Hasn't come close to playing to my level of expectations.

This was me as well. But no way I'd think about trading love back for him now.

Ironman92

like_that;1778275 wrote:LOL at clutch not being a factor. Robert Horry made a career and prolonged his career out of being clutch. Look at his numbers career numbers, they are average at best and some say he should be a HOFer.

The only time I've ever heard mention of Horry and HOF is when someone makes the dumbass comparison of two players and one is not as good because of lack of championships and then someone chimes in that Horry > Magic or Jordan

sleeper

Automatik;1778322 wrote:Sleeper hasn't watched much of Wiggins this year, that's for sure.

I was very high on him coming out. He's shown flashes, but overall he's meh. Slacks off a LOT.

Sounds a lot like Love although we know Love is worthless and Wiggins isn't getting paid $22M a year.

Commander of Awesome

Ironman92;1778330 wrote:The only time I've ever heard mention of Horry and HOF is when someone makes the dumbass comparison of two players and one is not as good because of lack of championships and then someone chimes in that Horry > Magic or Jordan

http://www.thedreamshake.com/2013/9/17/4740592/robert-horry-is-a-hall-of-famer-this-should-not-even-be-a-debate

Found this in about .22 seconds. There are tons of these, heard all the time on TV too.

Ironman92

Commander of Awesome;1778337 wrote:http://www.thedreamshake.com/2013/9/17/4740592/robert-horry-is-a-hall-of-famer-this-should-not-even-be-a-debate

Found this in about .22 seconds. There are tons of these, heard all the time on TV too.

Wasn't intending to say he was wrong but I hadn't heard any speak of it.

IMO it's ridiculous to consider him.

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