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2015-2016 Cleveland Cavaliers World Champions!

  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    Commander of Awesome;1778228 wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Catch_%28American_football%29


    ppl have built careers on clutch catches/shots

    no.. you just proved my point lol
  • Commander of Awesome
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778235 wrote:no.. you just proved my point lol
    No, I proved mine. the only reason he got another yr, and ppl know who he is is because of that 1 play. You were saying a clutch performance doesn't matter, which brought teh lulz because it absolutely does.
  • like_that
    Before Love is clutch, I would just like him to hit the easy shots where he is wide open. If he does that then the Cavs are in business.
  • SportsAndLady
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778234 wrote:ok.. so like I asked earlier.. who would you like to replace him?
    You asked me what I would like him to do. I answered with make a shot in a meaningful game in clutch time.

    Not sure why you now want me to play GM.
  • Azubuike24
    DeyDurkie5;1778184 wrote:But If Wiggins went to UK, you'd be on his dick.
    I never said he wasn't good. It just seems people have already anointed him a future All-NBA player.
  • SportsAndLady
    Azubuike24;1778242 wrote:I never said he wasn't good. It just seems people have already anointed him a future All-NBA player.
    You just said he's on pace to be a slightly worse Carmelo Anthony, who's been an all NBA player 6 times. Then you have criticisms of people anointing him a future all-NBA player.
  • Azubuike24
    He'll win about as much as Carmelo. He won't ever reach the numbers Melo did in his best years. He's better than Paul George's 24/7/4.
  • SportsAndLady
    Azubuike24;1778246 wrote:He'll win about as much as Carmelo. He won't ever reach the numbers Melo did in his best years. He's better than Paul George's 24/7/4.
    Has nothing to do with winning, has everything to do with you comparing him to an all NBA player and then saying you don't understand the all NBA hype lol
  • Automatik
    Azubuike24;1778246 wrote:He'll win about as much as Carmelo. He won't ever reach the numbers Melo did in his best years. He's better than Paul George's 24/7/4.
    Nice spin!
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    Commander of Awesome;1778236 wrote:No, I proved mine. the only reason he got another yr, and ppl know who he is is because of that 1 play. You were saying a clutch performance doesn't matter, which brought teh lulz because it absolutely does.
    It absolutely doesn't lol. I didn't realize "building a career" and "getting another year" were equal. Whether Kevin loves hits clutch shots or not doesn't determine whether hes a top talent in the NBA. to say otherwise is ridiculous.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    SportsAndLady;1778240 wrote:You asked me what I would like him to do. I answered with make a shot in a meaningful game in clutch time.

    Not sure why you now want me to play GM.
    And I'm telling you that in itself is meaningless. He's still a top talent in the league. He's still doing fine for what hes asked to do. And he's still the best available to fill that position.
  • Commander of Awesome
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778253 wrote:It absolutely doesn't lol. I didn't realize "building a career" and "getting another year" were equal. Whether Kevin loves hits clutch shots or not doesn't determine whether hes a top talent in the NBA. to say otherwise is ridiculous.
    You're missing my point. You said Clutch factor didn't matter, I proved that it did.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    Commander of Awesome;1778255 wrote:You're missing my point. You said Clutch factor didn't matter, I proved that it did.

    I said clutch factor doesn't matter, its what all the bring to the table. Which is true. Do you think GM's go .. Nah that guy doesn't hit too many game winners... I don't want him. Or do you think GM's go.. That guy is a double double machine, let's get him.
  • SportsAndLady
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778257 wrote:I said clutch factor doesn't matter, its what all the bring to the table. Which is true. Do you think GM's go .. Nah that guy doesn't hit too many game winners... I don't want him. Or do you think GM's go.. That guy is a double double machine, let's get him.
    GM's say both. Along with a hundred other things. It's not just so black and white zwick. There's a hundred different things GM's talk about when deciding their opinion on a player. Both of what you said go into a player eval.
  • SportsAndLady
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778254 wrote:And I'm telling you that in itself is meaningless. He's still a top talent in the league. He's still doing fine for what hes asked to do. And he's still the best available to fill that position.
    There's probably not a more criticized player this year than Kevin Love, but yeah he's doing just fine!
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    SportsAndLady;1778263 wrote:There's probably not a more criticized player this year than Kevin Love, but yeah he's doing just fine!
    Yup he is. And there wasn't a more criticized player on the heat than Bosh, but, Guess what, he was fine too!
  • SportsAndLady
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778264 wrote:Yup he is. And there wasn't a more criticized player on the heat than Bosh, but, Guess what, he was fine too!
    Time will tell if he can be what Bosh was in Miami.

    I hope he can. But I don't see it.
  • sleeper
    There's no chance Love ever "turns it around".

    Hopefully he is traded by the end of the year. We all know Lebron asked Griffin to move him and Blatt wanted Love gone too.
  • BR1986FB
    sleeper;1778269 wrote:There's no chance Love ever "turns it around".

    Hopefully he is traded by the end of the year. We all know Lebron asked Griffin to move him and Blatt wanted Love gone too.
    And Lebron was the one who wanted Love here, hence all of the Wiggins lovers with their bitching.
  • like_that
    LOL at clutch not being a factor. Robert Horry made a career and prolonged his career out of being clutch. Look at his numbers career numbers, they are average at best and some say he should be a HOFer.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    like_that;1778275 wrote:LOL at clutch not being a factor. Robert Horry made a career and prolonged his career out of being clutch. Look at his numbers career numbers, they are average at best and some say he should be a HOFer.
    Yeah except Horry was what he was.. a great role player. Which is why he had a long career. Or are you suggesting only stars have long careers in the NBA?
  • SportsAndLady
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778284 wrote:Yeah except Horry was what he was.. a great role player. Which is why he had a long career. Or are you suggesting only stars have long careers in the NBA?
    Jesus you spin shit left and right.
  • like_that
    ZWICK 4 PREZ;1778284 wrote:Yeah except Horry was what he was.. a great role player. Which is why he had a long career. Or are you suggesting only stars have long careers in the NBA?
    What made him a great role player? Clutch shots. His numbers at the end of his career were shit, but teams knew that he had a winning DNA so they took a flier on him. Also explain why some say he should be inducted into the HOF? Are all "great role players" entered into the HOF discussion? Anyone who was old enough (not classy) to watch the NBA from the early 90's through the mid 2000's will always remember Horry. Not many people are going to remember the other "great role players."
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    SportsAndLady;1778286 wrote:Jesus you spin shit left and right.
    pointing out your fallacies doesn't equate spinning.
    Clifford Robinson, Kevin Willis, Charles Oakley, Derek fisher, how long do you want to go.. All had long careers. All were great role players.. all must have been clutch !!!!!
  • Commander of Awesome
    Fisher hit the shot heard round the world zwick, just stop man.