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So if you could choose, what QB for next year?

Cook? Jones?

Commander of Awesome

BR1986FB;1725929 wrote:I'm not saying they didn't get better at those two positions but the Erving pick was just filling a vacancy that will be there next year (Mack).

BR, that's not true and you know it. Stop being a stubborn 3 yr old.

Erving can play ANY line position, and will be our starting RG this season. Grow up.

BR1986FB

Pick6;1725928 wrote:He was being sarcastic.

No, I really wasn't. If they are going to play ball control/run offense and they don't have a reliable QB to get them the ball, they really don't need a receiving threat. Hartline, Bowe, etc will be solid possession guys who will move the chain. They don't need a guy who can run 9 routes until they have that QB in place. It's a wasted pick until they get a QB.

BR1986FB

Commander of Awesome;1725932 wrote:BR, that's not true and you know it. Stop being a stubborn 3 yr old.

Erving can play ANY line position, and will be our starting RG this season. Grow up.

You really think that they didn't draft a versatile player, like Erving, whose strength is at center with the thoughts that Mack is probably out the door? If you don't believe this, you might be the only one. I think that's the first thought that popped into most peoples minds when the words "center' came out as his position. BTW...Schwartz is also a FA after this season.

Pick6

BR1986FB;1725929 wrote:I'm not saying they didn't get better at those two positions but the Erving pick was just filling a vacancy that will be there next year (Mack).

I'd be annoyed if thats what it was soley for, and it surely played a large part in the decision, but Erving is about a flexible as they come an an OL. He was recruited as DL, spent most of his career at tackle (All american), and played center the final 5 games last season. He played center so well, he was drafted at that position. No reason to believe he can't play just about anywhere and play it well (especially this season). If by some long-shot Mack re-signs, he will still have a fit somewhere on the line.

Commander of Awesome

BR1986FB;1725935 wrote:You really think that they didn't draft a versatile player, like Erving, whose strength is at center with the thoughts that Mack is probably out the door? If you don't believe this, you might be the only one. I think that's the first thought that popped into most peoples minds when the words "center' came out as his position.

So they're stocking up at a top 5 position bc they might lose their Pro Bowler at that position next year. Also they have NO depth at any position on the line, and most teams entire starting Oline doesn't stay healthy all season. To me that seems smart. Look at last season BR and how it was torpedo when Mack went down. Jesus, you just bitch to bitch.

You're QQing about a QB, but haven't offered an alternative. What would BR do? Throw the farm at the Titans for MM?

like_that

BR1986FB;1725929 wrote:I'm not saying they didn't get better at those two positions but the Erving pick was just filling a vacancy that will be there next year (Mack).

They really don't need a legit WR if they are planning to play "Mangin Ball" this year.

Dive on the grenade and suck ass for another year, while stockpiling big uglies....go get your QB & flashy toys (WR/RB) next year. It's not too difficult.

Hopefully Farmer sees this too and Haslam has the patience to keep him around another year. I see their mindset. It's just not going to equate to a lot of wins this year but over the long haul it will work once they get the QB in place.

First of all, he is an insurance policy IF Mack leaves (don't be like IQQY and say he is all but gone... we know how that turned out for him). With Mack we are looking at the best line in the league. Erving can play right beside him at guard. Your line is only as good as your weakest link, and if schwartz is our weakest link, I will take that all day.

Also, gtfo with this mangini ball bs. Mangini didn't invent the run the ball to set up the pass offense lol. The problem with mangini, he didn't have any personnel. There is a reason JT is the only player left from those teams.

Commander of Awesome;1725930 wrote:I'm not a fan of McCown, but I'm even less of a fan of throwing away our future for MM who is as dangerous as RG3. I see very little point in bringing in a QB only to watch him get battered around, no run game, and no WRs to throw to. If we already had the #2 pick, different story. Given the browns status, I love what they're doing. Don't have the QB, so build the lines, be a tough football team.

I know you and sleeper don't believe in controlling the line of scrimmage, but I do. Running the ball and stopping the run (to pair with our pretty damn good secondary), is a recipe for success. Our FO, for fucking once, has a plan and is sticking to it. Farmer doesn't bow down to the media and just take a WR bc Kiper said so. They have their board, they set it, and they fucking stick to it.

+1, good point the on the FO sticking to the plan. I am a firm believer that Manziel was a haslam pick, and everything else has been Farmer/Pettine. I think farmer/pettine nicely told Haslam to step the fuck aside, otherwise he is going to get in the way of the Browns making the right personnel decisions. I remember the last time the Browns made a boring pick and people bitch (JT). That following season turned out pretty well.

Pick6

like_that;1725938 wrote: I am a firm believer that Manziel was a haslam pick,

based on?

sportchampps

I'm pretty sure he said wait for a qb until next years draft.

like_that

Pick6;1725940 wrote:based on?

A lot of insider articles stating it was haslam, and not to mention the vikings tried to trade and jump ahead of the Browns for Manziel.

Pick6

like_that;1725944 wrote:A lot of insider articles stating it was haslam, and not to mention the vikings tried to trade and jump ahead of the Browns for Manziel.

who do you view as reputable that covers the Browns?

Commander of Awesome

Pick6;1725940 wrote:based on?

It was widely reported at the time that Haslem called that shot. Farmer has since come out and said that's not true but most rational people aren't buying it.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=32771

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/16/loggains-haslam-said-pull-the-trigger-on-manziel/

like_that

Pick6;1725945 wrote:who do you view as reputable that covers the Browns?

Even though he has been a QQ bitch lately, Lane Adkins, and Sobo have both been very accurate with the browns the last 5 years. I wouldn't expect you to know them though, since you are not a Browns fan.

BR1986FB

I'd really like to know where I said "throw away the picks for Marcus Mariota?" I think I made it perfectly clear that I didn't want him unless he fell to #12 but you drunk dumbasses (see COA) have twisted it into me being a Mariota lover. I said, early on, that mortgaging the future for MM would be a mistake because he needs to sit for a year and they'd likely not be patient enough with him.

Commander of Awesome

BR1986FB;1725949 wrote:I'd really like to know where I said "throw away the picks for Marcus Mariota?" I think I made it perfectly clear that I didn't want him unless he fell to #12 but you drunk dumbasses (see COA) have twisted it into me being a Mariota lover. I said, early on, that mortgaging the future for MM would be a mistake because he needs to sit for a year and they'd likely not be patient enough with him.

So MM went #2, so he wasn't an option. You wanted to waste a 1st round to send to the eagles for Bradford then? That's your plan you're QQing we didn't do?

like_that

BR1986FB;1725949 wrote:I'd really like to know where I said "throw away the picks for Marcus Mariota?" I think I made it perfectly clear that I didn't want him unless he fell to #12 but you drunk dumbasses (see COA) have twisted it into me being a Mariota lover. I said, early on, that mortgaging the future for MM would be a mistake because he needs to sit for a year and they'd likely not be patient enough with him.

So then you are upset the Browns didn't make the ONLY other possible move to "improve" (i use that term very loosely) the QB position?

BR1986FB

like_that;1725947 wrote:Even though he has been a QQ bitch lately, Lane Adkins, and Sobo have both been very accurate with the browns the last 5 years. I wouldn't expect you to know them though, since you are not a Browns fan.

Adkins hasn't. Ever since Savage left his sources have been shitty. That's why I don't get on there anymore. His sources aren't much better than yours or mine.

That website (OBR) was created by a diehard fan (Barry McBride) who has uber love for the Browns. He hires a few buddies with equal love for the Browns and suddenly they're "journalists." If you could set up a website like the OC, you'd probably have just as much Browns "cred."

Pick6

like_that;1725947 wrote:Even though he has been a QQ bitch lately, Lane Adkins, and Sobo have both been very accurate with the browns the last 5 years. I wouldn't expect you to know them though, since you are not a Browns fan.

I guess you must have missed this. I know we all (especially the media) love our conspiracy theories though.

Ray Farmer made the pick for Johnny Manziel. Haslam's love for Manziel was well-known going in to the draft, but he didn't make that call on draft day. The "wreck this league" text really happened and triggered the draft pick, and everyone (in the war room) was on board.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/2/7/7999179/lane-adkins-breaks-down-the-browns-controversies

Commander of Awesome

BR1986FB;1725952 wrote:Adkins hasn't. Ever since Savage left his sources have been shitty. That's why I don't get on there anymore. His sources aren't much better than yours or mine.

That website (OBR) was created by a diehard fan (Barry McBride) who has uber love for the Browns. He hires a few buddies with equal love for the Browns and suddenly they're "journalists." If you could set up a website like the OC, you'd probably have just as much Browns "cred."

That's not true. Barry works for Fox Sports, Sobo writes for USA Today sports, etc.... SO..... you're full of shit.

BR1986FB

like_that;1725951 wrote:So then you are upset the Browns didn't make the ONLY other possible move to "improve" (i use that term very loosely) the QB position?

Like I said before, don't be bitching when this team wins 3 or 4 games with a "watch paint dry on the wall" offense later this year. Unless Manziel pulls a rabbit out of his ass, which I'm highly skeptical of, we're going to continue to watch ugly QB play.

BR1986FB

Commander of Awesome;1725954 wrote:That's not true. Barry works for Fox Sports, Sobo writes for USA Today sports, etc.... SO..... you're full of shit.

I respect Sobo's takes because he has legit experience (former coach) but that's about it from those guys.

like_that

BR1986FB;1725952 wrote:Adkins hasn't. Ever since Savage left his sources have been shitty. That's why I don't get on there anymore. His sources aren't much better than yours or mine.

That website (OBR) was created by a diehard fan (Barry McBride) who has uber love for the Browns. He hires a few buddies with equal love for the Browns and suddenly they're "journalists." If you could set up a website like the OC, you'd probably have just as much Browns "cred."

Lol sure, if people like you and IQQY take their forums as gospel I agree, but both of those guys have been 100x more accurate than any other media member out there regarding the browns. They both brought up gilbert last year, when he wasn't on anybody's radar, and they both mentioned how Haslam was really pushing for Manziel well before the draft. They also both brought up how Gordon's suspension was going to be reduced well before the media picked up on it. There are numerous examples on why they are much more reputable than anybody else. I am not taking their shit as gospel, but a lot of what they report pretty much lines up with the facts of what happens/ed.

like_that

BR1986FB;1725955 wrote:Like I said before, don't be bitching when this team wins 3 or 4 games with a "watch paint dry on the wall" offense later this year. Unless Manziel pulls a rabbit out of his ass, which I'm highly skeptical of, we're going to continue to watch ugly QB play.

That's a "yes" to my question then?

Follow up question, how many wins do you think bradford would magically give the browns?

like_that

Pick6;1725953 wrote:I guess you must have missed this. I know we all (especially the media) love our conspiracy theories though.

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/2/7/7999179/lane-adkins-breaks-down-the-browns-controversies

Dawgs by nature LOL. If you followed the browns, you would know dawgs by nature just recycles what he reads thru espn, pro football talk, jason la confora, etc.

Edit: Just realized that was LA's post. Sobo wasn't on the same page. I am not presenting it as fact that it was a haslam move, but the evidence is out there. Farmer stuck with the plan except Manziel, and he continues to stick with the plan. Haslam wanted manziel from the beginning, no doubt there was pressure to get him. We will never know 100% of the truth, but overall I can't bitch about what Farmer has been doing.

Commander of Awesome

like_that;1725958 wrote:That's a "yes" to my question then?

Follow up question, how many wins do you think bradford would magically give the browns?

I would wager a negative win impact actually. Hear me out.

Bradford is made of glass and hurt in the preseason. We don't have Eriving to help the oline, thus he's hurt. Mack leaves next season bc we suck ass. Now next offseason, Bradford is gone, and we don't hve a Pro bowl center OR his replacement. Sounds like a pretty fucking stupid idea to me.

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