2015 Browns Offseason Thread
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SportsAndLady
He threw 18 picks.thavoice;1725233 wrote:What do you make of 18 ints last season? Just curious.
What do you make of Tom Brady splitting time with Drew Henson at UM? Or how he was only ever an honorable mention all-conference player.
Somewhere in here there is a dion lewis and Pitt reference.
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robj55
It's not just that he threw interceptions, that happens, it was how terrible the large majority of them were.SportsAndLady;1725234 wrote:He threw 18 picks.
What do you make of Tom Brady splitting time with Drew Henson at UM? Or how he was only ever an honorable mention all-conference player.
Somewhere in here there is a dion lewis and Pitt reference.
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thavoice
Part of it was they saw tremenous potential in Drew to lead them to the promised land.SportsAndLady;1725234 wrote:He threw 18 picks.
What do you make of Tom Brady splitting time with Drew Henson at UM? Or how he was only ever an honorable mention all-conference player.
Somewhere in here there is a dion lewis and Pitt reference.
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18 ints are a lot for a college QB in one season, especially 1 who is expected to go number 1. -
lhslep134
RepsAutomatik;1725231 wrote:It's a lost cause. The guy doesn't get it. -
lhslep134
What do you make of Andrew Luck's 18 INTs as a rookie?thavoice;1725233 wrote:What do you make of 18 ints last season? Just curious.
What do you make of Peyton Manning's 28 INTs as a rookie?
Those are big INT numbers and both numbers are more relevant to NFL success than any numbers Winston put up in college. -
robj55
You're really comparing the NFL game with the college game?lhslep134;1725238 wrote:What do you make of Andrew Luck's 18 INTs as a rookie?
What do you make of Peyton Manning's 28 INTs as a rookie?
Those are big INT numbers and both numbers are more relevant to NFL success than any numbers Winston put up in college. -
thavoice
That the NFL is a helluvalot tougher than college. That is what I take of that.lhslep134;1725238 wrote:What do you make of Andrew Luck's 18 INTs as a rookie?
What do you make of Peyton Manning's 28 INTs as a rookie?
Those are big INT numbers and both numbers are more relevant to NFL success than any numbers Winston put up in college.
PM went from 11 INT in his last year in college to 28 as a rookie.
Luck went from 10 to 18.
Now I wont be as retarded as rob is with this discussion, but I think that 18 INTs that Winston threw in college should be more of a red flag than his crag leg incident. -
lhslep134
You really can't see my point? Has it flown that far over your head?robj55;1725239 wrote:You're really comparing the NFL game with the college game?
My point is that NFL stats are relevant and yet not always indicators of how good a young player can be. College stats are exponentially less relevant, and yet you're using them as an indicator someone will be bad. If you don't see the flaw in logic there... -
Automatik
How many picks did Mariota have last year? Oh right right....it's the system though. -
BR1986FB
Yeah, and Brandon Weeden's......(nyuk, nyuk, nyuk...lhslep134;1725238 wrote:What do you make of Andrew Luck's 18 INTs as a rookie?
What do you make of Peyton Manning's 28 INTs as a rookie?
Those are big INT numbers and both numbers are more relevant to NFL success than any numbers Winston put up in college.
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thavoice
I think your NFL stats would be MORE relevant next off season when comparing a high amount of INTs by MM or JM in their rookie year.lhslep134;1725241 wrote:You really can't see my point? Has it flown that far over your head?
My point is that NFL stats are relevant and yet not always indicators of how good a young player can be. College stats are exponentially less relevant, and yet you're using them as an indicator someone will be bad. If you don't see the flaw in logic there...
Lets face it, we can only make assumptions going forward. One could say that it MAY NOT bode as well if a QB throws a lot of INTs in his last year in college, on a team that is superior to pretty much everyone they face, where it should be easier to pass because they are going against lesser defensives, easier schemes, etc.
Now, on the flipside, I dont think MM low INT totals in college are an indicator he will be better or a great QB.
I am just saying if a QB throws quite a few INT's in college one could easily assume once it gets harder in the NFL that he will also have more troubles.
I would just be MORE ALARMED at Winstons INT totals than I would be impressed withMM low INT totals if that makes sense. -
lhslep134
Winston's '14 25-18 is just as relevant as his '13 40-10. Which means you guys who are caught up on the 25-18 have to explain and account for his 40-10 season while the rest us don't, because we're aware of minimal relevancy of college stats.
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thavoice
Or one could say he digressed between his last two seasons.........lhslep134;1725250 wrote:Winston's '14 25-18 is just as relevant as his '13 40-10. Which means you guys who are caught up on the 25-18 have to explain and account for his 40-10 season while the rest us don't, because we're aware of minimal relevancy of college stats.
but anyways........
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DeyDurkie5
Hey guys, calm down. None of the shit that comes out is truth. It's all smokescreens. Take a breath.
Also, rob you are wrong homie. -
robj55
Hey guys I'm wrong because I saw Jameis throw a shit ton of terrible interceptions last year, sorry.
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Automatik
Good. Now we can move the fuck on.
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DeyDurkie5
When the majority of people are saying you are wrong, chances are you are wrong. Not too mention, no one has said his defensive reading is bad like you. That's one of his strengths.robj55;1725256 wrote:Hey guys I'm wrong because I saw Jameis throw a shit ton of terrible interceptions last year, sorry. -
Lovejoy1984
Matt Ryan threw 19 INT's his senior season, he's thrown less than that every season he's been in the NFL. His career average per season is 13. -
robj55
I don't feel like arguing it anymore so I'll just say that you all are right and bite the bullet.DeyDurkie5;1725260 wrote:When the majority of people are saying you are wrong, chances are you are wrong. Not too mention, no one has said his defensive reading is bad like you. That's one of his strengths. -
lhslep134
Thanks for the empirical evidence but you shouldn't have needed to post it, if you catch what I'm saying.HighRoller74;1725263 wrote:Matt Ryan threw 19 INT's his senior season, he's thrown less than that every season he's been in the NFL. His career average per season is 13. -
Lovejoy1984
Oh I know
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Pick6
Trading the farm for Mariota would be about as dumb of a move as you could make. He may very well end up being successful in the NFL, but his playing style is similar to that of JFF's and therefore a pretty big risk. You don't sell the farm for that much of an uncertainty. I would be all for it for Winston though if they feel his character issues won't be a problem. I'd be Jameis has 3 times the NFL career Mariota does as long as he stays out of trouble.
But if it did happen, I'd get a laugh out of the conspiracy theories of Haslam sabotaging the Browns to help his Titans. -
Commander of Awesome
I'm convinced, do whatever it takes to draft MM.Pick6;1725301 wrote:Trading the farm for Mariota would be about as dumb of a move as you could make. He may very well end up being successful in the NFL, but his playing style is similar to that of JFF's and therefore a pretty big risk. You don't sell the farm for that much of an uncertainty. I would be all for it for Winston though if they feel his character issues won't be a problem. I'd be Jameis has 3 times the NFL career Mariota does as long as he stays out of trouble.
But if it did happen, I'd get a laugh out of the conspiracy theories of Haslam sabotaging the Browns to help his Titans. -
Pick6
We know.Commander of Awesome;1725321 wrote:I'm a douche. -
HitsRus
my opinion has not changed...I want the best available player at #12 and 19. I do not want to see them trade both of those picks plus extras to acquire Mariotta. I want two impact players, not one....especially a QB which in the NFL draft, sometimes resembles a crapshoot.