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KB0938

Im not sure of a PF id take over Love as far as best PF in the NBA. Aldridge? Duncan? Davis? I mean I think he has the best PF in the NBA locked down, when hes healthy. I understand the injury concerns though

Mulva

I would consider Aldridge and Davis. David West is ridiculous.

KB0938

I dont believe they were saying David West is better, I think just that they like how hed fit on the Cavs more so than Kevin Love. At least thats what I took from it.

Mulva

KB0938;1635978 wrote:I dont believe they were saying David West is better, I think just that they like how hed fit on the Cavs more so than Kevin Love. At least thats what I took from it.

Nuh-uh.

lhslep134

KB0938;1635975 wrote:Im not sure of a PF id take over Love as far as best PF in the NBA. Aldridge? Duncan? Davis? I mean I think he has the best PF in the NBA locked down, when hes healthy. I understand the injury concerns though

I think Davis and Griffin are the only two that could argue against Love being best in the NBA. Aldridge no because he spent less time close to the basket than Dwayne Wade lol.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouches.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=100&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sortField=CL_TCH&sortOrder=DES

KB0938

lhslep134;1635983 wrote:I think Davis and Griffin are the only two that could argue against Love being best in the NBA. Aldridge no because he spent less time close to the basket than Dwayne Wade lol.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingTouches.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=100&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sortField=CL_TCH&sortOrder=DES

I dont think being a stretch 4 makes him any less effective though

robj55

People arguing against Love with his lack of defense but then bring up Blake Griffin and Aldridge, neither of whom are good/great defenders.

Mulva

I think Aldridge is a pretty decent defender.

lhslep134

KB0938;1635984 wrote:I dont think being a stretch 4 makes him any less effective though

Well it does when he ranks near the bottom 100 in FG% on the shots when he's close to the basket, IMO. Inability to play efficiently inside is a big negative for me when talking about power forwards and centers who spend most of their time outside the paint.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingShooting.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=100&sortField=FGP_CLOSE&sortOrder=DES&filters=PTS_CLOSE*GE*1.75&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

sportchampps

I love Love. I think he fits the Cavs really well because he can open up the lane for Lebron. If Love goes outside there's no way his defender can't go with him. Remember all those stupid 3's and 15-18' foot jump shots bosh took and missed, I believe Love knocks those down.

I also think he's a better rebounder and defender then you guys are giving him credit for. He was just stuck on a shitty team without much talent around him.

The injury concerns is the one major negative. The same arguments people are using against Love could also be used against Kyrie.

robj55

Mulva;1635988 wrote:I think Aldridge is a pretty decent defender.

He's solid no doubt, but not an all league type of guy. Love isn't a great defender but he is the most productive PF in the league pretty much hands down.

KB0938

lhslep134;1635989 wrote:Well it does when he ranks near the bottom 100 in FG% on the shots when he's close to the basket. Inability to play efficiently inside is a big negative for me when talking about power forwards and centers when they spend most of their time on the perimeter.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingShooting.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=100&sortField=FGP_CLOSE&sortOrder=DES&filters=PTS_CLOSE*GE*1.75&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Did blake shoot a good % from mid range? Bc i dont find him to be very effective from the eye test on anything but dunking. But thats just an observation not stat based. Bc id say it seema blake is as ineffective outside as LA is inside. Could be wrong

robj55

sportchampps;1635990 wrote:I love Love. I think he fits the Cavs really well because he can open up the lane for Lebron. If Love goes outside there's no way his defender can't go with him. Remember all those stupid 3's and 15-18' foot jump shots bosh took and missed, I believe Love knocks those down.

I also think he's a better rebounder and defender then you guys are giving him credit for. He was just stuck on a shitty team without much talent around him.

The injury concerns is the one major negative. The same arguments people are using against Love could also be used against Kyrie.

I agree, he's an incredible rebounder with a very high motor. People forget that rebounding is a part of defense. He cleans up the glass like almost no one else in the NBA.

robj55

lhslep134;1635989 wrote:Well it does when he ranks near the bottom 100 in FG% on the shots when he's close to the basket, IMO. Inability to play efficiently inside is a big negative for me when talking about power forwards and centers who spend most of their time outside the paint.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingShooting.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=100&sortField=FGP_CLOSE&sortOrder=DES&filters=PTS_CLOSE*GE*1.75&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Most PF's and even centers are pick and pop guys with face up games in today's NBA. Very few back to the basket type players who dominate the paint.

lhslep134

robj55;1635995 wrote:Most PF's and even centers are pick and pop guys with face up games in today's NBA. Very few back to the basket type players who dominate the paint.

Serge has a pick and pop game and had a 20% higher FG% inside. Bosh was also about 20% higher.

In Aldridge's case, you can't just say because he plays away from the perimeter that he shouldn't be good inside. Plenty of perimeter big guys still shoot effectively inside, and LA isn't one of them.

There is literally no way to spin that stat.

robj55

lhslep134;1635996 wrote:Serge has a pick and pop game and had a 20% higher FG% inside. Bosh was also about 20% higher.

In Aldridge's case, you can't just say because he plays away from the perimeter that he shouldn't be good inside. Plenty of perimeter big guys still shoot effectively inside, and LA isn't one of them.

There is literally no way to spin that stat.

Serge and Bosh are also much better athletes, Kevin Love is 6'9-6'10 and not a great athlete. Also look at the supporting cast, who do you think is getting better quality looks? Serge was playing with Russ and KD, Bosh was playing with Lebron and Wade. Love was playing with Rubio and Kevin Martin.

lhslep134

KB0938;1635992 wrote:Did blake shoot a good % from mid range? Bc i dont find him to be very effective from the eye test on anything but dunking. But thats just an observation not stat based. Bc id say it seema blake is as ineffective outside as LA is inside. Could be wrong

No, not particularly. Here's his shot chart.

lhslep134

robj55;1635997 wrote:Serge and Bosh are also much better athletes,

Talking about LA here dude wtf are you talking about.

lhslep134

robj55;1635997 wrote:Serge and Bosh are also much better athletes, Kevin Love is 6'9-6'10 and not a great athlete. Also look at the supporting cast, who do you think is getting better quality looks? Serge was playing with Russ and KD, Bosh was playing with Lebron and Wade. Love was playing with Rubio and Kevin Martin.

Did you even read my post??? I'm talking about Lamarcus Aldridge's inefficiency in the post here, I haven't talked about Love in 5 posts. Get with the program dude.

robj55

lhslep134;1636000 wrote:Did you even read my post??? I'm talking about Lamarcus Aldridge here, I haven't talked about Love in 5 posts. Get with the program dude.

I thought you were referring to Kevin Love, my fault on that.

lhslep134

robj55;1636001 wrote:I thought you were referring to Kevin Love, my fault on that.

You thought I was referring to Kevin Love when I explicitly said "In Aldridge's case....."?

Why else did you think I said there's no way to spin that?

robj55

lhslep134;1636002 wrote:You thought I was referring to Kevin Love when I explicitly said "In Aldridge's case....."?

Why else did you think I said there's no way to spin that?

No I was going off the previous posts where Love was being discussed.

lhslep134

robj55;1636003 wrote:No I was going off the previous posts where Love was being discussed.

No, you quoted my text and used what I said about Aldridge to come up with some sort of excuse for Love. Now you're trying to spin your lack of comprehension?

God this would be so much easier if you just admitted you didn't really read my post.

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Classyposter58

lhslep134;1635944 wrote:He's not the PF I'd want on my team, but he's got a pretty good argument that he's the best.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&type=advanced&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=2014&year_max=2014&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&qual=&c1stat=ws&c1comp=gt&c1val=5&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

#1 PF in win shares. Now obviously without looking the response is: duh, most of that will be offensive win shares. Well he was 11th among F-C (including SF's) in defensive win shares. Hmm.

That doesn't completely mesh with the whole "he doesn't play D" narrative. At the least, it suggests he plays decent D.

They don't play D anyways in the NBA. Seriously though that team would just be a spacing nightmare with Love on the team. I mean good lord you would have 4 guys on the court who all are incredibly athletic, great passers and can hit any shot. Exciting team watch at least

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