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2014 Cleveland Browns Offseason Thread

  • sleeper
    DeyDurkie5;1584114 wrote:I don't give a shit if they aren't top 10 or not. With the exception of a few, they are all first round QBs. You barely find franchise qbs in later rounds. It's as simple as that. Why the fuck does it matter where we take a QB when we desperately need one? If it's with the first first rounder or the second first rounder, we need a QB. You are the delusional one if you don't think we need a QB. Also, I'll take solace in the fact that the people getting paid to scrutinize these players are calling 3 QBs in this draft very good prospects. I think, and I'm sure people on this site would agree, that if we don't get a QB in the first round, we are fucked.

    But hey, take a LB with the first pick and let's see us skyrocket to the playoffs. You can fuck bitches, get money, and fry them fries while khalil mack leads us to the promised land. Word, dawg.
    So we draft Manziel and he busts out in 2 years? Then what? Another QB in round 1? LOL

    I'm okay with taking a QB provided its in round 3 or greater. Manziel is about as good as a 4th rounder anyway.
  • se-alum
    lhslep134;1584115 wrote:SE, say what you want about the Giants defense being ranked 17th that year, THEY were the reason they beat the Patriots and one of the best offenses ever.
    So you think the 17th and 25th ranked defenses get the Giants into the playoffs without Eli Manning?
  • sleeper
    se-alum;1584113 wrote:Patriots were 2nd. - 5th rounder
    Steelers were 4th - #11th 1st round
    Colts were 23rd - #1 overall, greatest QB in history
    Giants were 17th - #1 overall
    Steelers were 1st - #11 1st round
    Saints defense was 20th - 2nd rounder
    Packers defense was 2nd - #24 1st round
    Giants defense was 25th - #1 overall
    Ravens was 12th - #17 overall
    Seattle was 1st - 3rd rounder

    So basically, out of the last 10 Super Bowls 5 top 10 defenses have won Super Bowls, and 5 defenses outside of the top 10, including 4 that were outside the top 15, won Super Bowls. That's weird, would've sworn that all Super Bowls are won by top 5 defenses.
    Don't see any top 10 QBs not taken #1 overall. Thanks for backing me up!
  • SportsAndLady
    Funny thing is, sleeper isn't trolling. Dumbass actually believes what he's saying right now.

    Lol but he fucks mad bitches.
  • sleeper
    SportsAndLady;1584124 wrote:Funny thing is, sleeper isn't trolling. Dumbass actually believes what he's saying right now.

    Lol but he fucks mad bitches.
    At least 3 a week.
  • se-alum
    sleeper;1584123 wrote:Don't see any top 10 QBs not taken #1 overall. Thanks for backing me up!
    Backing you up? It proves that you don't need a great defense to win the Super Bowl, making the "draft a LB @ #4" argument look even worse. Not to mention you say not to draft a QB until the 3rd round, when 70% of the winning QB's were drafted in the 1st round. Also, is #1 not considered part of the top 10? You said nobody should draft a QB in the top 10(which includes #1), because the Seahawks won the SB with a 3rd rounder...lol!
  • lhslep134
    se-alum;1584122 wrote:So you think the 17th and 25th ranked defenses get the Giants into the playoffs without Eli Manning?
    Yes dude. Manning was 40th in QB value in 2007 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2007). That defense carried them whether you want to admit it or not.

    In 2011 Manning was much better, finishing 8th in value (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2011). I'll give you that the defense didn't carry them in 2011 but it definitely did in 2007.
  • lhslep134
    I can't get over that Eli was ranked 40th in 2007. Totally shocking. I expected ~16-20th
  • sleeper
    se-alum;1584127 wrote:Backing you up? It proves that you don't need a great defense to win the Super Bowl, making the "draft a LB @ #4" argument look even worse. Not to mention you say not to draft a QB until the 3rd round, when 70% of the winning QB's were drafted in the 1st round. Also, is #1 not considered part of the top 10? You said nobody should draft a QB in the top 10(which includes #1), because the Seahawks won the SB with a 3rd rounder...lol!
    #1 overall is the only one that makes any sense and yet only 1 QB drafted in the top ten over the last 12 years has won a Superbowl. Keep supporting my argument.
  • sleeper
    Pretty hilarious that we are still arguing this when in reality Manziel and Bridgewater are nowhere near Peyton Manning like you all want him to believe. Even if they were, we just saw what happens when you put the BEST QB IN NFL HISTORY up against the best defense in the league. So unless you are willing to post FACTS AND REASON that Manziel is better than Peyton Manning, you have to immediately invalidate your argument.

    I'll wait.
  • se-alum
    lhslep134;1584128 wrote:Yes dude. Manning was 40th in QB value in 2007 (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2007). That defense carried them whether you want to admit it or not.

    In 2011 Manning was much better, finishing 8th in value (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb2011). I'll give you that the defense didn't carry them in 2011 but it definitely did in 2007.
    Giants offense was 14th ranked. I'm guessing both needed the other to get into the playoffs, considering they were both average. Those "stats" are just as dumb as WAR in Baseball.
  • se-alum
    sleeper;1584132 wrote:Pretty hilarious that we are still arguing this when in reality Manziel and Bridgewater are nowhere near Peyton Manning like you all want him to believe. Even if they were, we just saw what happens when you put the BEST QB IN NFL HISTORY up against the best defense in the league. So unless you are willing to post FACTS AND REASON that Manziel is better than Peyton Manning, you have to immediately invalidate your argument.

    I'll wait.
    Your defense claim has been reputed, nothing guarantees the best defense wins the Super Bowl. Funny how you want everyone else to post "FACTS AND REASON", when you refuse to use it yourself.
  • DeyDurkie5
    se-alum;1584136 wrote:Your defense claim has been reputed, nothing guarantees the best defense wins the Super Bowl. Funny how you want everyone else to post "FACTS AND REASON", when you refuse to use it yourself.
    He has been posting nonsense, getting called out on it, and then deflecting it. It's great.
  • shook_17
    I can't believe we have wasted 5 pages on this douche bag saying a LB is more important than a QB. Makes me lolololololololo
  • lhslep134
    se-alum;1584133 wrote:Giants offense was 14th ranked. I'm guessing both needed the other to get into the playoffs, considering they were both average. Those "stats" are just as dumb as WAR in Baseball.
    Uhm first their offense was 18th, and their passing game 22nd and run game 4th. (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff2007)



    You asked if they could have made the playoffs without Eli and the answer is emphatically yes. Why emphatically? Because Eli was rated as below average value​.
  • lhslep134
    And LOL @ you just dismissing advanced stats as "dumb".

    That backwards thinking is why it took so long for them to be embraced in the first place.

    I'm not saying they tell the whole picture, but you can't just dismiss them because they paint a picture you disagree with.
  • se-alum
    lhslep134;1584146 wrote:And LOL @ you just dismissing advanced stats as "dumb".

    That backwards thinking is why it took so long for them to be embraced in the first place.

    I'm not saying they tell the whole picture, but you can't just dismiss them because they paint a picture you disagree with.
    I could be wrong, I guess Carlos Gomez and Josh Donaldson could be top 4 players in MLB...lol. I'll take stats that use real numbers as opposed to ones where you compare an actual player to a fictional player.
  • sleeper
    Alright guys. I know a QB is more important than a LB. Can we at least find some common ground here? Does anyone really think Manziel or Bridgewater is worth the #4 pick? I want a good QB too, I just don't see anything that makes me go "Yeah that guy will be better than Brandon Weeden!".
  • se-alum
    sleeper;1584150 wrote:Alright guys. I know a QB is more important than a LB. Can we at least find some common ground here? Does anyone really think Manziel or Bridgewater is worth the #4 pick? I want a good QB too, I just don't see anything that makes me go "Yeah that guy will be better than Brandon Weeden!".
    My thoughts on the QB's.

    Bridgewater is the most ready right now.
    Bortles has the most upside.
    Manziel is boom or bust.

    Very confident that Bridgewater and Bortles are considerably better than Weeden ever was. Especially like that they come out of pro-style offenses. Not these one read scheme offenses. I worry that Manziel is a product of a "system", one that Case Keenum also put up insane stats in.
  • Ironman92
    Dr. KnOiTaLL;1583889 wrote:Don't know if I really like it as much as some of the others, but what do you guys think of this digital reworking of the Browns uniform?



    http://www.brobible.com/sports/article/32-nfl-teams-uniforms-redesigned/
    On the topic of uniforms I always tell my athletes....you only look stupid if you suck
  • DeyDurkie5
    sleeper;1584150 wrote:Alright guys. I know a QB is more important than a LB.
    Middle ground has been found.
  • Mulva
    sleeper;1584150 wrote:I just don't see anything that makes me go "Yeah that guy will be better than Brandon Weeden!".
    So you haven't seen Brandon Weeden?
  • DeyDurkie5
    Mulva;1584189 wrote:So you haven't seen Brandon Weeden?
    LOL exactly. Johnny manziel beat SEC competition on a weekly basis. How the fuck is he not considered a better prospect than Weeden??
  • Ironman92
    DeyDurkie5;1584191 wrote:LOL exactly. Johnny manziel beat SEC competition on a weekly basis. How the fuck is he not considered a better prospect than Weeden??
    Tebow did too.
  • Laley23
    Ironman92;1584193 wrote:Tebow did too.
    Not being a QB though lol