2014 Cleveland Browns Offseason Thread
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BR1986FB
You never played football. Impossible.sleeper;1644079 wrote:I'm going to be an NFL GM one day. Going to absolutely crush the fuck out of the Browns every year because their fans think drafting QBs in the first round every year = championship. -
SportsAndLady
Come on..BR1986FB;1644081 wrote:Again, where did I say I "agree" with their opinion? And where am I using a national analysts opinion as my own? It's pretty clear I said I want to see what Manziel can do before judging him. -
DeyDurkie5
It's crazy reallySportsAndLady;1644084 wrote:Come on.. -
jmog
Top 18 QBs last year by QBR and the round they were drafted in...sleeper;1644079 wrote:I'm going to be an NFL GM one day. Going to absolutely crush the fuck out of the Browns every year because their fans think drafting QBs in the first round every year = championship.
7 of the top 9 were 1st round picks and 11 out of the 18 were 1st round picks. Math, logic, and statistics says you take your franchise QB in the first round.P. Manning 1 P. Rivers 1 D. Brees 1 N. Foles 3 A. Rodgers 1 C. Kaepernick 2 J. Cutler 1 A. Luck 1 M. Ryan 1 T. Brady 6 T. Romo Und R. Wilson 3 C. Newton 1 A. Dalton 2 R. Fitzpatrick 7 B. Roethlisberger 1 M. Stafford 1 C. Palmer 1
Obviously you were using hyperbole with the "every year" thing so I won't discuss that. -
sleeper
And how many 1st round QBs fail? Convenient you left off that statistic. You can find it another thread; I did all the research and proved the point easily with zero counters. If you don't draft a QB #1 overall, the odds are very high that player will bust out.jmog;1644137 wrote:Top 18 QBs last year by QBR and the round they were drafted in...
7 of the top 9 were 1st round picks and 11 out of the 18 were 1st round picks. Math, logic, and statistics says you take your franchise QB in the first round.P. Manning 1 P. Rivers 1 D. Brees 1 N. Foles 3 A. Rodgers 1 C. Kaepernick 2 J. Cutler 1 A. Luck 1 M. Ryan 1 T. Brady 6 T. Romo Und R. Wilson 3 C. Newton 1 A. Dalton 2 R. Fitzpatrick 7 B. Roethlisberger 1 M. Stafford 1 C. Palmer 1
Obviously you were using hyperbole with the "every year" thing so I won't discuss that. -
lhslep134
BR if you post a national writer's opinion and don't say you disagree or that you're presenting without comment, the presumption is you're endorsing those comments. That is the point Durkie and others are trying to make. -
BR1986FB
Guess I wasn't clear that I didn't think they should use another 1st on a QB next year when they just got Manziel.lhslep134;1644157 wrote:BR if you post a national writer's opinion and don't say you disagree or that you're presenting without comment, the presumption is you're endorsing those comments. That is the point Durkie and others are trying to make. -
lhslep134
BR1986FB;1644158 wrote:Guess I wasn't clear that I didn't think they should use another 1st on a QB next year when they just got Manziel.
I mean I didn't necessarily interpret it that way (you saying we should take another QB), but that's also after reading this page before going back to last page. I can see where both of you guys are coming from. Just a minor miscommunication. -
jmog
Considering QB is the most highlighted position and there are only 1 on the field (not like LB or CB for instance) of course teams draft more QBs per need on the field than any other position so yes there would be a higher percentage of busts.sleeper;1644139 wrote:And how many 1st round QBs fail? Convenient you left off that statistic. You can find it another thread; I did all the research and proved the point easily with zero counters. If you don't draft a QB #1 overall, the odds are very high that player will bust out.
However, I notice you don't actually counter my statistics there, 7 of 9 and 11 of 18 top QBs from last year were first round picks.
I'm sorry, but for the most part, you aren't finding top tier "hidden talent" QBs in later rounds. Not with the fact that teams are so fast to draft a QB since it is a huge need in the NFL and it is more "sexy" than an OLineman.
Heck, Dallas was going to draft Manziel in the first and they have ZERO need for a QB since Romo is a top 10 QB year in and year out. Why? Because it was "sexy".
You do not find many talented QBs past round 2, it just doesn't happen. And please don't give me Brady/Romo, the exceptions don't change the rule.
Last year, there were 14 QBs taken in the draft, for 32 teams.
By comparison, there were 44 OLinemen taken. By shear numbers on the field (5 vs 1) there should be 70 OLinemen taken if there are 14 QBs (or only 8 QBs for 44 OL).
And last year it was about the same, 11 QBs vs 41 OL.
Why? Because QBs are taken and taken much earlier than they "should" compared to other positions. Teams will die reaching for a QB because of the current state and rules of the game they are the most important position on the field. For this reason if you wait, like you suggest, you are stuck with drafting a 7th round talent in the 4th round.
The opposite is true for RBs now, but that's a whole different story. -
sleeper
You certainly don't find talented QBs past #1 overall either. That is the exception not the rule.
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jmog
False again, but why let facts get in the way of your opinion?sleeper;1644200 wrote:You certainly don't find talented QBs past #1 overall either. That is the exception not the rule.
Of the top 10 on that list, only Peyton was #1 overall.
Of the whole list only 4, add in Stafford, Palmer, and Newton...and all 3 of them were basically the bottom of that list. -
Iliketurtles
jmog;1644217 wrote:False again, but why let facts get in the way of your opinion?
Of the top 10 on that list, only Peyton was #1 overall.
Of the whole list only 4, add in Stafford, Palmer, and Newton...and all 3 of them were basically the bottom of that list.
You forgot about Luck. But I mean your point is still valid. Only 2 in the top 10 went #1 overall and only 5 of the top 18. -
jmog
Yup, it was a quick scan and ran past Luck.Iliketurtles;1644223 wrote:You forgot about Luck. But I mean your point is still valid. Only 2 in the top 10 went #1 overall and only 5 of the top 18. -
sleeper
And only one is the reigning Super Bowl champion: 3rd round draft pick R. Wilson.
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jmog
I have already gone back and shown you the stats on super bowl champions being 1st round picks as well, I am not rehashing that for you since you refuse to see the facts.sleeper;1644227 wrote:And only one is the reigning Super Bowl champion: 3rd round draft pick R. Wilson. -
Lovejoy1984
Looks like Hoyer was given the starting nod.
Queue IQQY. -
IggyPride00
Of course he was.HighRoller74;1644232 wrote:Looks like Hoyer was given the starting nod.
Queue IQQY.
Pettine has a major league hard-on for the guy for some reason. I've been saying since day 1 that the competition was a sham because Pettine has a man crush on Hoyer.
The guy is looking more and more like Mangini with his general animus toward anything capable of scoring points or providing some semblance of excitement.
In his perfect world we'd be playing 9-6 games every week.
He shouldn't be allowed any say in anything offensive as he is clueless. Every team he's coached on in the NFL has been wildly offensively challenged. It's in his blood, and it's all he knows.
Shannahan should be running that side of the ball exclusively and telling Pettine to buzz off. -
jmog
Against the Redskins? Game 1? Got a link?HighRoller74;1644232 wrote:Looks like Hoyer was given the starting nod.
Queue IQQY. -
Lovejoy1984
Sorry, 2nd preseason game, should've clarified.jmog;1644242 wrote:Against the Redskins? Game 1? Got a link?
http://www.foxsports.com/ohio/story/brian-hoyer-named-starter-for-cleveland-browns-preseason-game-vs-washington-redskins-081414 -
vball10setJust received an email last night from a vendor informing me that I have 4 tix to the 10/12 game (and you know who that's against)....WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BR1986FBSo recently it was reported that the Gordon decision would likely come down by the end of business today. Now, Schefter is saying it could be another week? If Gordon gets the full year, old Goodell really is giving it to the Browns, minus the Vaseline, as Gordon won't be available until the 3rd preaseason game in 2015, unless that game falls on a Thursday which will mean the 4th game.
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like_that
I would expect it to go to court if that is the case. The nba sold the clippers quicker than the NFL can make a decision on somebody who fucking smoked pot.BR1986FB;1644355 wrote:So recently it was reported that the Gordon decision would likely come down by the end of business today. Now, Schefter is saying it could be another week? If Gordon gets the full year, old Goodell really is giving it to the Browns, minus the Vaseline, as Gordon won't be available until the 3rd preaseason game in 2015, unless that game falls on a Thursday which will mean the 4th game. -
SportsAndLady
But iggy told me 4:59 tonight!!!!!!BR1986FB;1644355 wrote:So recently it was reported that the Gordon decision would likely come down by the end of business today. Now, Schefter is saying it could be another week? If Gordon gets the full year, old Goodell really is giving it to the Browns, minus the Vaseline, as Gordon won't be available until the 3rd preaseason game in 2015, unless that game falls on a Thursday which will mean the 4th game. -
BR1986FB
LOL...I don't know about that 4:59 BS but several reports said it was supposed to be today. Yes, Gordon's a dumbass but if this drags another week, the Browns are getting hosed.SportsAndLady;1644366 wrote:But iggy told me 4:59 tonight!!!!!!
