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2014 Cleveland Browns Offseason Thread

  • like_that
    se-alum;1560821 wrote:I don't get drafting a QB, just for the sake of drafting a QB with the 1st pick. I mean, I definitely want Bridgewater or Bortles, but do you want the Browns to just go ahead and draft Manziel because he's a QB, instead of Clowney if he's available?
    I am not a fan of drafting a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. We did that with Weeden, and saw the outcome of that. I think any of the top guys can make Cleveland better. I am not down on Manziel like you or others who have stated so.

    Pick6;1560828 wrote:Clowney is the most overrated player in the draft.
    I disagree. When that guy shows up to play he is a monster. The problem is getting his ass into gear. He might be drafted, make his money, and not GAF anymore.
  • wes_mantooth
    I thought all 3 of the qbs did nothing but help their case the last few nights. Bortles may have been the shakiest early, but he rebounded and had a nice game.
  • SportsAndLady
    se-alum;1560821 wrote:I don't get drafting a QB, just for the sake of drafting a QB with the 1st pick. I mean, I definitely want Bridgewater or Bortles, but do you want the Browns to just go ahead and draft Manziel because he's a QB, instead of Clowney if he's available?
    You're not drafting for the sake of drafting. It's the most important position so you should use your best pick on the position. Who said anything about manziel? You draft who you think is the best available.

    And no fucking way do you draft clowney.

    Let me know how Detroit and that great d-line is doing in terms of wins. St Louis too.

    We already have 5 pro bowl players. Even if clowney is a pro bowler in his first year, is he really going to make that big of a difference?
  • se-alum
    like_that;1560832 wrote:I am not a fan of drafting a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. We did that with Weeden, and saw the outcome of that. I think any of the top guys can make Cleveland better. I am not down on Manziel like you or others who have stated so.



    I disagree. When that guy shows up to play he is a monster. The problem is getting his ass into gear. He might be drafted, make his money, and not GAF anymore.
    I just think Manziel is a boom or bust guy, and it would be a big gamble to take him that early.
  • like_that
    SportsAndLady;1560840 wrote:You're not drafting for the sake of drafting. It's the most important position so you should use your best pick on the position. Who said anything about manziel? You draft who you think is the best available.

    And no fucking way do you draft clowney.

    Let me know how Detroit and that great d-line is doing in terms of wins. St Louis too.

    We already have 5 pro bowl players. Even if clowney is a pro bowler in his first year, is he really going to make that big of a difference?
    Waiting for classless to respond to this...
  • se-alum
    SportsAndLady;1560840 wrote:You're not drafting for the sake of drafting. It's the most important position so you should use your best pick on the position. Who said anything about manziel? You draft who you think is the best available.

    And no fucking way do you draft clowney.

    Let me know how Detroit and that great d-line is doing in terms of wins. St Louis too.

    We already have 5 pro bowl players. Even if clowney is a pro bowler in his first year, is he really going to make that big of a difference?
    So even if you think you can get the same guy with your 2nd pick in the 1st, you take him with the first instead, just because he's a QB. Doesn't sound like an efficient way to run a draft.
  • wes_mantooth
    SportsAndLady;1560840 wrote:You're not drafting for the sake of drafting. It's the most important position so you should use your best pick on the position. Who said anything about manziel? You draft who you think is the best available.

    And no fucking way do you draft clowney.

    Let me know how Detroit and that great d-line is doing in terms of wins. St Louis too.

    We already have 5 pro bowl players. Even if clowney is a pro bowler in his first year, is he really going to make that big of a difference?
    Yeah, if he can get a some fucking pressure on the qb down the stretch of games....blah, god i hate my team. But i do agree that you take the qb if he is there...but if he isn't gotta get someone.
  • like_that
    se-alum;1560845 wrote:So even if you think you can get the same guy with your 2nd pick in the 1st, you take him with the first instead, just because he's a QB. Doesn't sound like an efficient way to run a draft.
    None of those guys will be available with the 26th pick. We are looking at drafting someone like Mettenberger if we wait that late, and I want NOTHING to do with him.
  • se-alum
    like_that;1560847 wrote:None of those guys will be available with the 26th pick. We are looking at drafting someone like Mettenberger if we wait that late, and I want NOTHING to do with him.
    I agree, but that's not the logic S&L was using. Basically he's saying that even if Bridgewater, Bortles, and Manziel go 1-2-3, you take QB #4, even if he's a 2nd or 3rd round guy. I think you should take the best player on your board at that point, it may be a QB, it may not.
  • SportsAndLady
    se-alum;1560850 wrote:I agree, but that's not the logic S&L was using. Basically he's saying that even if Bridgewater, Bortles, and Manziel go 1-2-3, you take QB #4, even if he's a 2nd or 3rd round guy. I think you should take the best player on your board at that point, it may be a QB, it may not.
    Where the fuck did I say draft a second round player 4th overall? A QB isn't going off the boards 1, 2, 3 so don't even bring up that unrealistic hypothetical.
  • like_that
    SportsAndLady;1560857 wrote:Where the fuck did I say draft a second round player 4th overall? A QB isn't going off the boards 1, 2, 3 so don't even bring up that unrealistic hypothetical.
    It could if the Rams trade their pick.
  • wes_mantooth
    like_that;1560862 wrote:It could if the Rams trade their pick.
    This is the scenario that actually worries me. I worry that the Browns would be the dumbasses that would give up a bunch because they are worried
  • like_that
    wes_mantooth;1560864 wrote:This is the scenario that actually worries me. I worry that the Browns would be the dumbasses that would give up a bunch because they are worried
    Well we don't have fat ass holmgren running things this time around, so hopefully they dont panic to trade up one spot to get a fucking RB.
  • Pick6
    I know I'll take some shit, but I'm starting to warm up to Manziel if Teddy isn't there, which is highly likely. His frame is a negative, but he's really good at avoiding contact. Can't think of him missing a game in two years. All of his numbers have improved over his Heisman season. Only thing that really worries me is his decision making. I seen Mike Evans bail him out too many times this season. But on the other hand he would be throwing to one of, if not the best young WRs in the NFL..

    It's a pretty risk pick, definitely boom or bust, but right now I'm leaning more towards boom.
  • Dr. KnOiTaLL
    wes_mantooth;1560864 wrote:This is the scenario that actually worries me. I worry that the Browns would be the dumbasses that would give up a bunch because they are worried
    "Hey, let's trade up two spots to make sure no one jumps us and then draft a POS."

    It pains me to relive many of the last few drafts... PLEASE don't screw this one up Breowns.
  • se-alum
    SportsAndLady;1560857 wrote:Where the fuck did I say draft a second round player 4th overall? A QB isn't going off the boards 1, 2, 3 so don't even bring up that unrealistic hypothetical.
    Yea, because there's no chance the Rams would trade their 2nd pick. Have they ever done anything so silly?
  • thavoice
    Dr. KnOiTaLL;1560878 wrote:"Hey, let's trade up two spots to make sure no one jumps us and then draft a POS."

    It pains me to relive many of the last few drafts... PLEASE don't screw this one up Breowns.
    Seems like the browns have traded up slightly a few times to get a guy that most expected to still be there. Is the browns braintrust that dumb to believe the used salesman shit that goes on during the draft? Oh, cleveland, you better swap picks with us to get ___ because someone else just contacted us and wants our pick and get the guy you want'.

    Manziel acted like, well, a college kid full of fame this past offseason. He performs on the field, in college. Not sure what the so called experts thing he can do at the next level.
  • like_that
    Pick6;1560870 wrote:I know I'll take some shit, but I'm starting to warm up to Manziel if Teddy isn't there, which is highly likely. His frame is a negative, but he's really good at avoiding contact. Can't think of him missing a game in two years. All of his numbers have improved over his Heisman season. Only thing that really worries me is his decision making. I seen Mike Evans bail him out too many times this season. But on the other hand he would be throwing to one of, if not the best young WRs in the NFL..

    It's a pretty risk pick, definitely boom or bust, but right now I'm leaning more towards boom.
    I like Manziel. Wouldn't QQ one bit. He would be the first QB the browns drafted that I didn't QQ about. He can be a bit wreckless, but I think that is coachable. Last year, everyone (in general, not just the posters here) was talking about how they wished Manziel could declare for the draft, and now all of a sudden people are down on him. The ESPN hype machine did it's typical hype job only to bring the person down. It never fails. Sprinkle in Manziel being a 20 year old college student during the off season and all of a sudden he wasn't worth a first round pick lol.
  • Midstate01
    Im slowly joining the manziel train as well.
  • Sonofanump
    The draft value chart says to move from #4 to #2 it is worth the #21 overall.
  • Ironman92
    Sonofanump;1560894 wrote:The draft value chart says to move from #4 to #2 it is worth the #21 overall.
    Lord that seems like too much.
  • like_that
    Sonofanump;1560894 wrote:The draft value chart says to move from #4 to #2 it is worth the #21 overall.
    Is that chart depedent on the position you are drafting for? I can't see how #4 to #2 is worth moving up for any position other than QB.
  • Sonofanump
    like_that;1560900 wrote:Is that chart depedent on the position you are drafting for? I can't see how #4 to #2 is worth moving up for any position other than QB.
    I am sure that it is inherent with the desire to move up, it's just the math for value.
  • Sonofanump
    Ironman92;1560897 wrote:Lord that seems like too much.
    I think that I would do it if I were the Browns. I'd much rather have Bortes than what would be left at #4 and they have plenty of picks later to get the WR/CB/S/OG/etc.
  • Ironman92
    Sonofanump;1560911 wrote:I think that I would do it if I were the Browns. I'd much rather have Bortes than what would be left at #4 and they have plenty of picks later to get the WR/CB/S/OG/etc.
    But Jacksonville would jump in that bidding and drive up Bortles price for that pick.....might not be much cheaper than going for Bridgewater at #1