2013/14 NBA season chatter - let the LBJ hating begin!
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lhslep134
robj55;1629544 wrote:Wade is coming off his most efficient year ever and actually played pretty damn well up until the finals. He just fell apart.
This year was so far from Wade's most efficient year it's laughable. He was more efficient, statistically, even last year. -
Azubuike24
His FG% was the highest of his career, but all of his numbers per 48 numbers were lows. Also, it's hard to justify a player by "efficiency" but then see that he missed almost 40% of the season and was absent in some of the biggest games. -
lhslep134
If a player misses a lot of time, the only way I can even form a coherent opinion about them is their per 48 numbers. And you correctly they were low, very low for him, but especially in the context of Robj's claim this was his most efficient year ever lol.Azubuike24;1629562 wrote:His FG% was the highest of his career, but all of his numbers per 48 numbers were lows. . -
robj55
Huh? I was talking in terms of shooting the ball.lhslep134;1629556 wrote:This year was so far from Wade's most efficient year it's laughable. He was more efficient, statistically, even last year. -
Azubuike24
Yeah, but again, his FGA went from 18.2 (his first year w/LeBron) to 14.1. His MPG were down and he missed 29 games. I mean, you always want higher percentages, but IMO, give me a guy who shoots 50% and does so taking 18 shots a game versus 54% and 14 shots per game.robj55;1629570 wrote:Huh? I was talking in terms of shooting the ball.
Since his first year with "the big three", Wade's numbers are on a steady decline. -
lhslep134
So his true shooting and effective field goal percentages are career highs, and every single other advanced metric is down, including his turnover percentage which skyrocketed.robj55;1629570 wrote:Huh? I was talking in terms of shooting the ball.
Do you see why I have a problem with you saying it's the most efficient year of his career? -
robj55
No problem with that but he also is averaging way less minutes and is taking less and less shots each year. People are overreacting acting like he can't play still, he just fell apart in the finals. Every team in the league would take a guy who averages 19,5 and 4 on 55% shooting from the field and only 14 shot attempts. Shame the injuries have hindered him.lhslep134;1629576 wrote:So his true shooting and effective field goal percentages are career highs, and every single other advanced metric is down, including his turnover percentage which skyrocketed.
Do you see why I have a problem with you saying it's the most efficient year of his career? -
robj55
His role has lessened also, which is a huge factor in it and well as injuries. Still a premier player in the league.Azubuike24;1629575 wrote:Yeah, but again, his FGA went from 18.2 (his first year w/LeBron) to 14.1. His MPG were down and he missed 29 games. I mean, you always want higher percentages, but IMO, give me a guy who shoots 50% and does so taking 18 shots a game versus 54% and 14 shots per game.
Since his first year with "the big three", Wade's numbers are on a steady decline. -
KB0938When I think of Premier I think like top 25( one of the OC's favorite NBA lists) and I dont think theres any way in hell Wade is up there in elite company anymore. Hes falling apart, literally
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Laley23
His role has decreased because he is no longer elite. It goes hand in hand. -
Automatik
Yeah, he's done. Premier player he is not. -
robj55
Dwayne wade isn't a top 25 player?KB0938;1629584 wrote:When I think of Premier I think like top 25( one of the OC's favorite NBA lists) and I dont think theres any way in hell Wade is up there in elite company anymore. Hes falling apart, literally -
robj55
19, 5 and 4 on 55% shooting on a team where he has to be unselfish and share the load with two other stars, not sure what else you could ask for honestly. People just can't get the finals performance out of their heads and it is clouding their judgement.Laley23;1629585 wrote:His role has decreased because he is no longer elite. It goes hand in hand. -
Laley23
He fell apart in the finals because he finally had to play every game. You arent elite if you have to sit on the bench 50% of the time.robj55;1629588 wrote:19, 5 and 4 on 55% shooting on a team where he has to be unselfish and share the load with two other stars, not sure what else you could ask for honestly. People just can't get the finals performance out of their heads and it is clouding their judgement.
And how unselfish was he when Lebron first came over? Not like this, because he wasnt this shot...times have changed. -
lhslep134
If Robj is right, then Wade would still finish in a solid position in win shares per 48, which helps account for the statistical noise that is him missing games due to injury and general breaking apart.
The result? He finished 54th, around vaunted luminaries such as Isaiah Thomas, Samuel Dalembert, and George Hill.
To be fair, this stat skews higher minute players towards the middle, but Wade doesn't fit that exception this year. -
KB0938
Id say this is a pretty common perception of him, yesrobj55;1629587 wrote:Dwayne wade isn't a top 25 player? -
robj55
I think it was a combination of things, he realized that for this team to do anything Lebron had to be the man. Also realized that Lebron is just a lot better than he is so it made sense to pass the torch. I mean if he just chucked it up 8 more times a game he would average 26-28 ppg and he would be James Harden or Carmelo Anthony, both of whom are considered elite players even though they play no defense.Laley23;1629591 wrote:He fell apart in the finals because he finally had to play every game. You arent elite if you have to sit on the bench 50% of the time.
And how unselfish was he when Lebron first came over? Not like this, because he wasnt this shot...times have changed. -
lhslep134
Well said.Laley23;1629591 wrote:He fell apart in the finals because he finally had to play every game. You arent elite if you have to sit on the bench 50% of the time. -
robj55
You're more into those numbers than I am, I'm just looking at production on the court based on when he was out there. Isn't per 36 considered a better gauge anyway?lhslep134;1629593 wrote:If Robj is right, then Wade would still finish in a solid position in win shares per 48, which helps account for the statistical noise that is him missing games due to injury and general breaking apart.
The result? He finished 54th, around vaunted luminaries such as Isaiah Thomas, Samuel Dalembert, and George Hill.
To be fair, this stat skews higher minute players towards the middle, but Wade doesn't fit that exception this year. -
robj55
No way, there is no way anyone can name me 25 better all around players than DWade right now, not even close.KB0938;1629594 wrote:Id say this is a pretty common perception of him, yes -
SportsAndLady
uhhhhh, no.robj55;1629587 wrote:Dwayne wade isn't a top 25 player? -
lhslep134
I think it was ONE THING. Lebron needed help in the finals against a team that made them work on both ends (unlike Indy), Wade COULDN'T deliver because he BROKE DOWN and IS NO LONGER ELITE.robj55;1629595 wrote:I think it was a combination of things, he realized that for this team to do anything Lebron had to be the man. Also realized that Lebron is just a lot better than he is so it made sense to pass the torch. I mean if he just chucked it up 8 more times a game he would average 26-28 ppg and he would be James Harden or Carmelo Anthony, both of whom are considered elite players even though they play no defense.
Any other conclusion is misguided. Your conclusion is even more than misguided, it's delusional. -
pmoney25
Wade not a top 25 player -
robj55
You always hop on with whatever argument is against mine lol good shitSportsAndLady;1629599 wrote:uhhhhh, no. -
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