2013/14 NBA season chatter - let the LBJ hating begin!

• sleeper

  

  Lebron opting out is no surprise. If both Bosh and Wade opt in, Lebron will not come back to the Heat. If they opt out, it could get interesting.
• sleeper

  

  Commander of Awesome;1629314 wrote:That's true, but he sure as shit isn't coming to Cleveland.

  I would say there's a decent chance he comes to Cleveland.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1629357 wrote:I would say there's a decent chance he comes to Cleveland.

  I'd put a bet down it doesn't happen.
• lhslep134

  

  He's a max player when Joe Johnson is getting the max lol.
  
  He's not quite a max level player, but he's better than Sleeper is giving him credit for. The truth is somewhere in between. If he leaves Miami, he'd probably revert back to more of a low post presence but now with added range of hitting a 3.
  
  He's much, much more than $10M per year player Sleeper. Derrick Favors and Larry Sanders just got $12M/year
• mucalum49

  

  pmoney25;1629345 wrote:Only an idiot would pay Bosh anywhere near max money.

  I can see Houston trying to bring Bosh in near max if they strike out with Melo. They'd have their big 3 of Howard, Bosh, Harden.
• sleeper

  

  lhslep134;1629359 wrote:He's a max player when Joe Johnson is getting the max lol.
  
  He's not quite a max level player, but he's better than Sleeper is giving him credit for. The truth is somewhere in between. If he leaves Miami, he'd probably revert back to more of a low post presence but now with added range of hitting a 3.
  
  He's much, much more than $10M per year player Sleeper. Derrick Favors and Larry Sanders just got $12M/year

  I think Miami would much rather have Favors or Sanders over Bosh. Did you watch the Heat play all year? Bosh is basically a 3-point shooter and an average at best 3-point shooter. He's fallen off the map.
• sleeper

  

  Commander of Awesome;1629358 wrote:I'd put a bet down it doesn't happen.

  Well of course the odds are he stays with Miami but its not like going back to Cleveland is so outlandish.
• sleeper

  

  mucalum49;1629361 wrote:I can see Houston trying to bring Bosh in near max if they strike out with Melo. They'd have their big 3 of Howard, Bosh, Harden.

  That's a pretty shitty Big 3.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1629363 wrote:Well of course the odds are he stays with Miami but its not like going back to Cleveland is so outlandish.

  I think they are. I'd bet he goes to Houston, clippers, Chicago, heat well before Cleveland. 0% chance
• lhslep134

  

  sleeper;1629362 wrote:Did you watch the Heat play all year?

  Did you? Or better question: did you comprehend what you were watching? If you did, you would know that the Heat purposely turned Bosh into that so they could operate their "inside" offense through Lebron and Wade, two of the best in the league at their positions at taking advantage of a rim protector being dragged to the 3 point line.
  
  It was a pure floor spacing move and isn't indicative at all of any sort of decline in Bosh's skills. That observation is so obvious that if you didn't see it, I can't help you.
• lhslep134

  

  And here sleeper, if you don't want to take my word for it, take his:
  
  http://grantland.com/features/chris-bosh-2014-miami-heat-career-scoring/
• sleeper

  

  lhslep134;1629366 wrote:Did you? Or better question: did you comprehend what you were watching? If you did, you would know that the Heat purposely turned Bosh into that so they could operate their "inside" offense through Lebron and Wade, two of the best in the league at their positions at taking advantage of a rim protector being dragged to the 3 point line.
  
  It was a pure floor spacing move and isn't indicative at all of any sort of decline in Bosh's skills. That observation is so obvious that if you didn't see it, I can't help you.

  So you did watch Bosh all year and think he's worth more than $10M? He's not a great rebounder or a great shooter. He has no post game and his defense is suspect at best. $10M a year was being generous.
• lhslep134

  

  sleeper;1629368 wrote:So you did watch Bosh all year and think he's worth more than $10M? He's not a great rebounder or a great shooter. He has no post game and his defense is suspect at best. $10M a year was being generous.

  Read the damn article Sleeper and come back and talk. You'll either be singing a different tune or a tune of ignorance.
• sleeper

  

  The reality is the only reason anyone even talks about Lebon leaving is that his other big 2 are complete trash of players who are overpaid. I'll take Lebron's opinion over some useless stats.
• lhslep134

  

  sleeper;1629370 wrote:The reality is the only reason anyone even talks about Lebon leaving is that his other big 2 are complete trash of players who are overpaid. I'll take Lebron's opinion over some useless stats.

  
  For someone who values logic as much as you claim to, it's certainly illogical to refuse to become more enlightened on a subject when legitimate, knowledgeable information is presented to you.
• Heretic

  

  lhslep134;1629371 wrote:For someone who values logic as much as you claim to, it's certainly illogical to refuse to become more enlightened on a subject when legitimate, knowledgeable information is presented to you.

  Or minor matters such as how his "logic" on this topic is that he seems to be using his opinion of Lebron's actions as Lebron's actual opinion. Which is kind of funny in the "why do people keep debating him????" sort of way.
• friendfromlowry

  Assuming Wiggins and Parker go 1 and 2, the teams after that will have a big decision to make about Embiid. Interesting that the 76ers may select him since they're still waiting on Noel to get healthy.
• robj55

  

  sleeper;1629362 wrote:I think Miami would much rather have Favors or Sanders over Bosh. Did you watch the Heat play all year? Bosh is basically a 3-point shooter and an average at best 3-point shooter. He's fallen off the map.

  Yes because that's his role with that team, but him back as a number one or two option and he gets 20 a night no problem.
• robj55

  

  sleeper;1629368 wrote:So you did watch Bosh all year and think he's worth more than $10M? He's not a great rebounder or a great shooter. He has no post game and his defense is suspect at best. $10M a year was being generous.

  Actually he is a great shooter for a big man. Shot 52% from the field and the large majority of his shots are jumpers outside the paint.
• lhslep134

  

  robj55;1629389 wrote:Yes because that's his role with that team, but him back as a number one or two option and he gets 20 a night no problem.

  robj55;1629390 wrote:Actually he is a great shooter for a big man. Shot 52% from the field and the large majority of his shots are jumpers outside the paint.

  You're wasting your time. Not only has Sleeper shown his ignorance for Bosh's development and current skills (as evidenced by his refusal to read the Kirksberry article) but he'll stubbornly continue to argue illogically with you on the issue.
  
  You don't need to defend Bosh when it comes to Sleeper, he refuses to help himself. Educated (or non-stubborn in Sleeper's case, because I know he's smart) basketball fans know Bosh is worth more than $10M/yr
• pmoney25

  

  I'm not sure you should be a max player when you probably are not top ten at your position.
• sleeper

  

  lhslep134;1629371 wrote:For someone who values logic as much as you claim to, it's certainly illogical to refuse to become more enlightened on a subject when legitimate, knowledgeable information is presented to you.

  I don't need to be enlightened as the facts speak for themselves. The Miami Heat have inappropriately allocated their cap space to over valued talents that were sub-optimal to winning a championship. When your production does not back up your salaries accounting for 50% of your budget, you are overvalued and a detriment to a more efficient use of your resources. Wade and Bosh need to take substantial pay cuts for the Heat to ever win another championship and that is the reality. $10 a year for Bosh is being generous.
• Dr. KnOiTaLL

  

  You guys are silly if you don't think Bosh could still drop 20 a game. Look at his career stats.
  
  In 7 seasons with Toronto, he averaged 20.2 ppg on 14.4 shot attempts and 7.4 FT attempts per game with 9.4 rebounds per game. In 4 seasons with Miami, he's averaged 17.3 ppg on 13.0 shot attempts and 4.6 FT attempts per game with 7.4 rebounds per game. He's not guilty of anything but accepting his role and adapting to the system. He took on a lesser (yet more efficient) role in order to win.
• sleeper

  

  robj55;1629390 wrote:Actually he is a great shooter for a big man. Shot 52% from the field and the large majority of his shots are jumpers outside the paint.

  You know who else is a great shooter? Tim Duncan. He makes about $10M a year and is a key piece to the current NBA champions. Are you sure this is something you want to pin your current illogical position to?
  
  Bosh is overpaid. This is not a debate, this is a lecture.
• robj55

  

  Dr. KnOiTaLL;1629405 wrote:You guys are silly if you don't think Bosh could still drop 20 a game. Look at his career stats.
  
  In 7 seasons with Toronto, he averaged 20.2 ppg on 14.4 shot attempts and 7.4 FT attempts per game with 9.4 rebounds per game. In 4 seasons with Miami, he's averaged 17.3 ppg on 13.0 shot attempts and 4.6 FT attempts per game with 7.4 rebounds per game. He's not guilty of anything but accepting his role and adapting to the system. He took on a lesser (yet more efficient) role in order to win.

  Thank you.