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Would a combined Reds and Indians team win the world series?

  • lhslep134
    Ironman92;1455765 wrote: No ****ing way Gardner has produced more defensive wins above his replacement.
    I'm not using that stat, you are. I'm using UZR and if I have to, DRS (defensive runs saved). Sorry that you're an old school guy who refuses to acknowledge that sometimes the numbers invalidate the eye test.

    You know who else was like that? Lionel Hollins, and now he's out of a job.
  • SportsAndLady
    lhslep134;1455763 wrote:I'm using Fangraphs. Go bitch to them if you're upset that WAR chooses Santana over Hanigan.
    Lol so you use their stuff for your argument, then don't defend it when it's called out?

    And you're in law school?
  • se-alum
    lhslep134;1455763 wrote:I'm using Fangraphs. Go bitch to them if you're upset that WAR chooses Santana over Hanigan.
    You still harping on that? I conceded that argument 20 posts ago.
  • Laley23
    What?

    Who said in their careers?
  • lhslep134
    SportsAndLady;1455770 wrote:Lol so you use their stuff for your argument, then don't defend it when it's called out?
    Fangraphs' reputation speaks for itself. I don't need to defend something that doesn't need defended. Obviously that went over your head, and I don't even mean that in the douchiest way possible, it really just went over your head.
  • SportsAndLady
    lhslep134;1455768 wrote:I'm not using that stat, you are. I'm using UZR and if I have to, DRS (defensive runs saved). Sorry that you're an old school guy who refuses to acknowledge that sometimes the numbers invalidate the eye test.

    You know who else was like that? Lionel Hollins, and now he's out of a job.
    I92 isn't an old school guy. Just because you're older than 35, doesn't mean you're old school.

    He watches a lot of baseball. I'd trust his valuation over some stat that says a guy with 4k career games has "won" more games than a future HOF candidate w/ 16k games.
  • CLEconomically Speaking
    Commander of Awesome;1455305 wrote:Also a few minor league prospects we have.
    lol
  • se-alum
    BTW, after Bailey's performance tonight, he's is dangerously close to knocking McAllister out of the rotation, and making an all Reds starting staff.
  • SportsAndLady
    lhslep134;1455774 wrote:Fangraphs' reputation speaks for itself. I don't need to defend something that doesn't need defended. Obviously that went over your head, and I don't even mean that in the douchiest way possible, it really just went over your head.
    It didn't at all. I92 and SE are tearing down your stupid WAR stat, and your argument is to bitch to Fangraph if they don't like it.

    Defend it..lets hear it. Why Lep thinks Torii hunter isn't as valuable in 16k games than Brett gardner at 4k. Should be good..
  • lhslep134
    SportsAndLady;1455785 wrote:
    Defend it..lets hear it. Why Lep thinks Torii hunter isn't as valuable in 16k games than Brett gardner at 4k. Should be good..
    Because he can't cover as much ground. The numbers speak for themselves, as well.

    What's your argument against what the numbers say?! I'm not the one who has to defend that advanced metrics rate Gardner as better, you're the one who has the burden of disproving the validity of the numbers.

    And if you feel differently, it means that you're saying someone who produces statistics has the burden of proving their validity instead of you having to disprove their validity, which, sorry, is f*cking stupid.
  • SportsAndLady
    lhslep134;1455787 wrote:Because he can't cover as much ground.

    What's your argument against what the numbers say?!
    Oh I'm just observing this (and enjoying it very much).

    I just had to chime in, couldn't resist.
  • se-alum
    lhslep134;1455787 wrote:Because he can't cover as much ground.

    What's your argument against what the numbers say?!
    UZR deals with "theoretical" runs. These advanced stats you love so much are theoretical more than they are actual. I'll take the hard number stats any day of the week. Call it old school if you want.
  • Azubuike24
    Ezequiel Carrera has a .500 batting average. He would have to be the starting LF. Just edging the immaculate Xavier Paul.
  • lhslep134
    SportsAndLady;1455790 wrote:Oh I'm just observing this (and enjoying it very much).

    I just had to chime in, couldn't resist.
    Well okay then I don't feel bad for calling you a POS troll on this thread, and I'd like to add a go f*ck yourself for good measure

    :D
  • lhslep134
    se-alum;1455794 wrote:Call it old school if you want.
    I don't need to call it that, that's what it is called.

    And I'm not disputing I92's baseball knowledge, but at the same time, these metrics take into account something that none of us see, and that's every single play of every single game a player plays. So while it might be "theoretical" it's still more relevant than the "eye test" alone
  • Terry_Tate
    Ben Zobrist just had his first career 5 hit game. WAR just said fuck all y'all.
  • Azubuike24
    Terry_Tate;1455806 wrote:Ben Zobrist just had his first career 5 hit game. WAR just said **** all y'all.
    I saw there was a fight too. How much does a KO raise your WAR?
  • Ironman92
    Can I come back for a moment?
  • SportsAndLady
    lhslep134;1455802 wrote:Well okay then I don't feel bad for calling you a POS troll on this thread, and I'd like to add a go f*ck yourself for good measure

    :D

    Lol that's fine. Still don't agree with your saber metrics. Only stat nerds would agree Ben Zobrist is an unstoppable force.
  • Laley23
    I still want to know what stat says Gardner has won more games than Hunter or Beltran?

    Cause, if that is the case, fuck that stat.
  • Terry_Tate
    Brett Gardner had a higher WAR than Joey Votto in 2010. Whether you're a WAR fan or not that gets a big fat LOL.
  • lhslep134
    SportsAndLady;1455811 wrote:Lol that's fine. Still don't agree with your saber metrics. Only stat nerds would agree Ben Zobrist is an unstoppable force.
    Haha he's not, he's just a utilityman with everyday starter's skills which makes him stupidly valuable.

    I fight for advanced metrics because the eye test doesn't do it all. I won't sit here and say that they're the end all be all, but they're useful in situations where there is a large discrepancy (ie between Hanigan and Santana offensively and defensively) to say that one player is definitely better than the other.

    But this is a circular argument so I'm done with it because I92/SE and I stand on different sides and have dug our feet in the sand. It was an enjoyable back and forth.
  • lhslep134
    Terry_Tate;1455815 wrote:Brett Gardner had a higher WAR than Joey Votto in 2010. Whether you're a WAR fan or not that gets a big fat LOL.
    No he didn't

    Joey Votto 2010: 6.8

    Brett Gardner 2010: 6.0

    Gardner has never had a higher WAR than Votto.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4314&position=1B
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  • se-alum
    I just think Edwin Starr said it best....
    War, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Uh-huh
    War, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again, y'all
  • Azubuike24
    The Indians just acquired John McDonald again. Does he start over BP? In 2000, McDonald hit .444.