Would a combined Reds and Indians team win the world series?

• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1455580 wrote:But are the saber metrics there to support your argument!?!?!?!!?

  You're a fucking dick dude. Nowhere in ihselp's response was he even slightly pwning you.
• se-alum

  

  like_that;1455579 wrote:Have them play in the AL where there isn't a free out every 9th batter and see if they have better numbers. LOL, keep on being butt hurt though.

  Here we go, now that the numbers back up the argument, we're gonna talk about the difference in leagues.
• Terry_Tate

  

  se-alum;1455576 wrote:Nope, just Bailey. Cueto, Latos, Leake, and Arroyo all have better numbers than any of the Indians starters.

  You'd seriously take Leake and Arroyo over Bailey? That honestly shocks me.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Terry_Tate;1455588 wrote:You'd seriously take Leake and Arroyo over Bailey? That honestly shocks me.

  Mindgames with opposing teams.
  
  
  
• like_that

  

  se-alum;1455586 wrote:
  Here we go, now that the numbers don't back up the argument, we're gonna talk about the difference in leagues.

  Uhhh yeah, when you are going to compare stats of pitchers, one would think numbers should be skewed a bit in the NL's favor since they have a free out every 9th batter. Don't let logic get in the way of your hurt butt though.
• se-alum

  

  Terry_Tate;1455588 wrote:You'd seriously take Leake and Arroyo over Bailey? That honestly shocks me.

  You gotta go strictly by the numbers, and only this years numbers.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Commander of Awesome;1455585 wrote:You're a fucking dick dude. Nowhere in ihselp's response was he even slightly pwning you.

  OMG DUDE THAT WAS SO CLEVER
• Rotinaj

  

  like_that;1455590 wrote:Uhhh yeah, when you are going to compare stats of pitchers, one would think numbers should be skewed a bit in the NL's favor since they have a free out every 9th batter. Don't let logic get in the way of your hurt butt though.

  Do you think the Indians have a better pitching staff???
• royal_k

  

  Rotinaj;1455595 wrote:Do you think the Indians have a better pitching staff???

  Not at all. But not including Masterson id a complete fail.
• royal_k

  

  And there is a big difference in facing a pitcher and facing a DH.
• Rotinaj

  

  7 of the top 12 ERAs are from the AL. I agree theres a difference but if it were a big one those numbers would be different.
• Laley23

  

  You are all idiots. Seriosuly. How has no one pointed out that Brandon Phillips is starting on this fictional team over Jason Kipnis!!!!
  
  MAJORFUCKINGFAIL!
• Ironman92

  

  This catcher talk is all moot if Dusty is your manager.
  
  I wouldn't have trouble with any of the catchers. Hanigan was one of our MVP's last year IMO....but not doing it this year. I love Santana's bat and on DH day he's the guy....but Gomes gets his fair share of starts. Teams don't really run much so Hanigan's ability doesn't get used much....and Hanigan's might be the best receiving catcher in the league.
  
  Gomes and Santana get my starts....but Hanigan goes in if Gomes struggles with the bat.
• Heretic

  

  Terry_Tate;1455495 wrote:All of this just reminds me of the Jason Kipnis > Brandon Phillips talk, haha.

  I remember that and was thinking the same thing.
• Laley23

  

  se-alum;1455591 wrote:You gotta go strictly by the numbers, and only this years numbers.

  whoa whoa whoa. I skimmed through this REALLY fast, so I apologize in advance if I am mixing up posters/arguments.
  
  But why are we going on this years numbers for pitchers, but we are going with Hannigans track record and the lack of one for Gomes as well as Santanas relatively disappointing career numbers?
• Rotinaj

  

  Ironman92;1455609 wrote:This catcher talk is all moot if Dusty is your manager.
  
  I wouldn't have trouble with any of the catchers. Hanigan was one of our MVP's last year IMO....but not doing it this year. I love Santana's bat and on DH day he's the guy....but Gomes gets his fair share of starts. Teams don't really run much so Hanigan's ability doesn't get used much....and Hanigan's might be the best receiving catcher in the league.
  
  Gomes and Santana get my starts....but Hanigan goes in if Gomes struggles with the bat.

  Ironman'd
• se-alum

  

  Laley23;1455611 wrote:whoa whoa whoa. I skimmed through this REALLY fast, so I apologize in advance if I am mixing up posters/arguments.
  
  But why are we going on this years numbers for pitchers, but we are going with Hannigans track record and the lack of one for Gomes as well as Santanas relatively disappointing career numbers?

  My argument on the catchers was that Hanigan is a heck of a catcher and his career numbers prove it, but lhs wanted to look at this year only, so I conceded the catcher argument, and looked at this years numbers only for the pitchers.
• Laley23

  

  se-alum;1455613 wrote:My argument on the catchers was that Hanigan is a heck of a catcher and his career numbers prove it, but lhs wanted to look at this year only, so I conceded the catcher argument, and looked at this years numbers only for the pitchers.

  Ooooooh ok. Lol. I was so confused.
• Azubuike24

  

  Fun times. Almost 5 pages of discussion about a video game team. I guess that's what happens when both teams can't win their own damn games.
  
  Lost on the WHOLE THING is the fact that the OP had Xavier Paul starting. Xavier Paul. I'd rank him about 8th overall in the OF if you combined the teams, and he was the starting LF.
  
  I can't get past that to argue any other points...
• Terry_Tate

  

  Azubuike24;1455620 wrote:Fun times. Almost 5 pages of discussion about a video game team. I guess that's what happens when both teams can't win their own damn games.
  
  Lost on the WHOLE THING is the fact that the OP had Xavier Paul starting. Xavier Paul. I'd rank him about 8th overall in the OF if you combined the teams, and he was the starting LF.
  
  I can't get past that to argue any other points...

  
  Believe me, that was the first thing I noticed, Lol. Over Bourne nonetheless. Bruce, Choo, and Bourne is a niiiice outfield.
• se-alum

  

  Azubuike24;1455620 wrote:Fun times. Almost 5 pages of discussion about a video game team. I guess that's what happens when both teams can't win their own damn games.
  
  Lost on the WHOLE THING is the fact that the OP had Xavier Paul starting. Xavier Paul. I'd rank him about 8th overall in the OF if you combined the teams, and he was the starting LF.
  
  I can't get past that to argue any other points...

  I'm sure that's the first thing everyone noticed, but it was so ludicrous it wasn't worth talking about.
• Laley23

  

  FTR:
  
  1. Bourn CF
  2. Choo RF
  3. Votto 1B
  4. Phillips 2B
  5. Santana C
  6. Swisher DH
  7. Cabrera SS
  8. Reynolds 3B
  9. Brantley LF
  
  BENCH: Bruce, Aviles, Hannigan, Frazier
  
  SP Cueto
  SP Masterson
  SP Bailey
  SP Jiminez
  SP Latos
  
  RP Kazmir
  RP Pestano
  RP Broxton
  RP Smith
  RP Marshall
  RP Allen
  CL Chapman
  
  Struggled with Brantley/Bruce and Allen (in the pen) vs. another bench player. Since I went the extra BP guy, I went with Aviles who can play OF and 3 IF positions on the bench. Brantley is starting over Bruce because I have him in the 9 hole. If I was forced to shake the line-up around so he was middle of the line-up, Bruce might get the start.
• se-alum

  

  Laley23;1455625 wrote:FTR:
  
  1. Bourn CF
  2. Choo RF
  3. Votto 1B
  4. Phillips 2B
  5. Santana C
  6. Swisher DH
  7. Cabrera SS
  8. Reynolds 3B
  9. Brantley LF
  
  BENCH: Bruce, Aviles, Hannigan, Frazier
  
  SP Cueto
  SP Masterson
  SP Bailey
  SP Jiminez
  SP Latos
  
  RP Kazmir
  RP Pestano
  RP Broxton
  RP Smith
  RP Marshall
  RP Allen
  CL Chapman
  
  Struggled with Brantley/Bruce and Allen (in the pen) vs. another bench player. Since I went the extra BP guy, I went with Aviles who can play OF and 3 IF positions on the bench. Brantley is starting over Bruce because I have him in the 9 hole. If I was forced to shake the line-up around so he was middle of the line-up, Bruce might get the start.

  I think Bruce is too much of a run producer to not be in the everyday lineup. Also, if Aviles can play 3rd, I would leave Frazier off, and maybe add Cozart.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Bruce not in the lineup? Lol come on
• Rotinaj

  

  If you aren't going to start Bruce in the OF hes a 100000% better option at DH than Swisher.