Jason Collins (Wizards) first active, major-sport athlete to come out

• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1436705 wrote:
  
  LOL.....

  lo, someone apparently forgot how it was the media who built up Tebow as a larger-than-life superhero through his college career due to the combination of being a great player and a great guy.
• Con_Alma

  Hb31187;1437315 wrote:Because you follow it without questioning it at all, even when its blatantly obvious that what you're reading cannot possibly be true.
  
  A man living in the belly of a Whale, A senior citizen building a giant arc and rounding up animals 2 by 2 ect ect.
  
  Basically the whole movie "Religulous" i could quote and would basically be my exact feelings on organized religion and how it contradicts itself over and over and just flat out doesnt make sense. But this is the pro sports forum so ill drop it

  How do you know what I have question or not throughout my lifetime.
  
  You feelings about religion and the contradictions you have crystallized has nothing to do with confirming what I have and have not investigated and questioned and certainly doesn't confirm what believers at large have done.
• Hb31187

  

  Con_Alma;1437373 wrote:How do you know what I have question or not throughout my lifetime.
  
  You feelings about religion and the contradictions you have crystallized has nothing to do with confirming what I have and have not investigated and questioned and certainly doesn't confirm what believers at large have done.

  Oh please enlighten me as to what believers have done. All with help from God im sure
  
  
  
  Btw how have you investigated those instances and not called bs ? lol
• Sonofanump

  BoatShoes;1437271 wrote:Would be like....
  
  
  
  (Tebow Fan FWIW and I'm not really sure the media was really like "keep it to yourself" when they enamored with him long after he was truly great as he was in CFB).

  I am waiting for a professional athlete to come out and say what size rack he likes on his woman and if he prefers her to shave her landing strip or not.
• Con_Alma

  Hb31187;1437378 wrote:Oh please enlighten me as to what believers have done. All with help from God im sure
  
  
  
  Btw how have you investigated those instances and not called bs ? lol

  By you asking what believers have done is indication in it's own right that you are not aware of what others have questioned. Is it not?
  
  To answer your quesion directly as it relates to me, I have questioned the presence of the Holy Spirit through Word saturating the bread and wine making the ability to commune or become one with God during the sacrament of Holy Communion. That's just one example that lends to proof that people of faith don't question the teachings and struggle with their own belief system all the time....seeking proof and justification.
• Gblock

  Sonofanump;1437382 wrote:I am waiting for a professional athlete to come out and say what size rack he likes on his woman and if he prefers her to shave her landing strip or not.

  you should follow donell dockett on twitter
  
  i believe he likes his women w bad credit, scar tissue and bullet wounds lol
• Hb31187

  

  Con_Alma;1437383 wrote:By you asking what believers have done is indication in it's own right that you are not aware of what others have questioned. Is it not?
  
  To answer your quesion directly as it relates to me, I have questioned the presence of the Holy Spirit through Word saturating the bread and wine making the ability to commune or become one with God during the sacrament of Holy Communion. That's just one example that lends to proof that people of faith don't question the teachings and struggle with their own belief system all the time....seeking proof and justification.

  So basically people of faith dont question the teaching? Because it might lead to proof that the teaching is false or misleading, so its better to just not question it and again...blindly believe in it. If thats not cult status, I dont know what is. Its baffling
• Con_Alma

  Hb31187;1437386 wrote:So basically people of faith dont question the teaching? Because it might lead to proof that the teaching is false or misleading, so its better to just not question it and again...blindly believe in it. If thats not cult status, I dont know what is. Its baffling

  I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I offered an example of the fact that people do question the teachings.
• Hb31187

  

  Con_Alma;1437393 wrote:I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I offered an example of the fact that people do question the teachings.

  So if you question the examples given in this thread. And old jew splitting the sea, a man living in a whale, and a senior citizen building an arc......how do you come the the conclusion that things like this happened ? Or do you selectively believe bits and pieces of whats told.
  
  And eating some bread and drinking wine allows you to become one with an all powerful all knowing and all seeing being.....I dont know how I didnt catch on to all the sense this makes before
• Sonofanump

  Gblock;1437385 wrote:you should follow donell dockett on twitter
  
  i believe he likes his women w bad credit, scar tissue and bullet wounds lol

  Why does the media care what Donell Dockett likes, what Vince Worfolk is attracted to, if Jason Collins like ***** or dick.
  
  Should we (collective) think no more or less of someone as a person because of it, too bad this has to be an issue for the media.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Con_Alma;1437383 wrote:By you asking what believers have done is indication in it's own right that you are not aware of what others have questioned. Is it not?
  
  To answer your quesion directly as it relates to me, I have questioned the presence of the Holy Spirit through Word saturating the bread and wine making the ability to commune or become one with God during the sacrament of Holy Communion. That's just one example that lends to proof that people of faith don't question the teachings and struggle with their own belief system all the time....seeking proof and justification.

  
  Shocker here; Con going off about religion.
• Hb31187

  

  SportsAndLady;1437401 wrote:Shocker here; Con going off about religion.

  Yeah Im pretty much to blame for that one lol. Cant help it
• Con_Alma

  Hb31187;1437394 wrote:So if you question the examples given in this thread. And old jew splitting the sea, a man living in a whale, and a senior citizen building an arc......how do you come the the conclusion that things like this happened ? Or do you selectively believe bits and pieces of whats told.
  
  And eating some bread and drinking wine allows you to become one with an all powerful all knowing and all seeing being.....I dont know how I didnt catch on to all the sense this makes before

  Some people have indeed come to the conclusion that divine intervention canhappen and has happened. The point is that people do question teachings and their own faith. I am not suggesting that you believe it makes sense or that you shouldn't think it's all hogwash.
  
  I am stating that when you make a comment that people of faith don't question their relgion's teaching that you are simply wrong.
• Hb31187

  

  Con_Alma;1437406 wrote:Some people have indeed come to the conclusion that divine intervention canhappen and has happened. The point is that people do question teachings and their own faith. I am not suggesting that you believe it makes sense or that you shouldn't think it's all hogwash.
  
  I am stating that when you make a comment that people of faith don't question their relgion's teaching that you are simply wrong.

  Ok so im wrong that you and others dont question it.
  
  The fact that people actually question it.....and still come to the conclusion that they should follow the "teachings" that they question because they make no sense is even worse than just not questioning it at all lol
• Con_Alma

  Hb31187;1437408 wrote:Ok so im wrong that you and others dont question it.
  
  The fact that people actually question it.....and still come to the conclusion that they should follow the "teachings" that they question because it makes no sense is even worse than just not questioning it at all lol

  I can see how you would deem it as "worse". That's not surprising to me. I'm glad, however, that we were able to clarify that the teachings are indeed questioned.
• SportsAndLady

  

  We need a religion forum.
• OSH

  

  Hb31187;1437297 wrote:I almost refuse to believe that people blindly follow religion to this degree, its truly amazing. I understand when you're a young kid who you can easily make an impression on...But once you're of age to think for yourself, how can you possibly believe some of this crap? smh

  Nothing like a broad sweeping statement with no merit.
  

  Hb31187;1437315 wrote:Because you follow it without questioning it at all, even when its blatantly obvious that what you're reading cannot possibly be true.
  
  A man living in the belly of a Whale, A senior citizen building a giant arc and rounding up animals 2 by 2 ect ect.
  
  Basically the whole movie "Religulous" i could quote and would basically be my exact feelings on organized religion and how it contradicts itself over and over and just flat out doesnt make sense. But this is the pro sports forum so ill drop it

  You bring up Religulous as a credible source?
  
  That doesn't make sense.
• Heretic

  

  OSH;1437433 wrote:You bring up Religulous as a credible source?
  
  That doesn't make sense.

  Can't be any less logical than people trying to say that the bible is factual...by quoting the bible.
• Hb31187

  

  OSH;1437433 wrote:Nothing like a broad sweeping statement with no merit.
  
  
  
  You bring up Religulous as a credible source?
  
  That doesn't make sense.

  I said itd sum up my feelings on organized religion, and how it constantly contradicts itself. And if you've seen it.....theres nothing fabricated or made up about what he quotes from the bible or directly from organized religion to prove such
• Hb31187

  

  Heretic;1437439 wrote:Can't be any less logical than people trying to say that the bible is factual...by quoting the bible.

  Lol reps
• OSH

  

  Heretic;1437439 wrote:Can't be any less logical than people trying to say that the bible is factual...by quoting the bible.

  The problem with a lot of people who don't want to believe the Bible -- it was written for historical purposes too. Why shouldn't it be used for historical facts? If it is an accurate historical book, then quoting the Bible can be true.
  
  Not even mentioning the theology behind it, just the historical perspective.
  

  Hb31187;1437449 wrote:I said itd sum up my feelings on organized religion, and how it constantly contradicts itself. And if you've seen it.....theres nothing fabricated or made up about what he quotes from the bible or directly from organized religion to prove such

  I've seen it. I was hugely disappointed in the whole thing.
• Hb31187

  

  OSH;1437456 wrote:The problem with a lot of people who don't want to believe the Bible -- it was written for historical purposes too. Why shouldn't it be used for historical facts? If it is an accurate historical book, then quoting the Bible can be true.
  
  Not even mentioning the theology behind it, just the historical perspective.
  
  
  
  I've seen it. I was hugely disappointed in the whole thing.

  Are you religious I take it? Obviously you were disappointed in the whole thing. It poked holes in the "logic"( I guess you can call it that) that followers of organized religion seem to utilize.... over and over again.
  
  
  
  And its hard to use a book written by man as factual(any part of it)....when in the same book it has some of the obvious instances of BS that were brought up in this thread earlier.
• OSH

  

  Hb31187;1437457 wrote:Are you religious I take it? Obviously you were disappointed in the whole thing. It poked holes in the "logic"( I guess you can call it that) that followers of organized religion seem to utilize.... over and over again.
  
  And its hard to use a book written by man as factual(any part of it)....when in the same book it has some of the obvious instances of BS that were brought up in this thread earlier.

  I know exactly how stupid organized religion is. You don't have to tell me that. Nor, do I need Bill Maher to tell me that. But, his whole ordeal was terrible. There were so many other ways he could've showed how stupid things have gotten. He didn't even begin to show it.
  
  You could go into any "organized religious gathering" and ask someone to give you some examples that are MUCH better than Maher's lame "documentary."
• Heretic

  

  OSH;1437456 wrote:The problem with a lot of people who don't want to believe the Bible -- it was written for historical purposes too. Why shouldn't it be used for historical facts? If it is an accurate historical book, then quoting the Bible can be true.
  
  Not even mentioning the theology behind it, just the historical perspective.

  I agree with that aspect of things -- it's just a matter of divorcing the "god has his finger on EVERYTHING" parts of the Old Testament where entire books basically were saying that "when kings came along that worshipped our god, everything was great; when kings got into the idol-worship, it all went to shit"; where you could, at best, say it's history modified by personal bias.
  
  Back in college, I took an early christianity history course where one of the books we used was by a Roman christian of the early christianity time period. It was a history book (much like the bible is at points), but was extremely biased due to the beliefs of the writer. He loved certain Roman emperors who are generally classified as weak and pitiful because they were open to the new religion and didn't persecute them. Meanwhile, ones who are generally considered the strongest and greatest in the empire's history were completely vilified for the simple reason that they loved the old gods and wanted to cull the belief in a new one.
  
  Of course, you could say similar things about any history book -- that they're written with a particular agenda in mind and have an inherent bias. In the case of history books with a religious theme, that bias is towards illustrating how the god of choice has a hand in everything and its side is the side of good. Which leads to the challenge of determining what is accurate history and what is "take with a grain (or shaker) of salt" history.
• lhslep134

  

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