Cleveland Browns Draft Talk 2010
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Al CaponeAnother bad hire for the browns.
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DaBrowns41
Only problem with Canfield is that he's a lefty. It'd basically make Joe Thomas worthless because he's not a mauler, and God forbid we let St. Clair protect the blind side.BCSbunk wrote:
Dan Lefevour can be had in the 4th or 5th round and that is where I would invest one of my picks in that position. I like Sean Canfield but I think he is going to go early 2nd rnd and I would not want to take a QB that early with the defensive talent out there like Da Browns has been saying.icskins wrote: If they are going to draft a QB, I am not saying they should, what about the guy from Central Michigan? He should be a later first day pick I think. He throws really well and can move around good. -
BCSbunk
I am skeptical that he will separate himself from Spikes, Norwood, Weatherspoon. Berry is kind of in his own little world at safety. Taylor Mays but then it is a large drop off.DaBrowns41 wrote:
Well, my girlfriend being a HUGE Bama fan, has made me watch even more Bama games, and I've watched all but 2 this year, and all but 3 last season. He's the real deal. I think you'll be impressed by his combine numbers, and you'll see him separate himself from the rest of the talent at LB.BCSbunk wrote:
I want to see the combine before taking McClain over Berry. After watching them this season McClain is not that much better than other LB's as far as value goes. Berry though is a top 3 talent IMO.DaBrowns41 wrote:
Bro, I hope so too, but I could see us taking McClain over Berry. Both are special players.devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.
To be honest, the only way we can be disappointed with this draft is if we reach for Spiller in the top 5, or take a QB.
If we get any of the defensive studs, we'll all be rejoicing.
Yikes Spiller or a Qb would be very disappointing at the 4 or 5 slot.
He's a stud, and I believe he's on the same level as Berry.
Do you really think McClain is that much better than Weatherspoon Spikes Norwood etc?
I think Norwood and McClain are pretty close and I like value in a draft as well as to meet needs. Well it should be interesting come combine time. -
SportsAndLady
Well if he's throwing the damn ball 30+ times a game and isn't coming out for an injury, I'm gonna conclude he wasn't injured!IggyPride00 wrote:
Yeah, I guess that torn biceps he had surgery to repair in the offseason must have happened after the season was over. You're right though, he clearly wasn't injured.Right..he was injured..yet the last 7 games of the season he threw the ball 30+ times...right..injured..
Seems like a cop out to me...oh I struggled in the 2nd half, but yeah it's cuase I was injured, yeah that's it! I mean I still threw the ball 35 times a game, but damn my bicep killed! -
Mulva
I doubt Canfield goes before round 3. Lefevour might end up being picked before him.BCSbunk wrote: Dan Lefevour can be had in the 4th or 5th round and that is where I would invest one of my picks in that position. I like Sean Canfield but I think he is going to go early 2nd rnd and I would not want to take a QB that early with the defensive talent out there like Da Browns has been saying. -
Writerbuckeye
Lefevour is a "system" QB if ever there was one. I don't see him going early without someone reaching really bad. Canfield is intriguing, but not before the 4th round.
Otherwise, I don't see a QB in this draft worth risking a high draft choice on. I simply don't think emu boy or Bradford have "it" and would be too big a risk when there are too many good to great defensive players to be had at the top of this draft.
I hope the Browns sign a veteran QB in free agency and keep Quinn. If they can find a project Holmgren wants to try and groom in a later round, then fine. Otherwise, try to build the rest of the team now and hope you can use defense/running game to manage a game and get some wins.
Holmgren is a pretty good judge of QBs and has had success in this area. I would guess he'll find a way to get a QB he likes if he decides it isn't Quinn (likely). -
DaBrowns41
McClain is top 10-top 5 talent.BCSbunk wrote:
I am skeptical that he will separate himself from Spikes, Norwood, Weatherspoon. Berry is kind of in his own little world at safety. Taylor Mays but then it is a large drop off.DaBrowns41 wrote:
Well, my girlfriend being a HUGE Bama fan, has made me watch even more Bama games, and I've watched all but 2 this year, and all but 3 last season. He's the real deal. I think you'll be impressed by his combine numbers, and you'll see him separate himself from the rest of the talent at LB.BCSbunk wrote:
I want to see the combine before taking McClain over Berry. After watching them this season McClain is not that much better than other LB's as far as value goes. Berry though is a top 3 talent IMO.DaBrowns41 wrote:
Bro, I hope so too, but I could see us taking McClain over Berry. Both are special players.devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.
To be honest, the only way we can be disappointed with this draft is if we reach for Spiller in the top 5, or take a QB.
If we get any of the defensive studs, we'll all be rejoicing.
Yikes Spiller or a Qb would be very disappointing at the 4 or 5 slot.
He's a stud, and I believe he's on the same level as Berry.
Do you really think McClain is that much better than Weatherspoon Spikes Norwood etc?
I think Norwood and McClain are pretty close and I like value in a draft as well as to meet needs. Well it should be interesting come combine time.
Spikes has the talent to be a 15-20 guy, but I think he slides to the bottom of the first, top of the 2nd.
Norwood would be an OLB for us.
Also don't forget that McClain is the SILB for a 34 defense already that features a dominant NT. He rakes in tackles and gets pressure on the QB, while also does very well in coverage.
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devil1197McClain separates himself from the rest in the intelligence department.
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pkebkerIt seems the majority of fans on this site agree the Browns need to draft Defense first. Think the Browns will actually do this?
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jpake1
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sleeper
I still think we are going to trade down in this year's draft again simply because there are so many holes and one player isn't going to make that big of an impact. This is a very deep draft, and good talent can be had in the later rounds so might as well stock pile as many picks as possible and hope some of them pan out. -
DaBrowns41pkebker wrote: It seems the majority of fans on this site agree the Browns need to draft Defense first. Think the Browns will actually do this?
I'm 90% sure we'll go defense in the first and 70% sure we'll go defense in the 2nd, depending on who's there.
It's going to take a long time for these young guys to learn the WCO, so I wouldn't be surprised if we went and shored up the defense in this loaded defensive draft and established a defense that can keep us in the games. -
slingshot4everSuh won't be available when Cleveland makes their pick. Take Berry or trade down. I don't think McClain is worth top 5 $$$.
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DaBrowns41Although, in the 2nd, I wouldn't be surprised if we go for Golden Tate or Brandon Lafell. For the WCO we need physical receivers who can make catches in traffic. We can't rely on Mo Mass to go for the ball in one on one coverage, let alone over the middle.
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KnightRyder
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man. -
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pkebker
I could see Spiller used like a Reggie Bush in our system...but he's a first rounder and that would be a dumb first round pick for us. Defense, defense, defense....KnightRyder wrote:
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man. -
devil1197Spiller should not be mentioned with Cleveland and their Top 5 pick. Sorry, he isn't worth that to us right now.
IF, IF Cleveland could package picks/cash etc to get into the 1st round a 2nd time and he is available then I might take him but I still would be thinking defense. -
KnightRyder
our system? what is our system? whatever it is , its probably in for a major overhaul with holmgrem now in command. and if anything can be said for holmgrem he likes to have a high powered offense so dont be surprised if they go offense with the 1st pick.pkebker wrote:
I could see Spiller used like a Reggie Bush in our system...but he's a first rounder and that would be a dumb first round pick for us. Defense, defense, defense....KnightRyder wrote:
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man. -
charliehustle14
Well hopefully Holmgren is much smarter than you and realizes that one first rounder isn't going to make much of a difference on that offense.KnightRyder wrote:
our system? what is our system? whatever it is , its probably in for a major overhaul with holmgrem now in command. and if anything can be said for holmgrem he likes to have a high powered offense so dont be surprised if they go offense with the 1st pick.pkebker wrote:
I could see Spiller used like a Reggie Bush in our system...but he's a first rounder and that would be a dumb first round pick for us. Defense, defense, defense....KnightRyder wrote:
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man. -
Al CaponeIf Walrus and the clowns dont build a super bowl team with this draft something is wrong.
Oh, I forgot. We are talking about Cleveland. They will screw something up. -
KnightRyder
no shit einstien, do you think he is only gonna use one pick on the offense? i highly doubt it. but whoever he brings in to handle the draft i guarantee he is going to be on the same page as holmgrem. you all keep forgetting about free agency like the its been abolished , look go that route to fill some holes alsocharliehustle14 wrote:
Well hopefully Holmgren is much smarter than you and realizes that one first rounder isn't going to make much of a difference on that offense.KnightRyder wrote:
our system? what is our system? whatever it is , its probably in for a major overhaul with holmgrem now in command. and if anything can be said for holmgrem he likes to have a high powered offense so dont be surprised if they go offense with the 1st pick.pkebker wrote:
I could see Spiller used like a Reggie Bush in our system...but he's a first rounder and that would be a dumb first round pick for us. Defense, defense, defense....KnightRyder wrote:
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man. -
pkebker
We've never had much success with FA before...KnightRyder wrote:
no shit einstien, do you think he is only gonna use one pick on the offense? i highly doubt it. but whoever he brings in to handle the draft i guarantee he is going to be on the same page as holmgrem. you all keep forgetting about free agency like the its been abolished , look go that route to fill some holes alsocharliehustle14 wrote:
Well hopefully Holmgren is much smarter than you and realizes that one first rounder isn't going to make much of a difference on that offense.KnightRyder wrote:
our system? what is our system? whatever it is , its probably in for a major overhaul with holmgrem now in command. and if anything can be said for holmgrem he likes to have a high powered offense so dont be surprised if they go offense with the 1st pick.pkebker wrote:
I could see Spiller used like a Reggie Bush in our system...but he's a first rounder and that would be a dumb first round pick for us. Defense, defense, defense....KnightRyder wrote:
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man. -
charliehustle14
You really are as stupid as I think you are, aren't you?KnightRyder wrote:
no shit einstien, do you think he is only gonna use one pick on the offense? i highly doubt it. but whoever he brings in to handle the draft i guarantee he is going to be on the same page as holmgrem. you all keep forgetting about free agency like the its been abolished , look go that route to fill some holes alsocharliehustle14 wrote:
Well hopefully Holmgren is much smarter than you and realizes that one first rounder isn't going to make much of a difference on that offense.KnightRyder wrote:
our system? what is our system? whatever it is , its probably in for a major overhaul with holmgrem now in command. and if anything can be said for holmgrem he likes to have a high powered offense so dont be surprised if they go offense with the 1st pick.pkebker wrote:
I could see Spiller used like a Reggie Bush in our system...but he's a first rounder and that would be a dumb first round pick for us. Defense, defense, defense....KnightRyder wrote:
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man.
This offense is basically crap. Joe Thomas is legit and I think Mack will eventually get there. Jerome Harrison is a huge wild card, you can't depend on Quinn, Cribbs doesn't have a role yet, and Mo Mass will never be anything besides a #3. If they go with an offensive skill player, that player will struggle mightily to make an impact simply because there are just not enough capable other players on the offense. It's like a Tim Couch situation. Couch was actually pretty decent QB but was set up for failure because Cleveland had hardly any help for him. And anyways, unless the Browns plan on trading down (yeah, good luck with that), there aren't any offense players worthy of being drafted in the spot where the Browns will be picking from. This is, top to bottom, one of the best defensive drafts in a very long time. With all the draft picks the Browns have accumulated for this draft, they need to take advantage of this. The only 2 skill position players that can help the Browns would be Dez Bryant or CJ Spiller....and both would be huge reaches.
I pray that Holmgren looks at what his former team did last year in the draft by taking both Raji and Matthews.
And in case you haven't noticed, the FA class is weak this year. Unless the Browns have a clever plan to reel in Miles Austin or Vincent Jackson, I really don't see anyone who will help out a whole lot. Injuries, character issues, and underachievement headline this year's FA class. -
pkebker
Why would we have a problem trading down?charliehustle14 wrote:
You really are as stupid as I think you are, aren't you?KnightRyder wrote:
no shit einstien, do you think he is only gonna use one pick on the offense? i highly doubt it. but whoever he brings in to handle the draft i guarantee he is going to be on the same page as holmgrem. you all keep forgetting about free agency like the its been abolished , look go that route to fill some holes alsocharliehustle14 wrote:
Well hopefully Holmgren is much smarter than you and realizes that one first rounder isn't going to make much of a difference on that offense.KnightRyder wrote:
our system? what is our system? whatever it is , its probably in for a major overhaul with holmgrem now in command. and if anything can be said for holmgrem he likes to have a high powered offense so dont be surprised if they go offense with the 1st pick.pkebker wrote:
I could see Spiller used like a Reggie Bush in our system...but he's a first rounder and that would be a dumb first round pick for us. Defense, defense, defense....KnightRyder wrote:
this is probably the last capped season, the browns do need help on the o-line but its the ride side of the 0-line. you never ever draft right o-linemen in the first round. that could easily fixed thru free agency. but there are some home run threats at rb in draft such as cj spiller that might make a good pickSportsAndLady wrote:
No one is saying RB isn't a need...they're simply saying there are more dire needs than that position. You have to build your core parts (OL, defense) then worry about your running back.devil1197 wrote: Everything I've read so far is that the Rams need a QB going into next season. They will have the #1 pick so if they take a QB then that will push guys like Suh and Berry down one. You never know what Detroit will do, I am thinking Cleveland will land Berry or McClain.
RB is a need. Once again do you honestly trust any of the RB's carrying a #1 RB load next season. We all would like to think that but Come On Man.
This offense is basically crap. Joe Thomas is legit and I think Mack will eventually get there. Jerome Harrison is a huge wild card, you can't depend on Quinn, Cribbs doesn't have a role yet, and Mo Mass will never be anything besides a #3. If they go with an offensive skill player, that player will struggle mightily to make an impact simply because there are just not enough capable other players on the offense. It's like a Tim Couch situation. Couch was actually pretty decent QB but was set up for failure because Cleveland had hardly any help for him. And anyways, unless the Browns plan on trading down (yeah, good luck with that), there aren't any offense players worthy of being drafted in the spot where the Browns will be picking from. This is, top to bottom, one of the best defensive drafts in a very long time. With all the draft picks the Browns have accumulated for this draft, they need to take advantage of this. The only 2 skill position players that can help the Browns would be Dez Bryant or CJ Spiller....and both would be huge reaches.
I pray that Holmgren looks at what his former team did last year in the draft by taking both Raji and Matthews.
And in case you haven't noticed, the FA class is weak this year. Unless the Browns have a clever plan to reel in Miles Austin or Vincent Jackson, I really don't see anyone who will help out a whole lot. Injuries, character issues, and underachievement headline this year's FA class.