Cleveland Browns Draft Talk 2010

• hoops23

  

  I'm fine with the RB's we have for one more season to see what they have.
  
  IMO, we need defense, defense, oline, defense, defense, etc...
  
  Oline and QB can be upgraded during FA, so I'm not too concerned with that right off the bat.
  
  IMO, we need Eric Berry.
• devil1197

  DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.
• buckeyes_woowee

  1: Suh, Berry, trade down, Gerald McCoy, Dez Bryant
  2: LB, RT, RG, DB
  3: Best Defensive player available
  3: RT, RG
  4: Best Defensive player, TE
  5,5,5: 1 OL, 1 DL, WR, TE
  6,6: Best available
  7 : best available
• DaBrowns41

  devil1197 wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:
  Thanks for bringing logical discussion to post in here.
  
  If you're not going to discuss football, then get out of this thread. It's clear you have nothing to add to the conversation.

  Quinn completes less than 54% of his passes, has never had a rating higher than 68, and has never thrown more than 8 TDs in a season. But yeah he's not part of the problem.

  So you want to select a QB in the first two rounds once again going through seasons with young, inexperienced QB play with no solid defense behind him?
  
  Keep Quinn and bring in a veteran QB via FA. Create a defense first, give Quinn another year as he still has not had a full year of NFL play, and if he fails then you already have a solid defense to hold the team down while you bring in a rookie in the 2011 draft.

  Main point is that you can't reach for a QB that's at the same talent level as yours is now, and have this many holes defensively and not take one of the defensive studs in the draft that's in the top 10. How often are there this many defensive play makers in one draft?
  
  Quinn hasn't even had a full season.
  
  Jordo is being dumb in his assessment of a QB that he probably has only seen play once.
• jordo212000

  

  DaBrowns41 wrote:
  
  Wow, good thing this is only his first season starting then.
  
  In Manning's first 16 games, he threw for a 56% CP and 28 INT's.
  
  The Colt's should have just given up on him, right?
  
  I'm not saying Brady is Manning, AT ALL. But point is, any idiot knows that you can't judge NFL talent on one season. Quinn doesn't even have a season's worth of starts.

  He doesn't have a full season yet, because he can't get on the field. DA was terrible last year and still managed to chalk up some starts. The thing is we football fans really only see the game. The coaches see the guys practicing and they know how good somebody is. Starting an atrocious DA over Quinn tells me everything I need to know. And once Quinn does get on the field, he gets hurt.
  
  In Manning's first 16 games he was a rookie. Quinn is now in his 3rd year. Time to start performing IMO.
• DaBrowns41

  devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.

  Bro, I hope so too, but I could see us taking McClain over Berry. Both are special players.
  
  To be honest, the only way we can be disappointed with this draft is if we reach for Spiller in the top 5, or take a QB.
  
  If we get any of the defensive studs, we'll all be rejoicing.
• DaBrowns41

  jordo212000 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:
  
  Wow, good thing this is only his first season starting then.
  
  In Manning's first 16 games, he threw for a 56% CP and 28 INT's.
  
  The Colt's should have just given up on him, right?
  
  I'm not saying Brady is Manning, AT ALL. But point is, any idiot knows that you can't judge NFL talent on one season. Quinn doesn't even have a season's worth of starts.

  He doesn't have a full season yet, because he can't get on the field. DA was terrible last year and still managed to chalk up some starts. The thing is we football fans really only see the game. The coaches see the guys practicing and they know how good somebody is. Starting an atrocious DA over Quinn tells me everything I need to know. And once Quinn does get on the field, he gets hurt.
  
  In Manning's first 16 games he was a rookie. Quinn is now in his 3rd year. Time to start performing IMO.

  DA started last year because we gave him a very big contract. How dumb would the front office look if they give the guy a huge deal after a "Pro Bowl" season, and then he gets beat out?
  
  Quinn was benched this season to avoid paying him quite a few million bucks for his incentives based on playing time, and because he questioned the play calling.
  
  When you've been through 3 offensive coordinators, it's not really easy for you to learn a new offense each season.
  
  Manning had the pleasure of having a future hall of fame WR and a future Hall of Fame RB.
  
  Quinn has a rookie WR starting, a WR that now plays safety starting, and had about 4 different TE's this season, to go with a RG and RT that lets everything including my dog run right through into the backfield.
  
  You really need to learn how to not just look at stats and know what you're talking about before getting into discussion with the big boys.
• jordo212000

  

  DaBrowns41 wrote:
  DA started last year because we gave him a very big contract. How dumb would the front office look if they give the guy a huge deal after a "Pro Bowl" season, and then he gets beat out?
  
  Quinn was benched this season to avoid paying him quite a few million bucks for his incentives based on playing time, and because he questioned the play calling.
  
  When you've been through 3 offensive coordinators, it's not really easy for you to learn a new offense each season.
  
  Manning had the pleasure of having a future hall of fame WR and a future Hall of Fame RB.
  
  Quinn has a rookie WR starting, a WR that now plays safety starting, and had about 4 different TE's this season, to go with a RG and RT that lets everything including my dog run right through into the backfield.
  
  You really need to learn how to not just look at stats and know what you're talking about before getting into discussion with the big boys.

  Yeah... it was the incentives that kept Quinn from starting.:rolleyes: That's comical. If the Browns are really that cheap and would rather lose games by playing an inferior QB, that franchise is in even more disarray than I thought.
  
  The big boys? Haha. How old are you?
• DaBrowns41

  jordo212000 wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:
  DA started last year because we gave him a very big contract. How dumb would the front office look if they give the guy a huge deal after a "Pro Bowl" season, and then he gets beat out?
  
  Quinn was benched this season to avoid paying him quite a few million bucks for his incentives based on playing time, and because he questioned the play calling.
  
  When you've been through 3 offensive coordinators, it's not really easy for you to learn a new offense each season.
  
  Manning had the pleasure of having a future hall of fame WR and a future Hall of Fame RB.
  
  Quinn has a rookie WR starting, a WR that now plays safety starting, and had about 4 different TE's this season, to go with a RG and RT that lets everything including my dog run right through into the backfield.
  
  You really need to learn how to not just look at stats and know what you're talking about before getting into discussion with the big boys.

  Yeah... it was the incentives that kept Quinn from starting.:rolleyes: That's comical. If the Browns are really that cheap and would rather lose games by playing an inferior QB, that franchise is in even more disarray than I thought.
  
  The big boys? Haha. How old are you?

  Yeah, because they were going to win games with Derek Anderson? LMAO. Why do you think Quinn went in immediately when it was statistically impossible for him to reach the 70% of snaps?
  
  Not to mention, a big part of it was that he questioned the offensive play calling (which was rightfully so), but Mangina didn't like it.
  
  Please leave this thread. You're ignorance is making everybody dumber.
• Mulva

  

  I don't think money is/was an issue.
  
  If it was, Lerner wouldn't be throwing $8-10 million per year at Holmgren, and very possibly firing Mangini after 1 season.
  
  Quinn was benched because he was playing terribly. The QBs didn't separate themselves at all during the preseason, so it's not surprising that he was on a somewhat short leash.
  
  He didn't regain the starting position quickly because of Mangini's ego. Putting Quinn back under center after only 2-3 weeks would be admitting he made a mistake to begin with. He waited as long as he possibly could. Quinn only became the starter again after the bye, when all of the rumors of how upset Lerner was/Mangini possibly being fired DURING the season arose. He had to make the move at that point.
• jordo212000

  

  You're the one claiming that Brady Quinn, even though he is the better QB, was benched in an elaborate attempt to save money. No team is going to do that. Especially a team that has struggled to win recently. No way they want to tick off a P Oed fanbase even more. You play to win the games.
  
  I won't post anymore though. I'll leave this thread to you and "your big boys"
• DaBrowns41

  Mulva wrote: I don't think money is/was an issue.
  
  If it was, Lerner wouldn't be throwing $8-10 million per year at Holmgren, and very possibly firing Mangini after 1 season.
  
  Quinn was benched because he was playing terribly. The QBs didn't separate themselves at all during the preseason, so it's not surprising that he was on a somewhat short leash.
  
  He didn't regain the starting position quickly because of Mangini's ego. Putting Quinn back under center after only 2-3 weeks would be admitting he made a mistake to begin with. He waited as long as he possibly could. Quinn only became the starter again after the bye, when all of the rumors of how upset Lerner was/Mangini possibly being fired DURING the season arose. He had to make the move at that point.

  Putting down a lot of money for a President, or buying out fired coaches contracts is completely different than the players salary.
  
  But like I said, the main part of it was that he questioned the play calling.
  
  And Quinn, while not playing the greatest, wasn't playing terribly. We were averaging around 7-8 drops a game, and there was no running game. Not to mention, we were playing top notch defenses.
  
  In those 3.5 starts, Quinn's average time before he got sacked was around 2.6 seconds, which was the 2nd-3rd least time in the NFL at the time, which was mostly caused by John St. Clair.
  
  Anybody that understands that game of football would realize that without offensive playmakers, a QB can't succeed. Do you really think that every single QB that we've had in Cleveland has truly been terrible? Why is it that Jeff Garcia could do well with every other team than the Browns?
  
  DA did well in 2007 (well the first half) because he had both Winslow and Braylon healthy, and Jamal Lewis was running VERY well.
  
  We have no running game. We have no WR's that will go up for the ball and make a play, and we have the offensive coordinator of a middle school football team.
  
  Only maybe Peyton Manning could survive as the QB of this team, and even he would struggle.
• DaBrowns41

  jordo212000 wrote: You're the one claiming that Brady Quinn, even though he is the better QB, was benched in an elaborate attempt to save money. No team is going to do that. Especially a team that has struggled to win recently. No way they want to tick off a P Oed fanbase even more. You play to win the games.
  
  I won't post anymore though. I'll leave this thread to you and "your big boys"

  
  
  So you don't think it pissed off the fan base when he pulled Brady, and started DA who was playing significantly worse for a longer amount of games against significantly worse defenses?
  
  Hmm...
  
  Thanks for leaving.
• Al Capone

  You browns fans think Holmgren is some type of savior. Dont worry, he will screw things up like the ones before him.
  get rid of quinn
  get rid of anderson
  get a veteran free agent qb
  draft your future qb
• SportsAndLady

  

  devil1197 wrote:

  SportsAndLady wrote: Just to give an example of why I think WRs are more important than a RB, I give you Brett Favre.
  
  Last year with the Jets, they had a good RB, but horrible wide receivers. He does fine for 8 games, then is just completely awful. Then he goes to the Vikings, and has VERY good WRs and he is having one of the best seasons of any QB this year.

  Uhhh, Farve was great because he was healthy. He got hurt last year lol what did you expect to happen to his play after he was injured.

  Right..he was injured..yet the last 7 games of the season he threw the ball 30+ times...right..injured..
• icskins

  I am not a big Holmgren fan. I think he was a good coach, not great. I do not think much of him as a GM type. I have been saying for a couple of years that they should hire Marty. He will build you a team. He has done it everywhere he has been. They may not win the Super Bowl, but right now, would you guys be happy with winning the division on a regular basis and going deep in the playoffs? Build up a lights out defense, get some kind of passing game, and find some people that can block for the line. Denver has never had great running backs, but with the way their line was, every back they used looked like a stud.
• DaBrowns41

  Al Capone wrote: You browns fans think Holmgren is some type of savior. Dont worry, he will screw things up like the ones before him.
  get rid of quinn
  get rid of anderson
  get a veteran free agent qb
  draft your future qb

  Oh yeah?
  
  Who's our veteran and future QB's going to throw the football to?
  
  Who's going to run the ball for the offense?
  
  Who's going to block for that QB?
  
  Not to mention, our defense would still suck terribly.
  
  Only a moron would reach for a QB in this draft with a putrid defense and a loaded defensive draft.
• IggyPride00

  

  Right..he was injured..yet the last 7 games of the season he threw the ball 30+ times...right..injured..

  Yeah, I guess that torn biceps he had surgery to repair in the offseason must have happened after the season was over. You're right though, he clearly wasn't injured.
• Al Capone

  Dont you have like 11 picks. Figure it out.
  Is Holmgren still whining about the Steelers bitch slapping his boys in superbowl XL.
  Like I said before, you need to have a good qb to succeed in the nfl. There is not one on the current browns roster.
• BCSbunk

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.

  Bro, I hope so too, but I could see us taking McClain over Berry. Both are special players.
  
  To be honest, the only way we can be disappointed with this draft is if we reach for Spiller in the top 5, or take a QB.
  
  If we get any of the defensive studs, we'll all be rejoicing.

  I want to see the combine before taking McClain over Berry. After watching them this season McClain is not that much better than other LB's as far as value goes. Berry though is a top 3 talent IMO.
  
  Yikes Spiller or a Qb would be very disappointing at the 4 or 5 slot.
• icskins

  If they are going to draft a QB, I am not saying they should, what about the guy from Central Michigan? He should be a later first day pick I think. He throws really well and can move around good.
• DaBrowns41

  Al Capone wrote: Dont you have like 11 picks. Figure it out.
  Is Holmgren still whining about the Steelers bitch slapping his boys in superbowl XL.
  Like I said before, you need to have a good qb to succeed in the nfl. There is not one on the current browns roster.

  Tell me a QB in the last 11 years that's succeeded with having only 1 or less play makers on the offense.
  
  Ok.... GO!
• BCSbunk

  icskins wrote: If they are going to draft a QB, I am not saying they should, what about the guy from Central Michigan? He should be a later first day pick I think. He throws really well and can move around good.

  Dan Lefevour can be had in the 4th or 5th round and that is where I would invest one of my picks in that position. I like Sean Canfield but I think he is going to go early 2nd rnd and I would not want to take a QB that early with the defensive talent out there like Da Browns has been saying.
• DaBrowns41

  BCSbunk wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  devil1197 wrote: DaBrowns, Berry won't be available after the #5 pick. He will be a Brown hopefully by then.

  Bro, I hope so too, but I could see us taking McClain over Berry. Both are special players.
  
  To be honest, the only way we can be disappointed with this draft is if we reach for Spiller in the top 5, or take a QB.
  
  If we get any of the defensive studs, we'll all be rejoicing.

  I want to see the combine before taking McClain over Berry. After watching them this season McClain is not that much better than other LB's as far as value goes. Berry though is a top 3 talent IMO.
  
  Yikes Spiller or a Qb would be very disappointing at the 4 or 5 slot.

  Well, my girlfriend being a HUGE Bama fan, has made me watch even more Bama games, and I've watched all but 2 this year, and all but 3 last season. He's the real deal. I think you'll be impressed by his combine numbers, and you'll see him separate himself from the rest of the talent at LB.
  
  He's a stud, and I believe he's on the same level as Berry.
• DaBrowns41

  icskins wrote: If they are going to draft a QB, I am not saying they should, what about the guy from Central Michigan? He should be a later first day pick I think. He throws really well and can move around good.

  It's hard to really evaluate shotgun QB's to become professionals. He's taken but a few snaps under center, and is the biggest part of the CMU offense. I'd possibly take a flyer on him in the 6th round or so, but I'm not a big fan of taking shotgun QB's in general.