NBA Finals: Miami Heat vs Oklahoma City Thunder

• hoops23

  

  Pick6;1206448 wrote:Zwick, do us all a favor and stick to talking about your Mustang or whatever.
  
  Thunder: 27-15 when Durant takes the most shots, 27-9 when Westbrook takes the most shots.
  20-32 is pretty fucking good. So, you mean if he passed the ball and Ibaka shot 4-9 that would have been better? Last I checked 62.5% is a pretty fucking good shot percentage. Chances are nobody on the Thunder would have shot that well if Westbrook would have passed more. Not to mention, you forget about all the time Westbrook IS playing the 2 guard when Fisher or Harden is in there with him, which is pretty often.
  
  Shame on him for shooting <62% and shooting during a fast break.smh

  But...but the PG is supposed to walk the ball up slowly and initiate the offense by passing it around!
  
  Lol. Points are points. It makes no difference is Westbrook scores 40 or Durantula scores 40. Westbrook is the only one playing with confidence.
  
  Also, I hope of the Heat win, SQ makes an appearance. It'll definitely bring the lulz
• Heretic

  

  hoops23;1206460 wrote:Also, I hope of the Heat win, SQ makes an appearance. It'll definitely bring the lulz

  I'll try to make sure any thread he appears in just gets moved to the Basement, so everyone can take verbal roundhouses at that bitch without having to worry about anyone infracting them. Things will be more fun that way.
• jhay78

  

  karen lotz;1206197 wrote:Chalmers scored off of passes from Wade and LeBron after they drove or posted up. Not close to how westbrook dominated the ball.

  Really? Would've never guessed it if you hadn't said so. A better example would be D Wade, who dominates the ball more than anyone else for Miami. Except he has to pass the ball every now and then because he's not as quick getting by defenders as he used to be.
  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1206199 wrote:Chalmers shot it 15 times .. Both Wade and Lebron shot it more and Bosh shot it only two less times. If Chalmers shot it 30+ times the Heat lose easily. I'm not even sure if I was supposed to take that question seriously?
  
  And let's not pretend like Mario Chalmers in a prototypical pg.. he's whatever Lebron and Wade let him be.

  So what Westbrook does is bad because he's not doing what a "prototypical pg" does, but what Chalmers does is good. Got it.
  

  Pick6;1206448 wrote:Zwick, do us all a favor and stick to talking about your Mustang or whatever.
  
  Thunder: 27-15 when Durant takes the most shots, 27-9 when Westbrook takes the most shots.
  20-32 is pretty ****ing good. So, you mean if he passed the ball and Ibaka shot 4-9 that would have been better? Last I checked 62.5% is a pretty ****ing good shot percentage. Chances are nobody on the Thunder would have shot that well if Westbrook would have passed more. Not to mention, you forget about all the time Westbrook IS playing the 2 guard when Fisher or Harden is in there with him, which is pretty often.
  
  Shame on him for shooting <62% and shooting during a fast break.smh

  He should've dribbled off his leg, passed it into the stands, or committed various other types of turnovers. Shooting a lot, even if it's over 90%, is bad.
• Pick6

  

  jhay78;120648 wrote:
  He should've dribbled off his leg, passed it into the stands, or committed various other types of turnovers. Shooting a lot, even if it's over 90%, is bad.

  I wont deny he makes some dumb plays. OKC has 3 primary scorers; Wesbrook, Durant, and Harden. Harden has played like dog shit all series, Durant was pulling a Lebron going MIA (scored a very quiet 28 points or whatever it was). Who else do you expect to score for OKC? Their biggest problem right now is James Harden not showing up.
• karen lotz

  

  jhay78;1206484 wrote:Really? Would've never guessed it if you hadn't said so. A better example would be D Wade, who dominates the ball more than anyone else for Miami. Except he has to pass the ball every now and then because he's not as quick getting by defenders as he used to be.
  
  
  
  So what Westbrook does is bad because he's not doing what a "prototypical pg" does, but what Chalmers does is good. Got it.
  
  
  
  He should've dribbled off his leg, passed it into the stands, or committed various other types of turnovers. Shooting a lot, even if it's over 90%, is bad.

  
  Sorry you missed my point. You asked if Chalmers scored too much for a PG. He didn't because almost every one of his baskets came off of penetration from Wade or LeBron or at least good ball movement from everyone. Westbrook was playing one on one the entire game. It worked out well for him because he was hitting shots, but he was also keeping his entire team out of the flow of the game.
  
  I'm not saying he didn't have a great game last night statistically, because he did. They aren't going to win anything with Westbrook freezing out his teammates like he did. And pick6, please don't post the W/L and shot leader splits again unless you post the splits for the Finals along with it.
• Pick6

  

  karen lotz;1206504 wrote:\ And pick6, please don't post the W/L and shot leader splits again unless you post the splits for the Finals along with it.

  1-2 with Westbrook shooting the most.
  0-1 with Durant.
• Automatik

  

  Pick6;1206517 wrote:1-2 with Westbrook shooting the most.
  0-1 with Durant.

  1 win!! lol...well its settled.
• Pick6

  

  Automatik;1206525 wrote:1 win!! lol...well its settled.

  did you expect so to see more than 1 or something?
• Automatik

  

  Pick6;1206528 wrote:did you expect so to see more than 1 or something?

  The correlation of who gets more shots with their wins and losses doesn't mean shit. That's that I was getting at.
• 2kool4skool

  

  Yeah, statistics mean nothing. The expert eyes of ohiochatter members tell the real story.
• Rotinaj

  

  Automatik;1206531 wrote:The correlation of who gets more shots with their wins and losses doesn't mean shit. That's that I was getting at.

  +1. I'd like to know what the shooting %'s are for those games. I guarantee Durant has a higher %.
• Pick6

  

  Automatik;1206531 wrote:The correlation of who gets more shots with their wins and losses doesn't mean shit. That's that I was getting at.

  oh really? Pretty sure the Thunder have a .333 winning percentage with Westbrook taking more shots, and a .0 winning percentage when Durant takes more shots.
  
  
  If it doesn't mean shit, why are people (mainly u and zwick) bitching that Westbrook shoots too much? It apparently means "shit"
• Pick6

  

  If you guys have a problem with Westbrook shooting so much. Maybe Durant should learn to play defense so he can stay on the floor.
• Automatik

  

  Pick6;1206542 wrote:If you guys have a problem with Westbrook shooting so much. Maybe Durant should learn to play defense so he can stay on the floor.

  I don't have a problem with him shooting so much when his team was ice cold like they were, but that's not going to win them games. Everyone needs to get going.
  
  I agree that he's taking too much heat from the media.
• Pick6

  

  Automatik;1206545 wrote:I don't have a problem with him shooting so much when his team was ice cold like they were, but that's not going to win them games. Everyone needs to get going.
  
  I agree that he's taking too much heat from the media.

  fair enough
• jpake1

  

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  Any idea which poster this is?
• lhslep134

  

  The problem wasn't that Westbrook was scoring, it was that Westbrook was scoring in an iso offense. The Heat, outside of the person guarding Westbrook, literally went through a like 10 minute stretch where they didn't have to play defense because it was iso every play.
  
  If the Thunder run ANY semblance of an offense, it forces the Heat to play defense and tires them out more.
  
  Also, let's not forget they got 33 points from Norris Chalmers. Without that, they don't win either.
  
  This series is far from over.
  
  Also, don't want to take anything away from Lebron/Heat because he has completely taken this series over. I don't hate Lebron the basketball player, just Lebron the person, so it's actually really awesome to watch how dominant he's been.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Either yall ride for Westbrook or you had terrible basketball coaches growing up
• jhay78

  

  karen lotz;1206504 wrote:Sorry you missed my point. You asked if Chalmers scored too much for a PG. He didn't because almost every one of his baskets came off of penetration from Wade or LeBron or at least good ball movement from everyone. Westbrook was playing one on one the entire game. It worked out well for him because he was hitting shots, but he was also keeping his entire team out of the flow of the game.
  
  I'm not saying he didn't have a great game last night statistically, because he did. They aren't going to win anything with Westbrook freezing out his teammates like he did. And pick6, please don't post the W/L and shot leader splits again unless you post the splits for the Finals along with it.

  I got your point- my question was purely to point out that not everyone with a PG beside their name does what a "prototypical point guard" does. Chalmers doesn't dominate the ball because 1) there are 2 Hall of Famers who can do that for his team and 2) he's not nearly as talented as Westbrook.
  
  If Harden doesn't play like crap, and hits 2-3 more shots and commits 2-3 fewer turnovers, then right now we're talking about how clutch Westbrook was leading his team to tie the series.
• Ironman92

  

  Nationals 3
  Rays 2
• hoops23

  

  Ironman92;1206752 wrote:Nationals 3
  Rays 2

  lol wut
• karen lotz

  

  LocoEngineer66;752 wrote:The Loco one is here!!!!!!

  
  Strasburg too good.
• Ironman92

  

  I like Rax.
• jordo212000

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1206246 wrote:What do you mean by interesting? Won't change the fact LeBron is a cry baby who quit on his team in Cleveland. All this spectacle to move to Miami, claims he'll get 8 rings, and he's struggling to get 1. The sense of entitlement is ridiculous. If he worked hard, he'd probably have won a ring by now.

  
  Huh? Struggling to get one? In his first and second seasons with the Heat they have made the finals. Right now they are on pace to win a title.
  
  I find it funny that anybody would suggest Lebron doesn't "work hard" is downright laughable. You don't become one of the best players in history by being lazy.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  jordo212000;1207262 wrote:Huh? Struggling to get one? In his first and second seasons with the Heat they have made the finals. Right now they are on pace to win a title.
  
  I find it funny that anybody would suggest Lebron doesn't "work hard" is downright laughable. You don't become one of the best players in history by being lazy.

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