Cleveland Cavaliers 11-12 season thread

• hoops23

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;1186896 wrote:I'm just hoping someone ahead of the Cavs takes Drummond, Robinson, or both...

  I don't think the Cavs would take Robinson because we have Tristan.
  
  Drummond does worry me.
  
  I also wonder if the Cavs, who have been rumored to be interested in moving back into the lottery, would look at moving up to #10 where NOH sits. NO has been rumored to want out of the 10th pick.
  
  With that 10th pick, the Cavs could select a guy like Austin Rivers. Rivers could start at the 2 OR come off the bench ala James Harden and lead the second unit by being the scorer that he already is.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  hoops23;1186897 wrote:I don't think the Cavs would take Robinson because we have Tristan.
  
  Drummond does worry me.
  
  I also wonder if the Cavs, who have been rumored to be interested in moving back into the lottery, would look at moving up to #10 where NOH sits. NO has been rumored to want out of the 10th pick.
  
  With that 10th pick, the Cavs could select a guy like Austin Rivers. Rivers could start at the 2 OR come off the bench ala James Harden and lead the second unit by being the scorer that he already is.

  My point is that if someone takes Robinson in the top 3 then they're aren't taking MGK or Beal. I agree the Cavs wouldn't take Robinson .
• KR1245

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;1186896 wrote:I'm just hoping someone ahead of the Cavs takes Drummond, Robinson, or both...

  It could happen, it seems like bigmen rise fast at the pre-draft workouts. I wouldnt be surprised to see one of them go 2 or 3
  
  
  I cant get on the Barnes bandwagon yet. I know that he has a nice jumper but other than that I'm not sure he does a thing better than MKG or Beal.
• Crimson streak

  

  I've seen lamb available at 10 it would be nice to get Barnes and lamb. Fills needs with 2 very good scorers
• Midstate01

  

  I'll be interested to see how Barnes does at the draft workouts.
• trep14

  hoops23;1186897 wrote:I don't think the Cavs would take Robinson because we have Tristan.
  
  Drummond does worry me.
  
  I also wonder if the Cavs, who have been rumored to be interested in moving back into the lottery, would look at moving up to #10 where NOH sits. NO has been rumored to want out of the 10th pick.
  
  With that 10th pick, the Cavs could select a guy like Austin Rivers. Rivers could start at the 2 OR come off the bench ala James Harden and lead the second unit by being the scorer that he already is.

  I would like it if the Cavs could get Rivers. I like him alot I think he is going to be much better in the NBA than he was in college. A little undersized for the 2, but I think he can make it work.
  
  Edit: I guess he's listed at 6'4" but he looks a little shorter than that.
• Mulva

  

  hoops23;1186897 wrote:I also wonder if the Cavs, who have been rumored to be interested in moving back into the lottery, would look at moving up to #10 where NOH sits. NO has been rumored to want out of the 10th pick.

  Houston is rumored to be open to trading one of their picks too, because they already a pretty solid young core in place. They would probably want to land an established vet (Pau) though. But if we could move back up to 10 or 14 and end up with some combo of Barnes/MKG/T-Jones and Lamb/Beal/Ross I would have an erection until next year's draft.
  
  Especially considering the Hornets might throw Kaman into a deal. I'd be willing to part with basically whatever they wanted to get that done. Andy, Gee, picks (this year or future), you name it.
  
  If we could trot out something like Kyrie, Lamb, MKG, Tristan, and Kaman as a starting 5 next year it would be amazing.
• GOONx19

  

  How could we get ahold of Roy Hibbert? That's who I want.
• vball10set

  GOONx19;1187099 wrote:How could we get ahold of Roy Hibbert? That's who I want.

  [h=1]Roy Hibbert[/h][h=2]@Hoya2aPacer[/h]
• SportsAndLady

  

  Mulva;1186976 wrote:Houston is rumored to be open to trading one of their picks too, because they already a pretty solid young core in place. They would probably want to land an established vet (Pau) though. But if we could move back up to 10 or 14 and end up with some combo of Barnes/MKG/T-Jones and Lamb/Beal/Ross I would have an erection until next year's draft.
  
  Especially considering the Hornets might throw Kaman into a deal. I'd be willing to part with basically whatever they wanted to get that done. Andy, Gee, picks (this year or future), you name it.
  
  If we could trot out something like Kyrie, Lamb, MKG, Tristan, and Kaman as a starting 5 next year it would be amazing.

  Kaman? No thanks, I'll take Andy over Kaman. And I'd especially take Andy + Gee + picks for Kaman...unless of course you meant either one of those, not all of those, in which case I am retarded.
• like_that

  

  GOONx19;1187099 wrote:How could we get ahold of Roy Hibbert? That's who I want.

  I thought he was a FA?
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;1187111 wrote:Kaman? No thanks, I'll take Andy over Kaman. And I'd especially take Andy + Gee + picks for Kaman...unless of course you meant either one of those, not all of those, in which case I am retarded.

  
  Kaman is a better player than Varejao?
• Mulva

  

  SportsAndLady;1187111 wrote:Kaman? No thanks, I'll take Andy over Kaman. And I'd especially take Andy + Gee + picks for Kaman...unless of course you meant either one of those, not all of those, in which case I am retarded.

  I meant something like Andy + Gee + 24 + 33 for Kaman + 10. Not just for Kaman.
  
  Kaman is just as good as Varejao (if he can stay healthy), and we need a true center. Which is why there is the talk about Hibbert, possible interest in Drummond, etc. I'm still 100% opposed to starting Varejao AND TT. Do not like them both on the court at the same time, and if one starts and 1 comes off the bench you still need a starting center.
  
  The point is to get the #10 pick. You're going to have to give shit up to move back into the lottery. Kaman is just a nice throw-in.
• wes_mantooth

  

  Mulva;1187185 wrote:I meant something like Andy + Gee + 24 + 33 for Kaman + 10. Not just for Kaman.
  
  Kaman is just as good as Varejao (if he can stay healthy), and we need a true center. Which is why there is the talk about Hibbert, possible interest in Drummond, etc. I'm still 100% opposed to starting Varejao AND TT. Do not like them both on the court at the same time, and if one starts and 1 comes off the bench you still need a starting center.
  
  The point is to get the #10 pick. You're going to have to give shit up to move back into the lottery. Kaman is just a nice throw-in.

  hmm....
  
  1 Kyrie
  2 ????
  3 MKg
  4 TT
  5 Kaman
  
  Interesting....I wonder who would be there at 10
• hoops23

  

  wes_mantooth;1187196 wrote:hmm....
  
  1 Kyrie
  2 ????
  3 MKg
  4 TT
  5 Kaman
  
  Interesting....I wonder who would be there at 10

  That is a good looking line up honestly... Could potentially make the playoffs in the East.
  
  Around 10 you'd have guys like Rivers,Terrence Ross, Dion Waiters, that could potentially play the 2.
• Crimson streak

  

  hoops23;1187207 wrote:That is a good looking line up honestly... Could potentially make the playoffs in the East.
  
  Around 10 you'd have guys like Rivers,Terrence Ross, Dion Waiters, that could potentially play the 2.

  
  Lamb could possibly be there also.
• Hb31187

  

  SportsAndLady;1186482 wrote:I actually want Harrison Barnes a lot. I think he's going to be a really good pro. I'm not really sold on MKG, because like COA said, he relies on being way more athletic and physically gifted than anyone else on the court; which will not be the case in the NBA.
  
  If you're comparing it to OKC:
  
  Kyrie is Westbrook
  Thompson is Ibaka but with more offense and a little less defense
  Barnes is Harden
  
  Still missing our Durant though lol

  You saying that those players play the same style as their OKC counterparts, or are as good as their OKC counterparts?
• hoops23

  

  Mulva;1186976 wrote:Houston is rumored to be open to trading one of their picks too, because they already a pretty solid young core in place. They would probably want to land an established vet (Pau) though. But if we could move back up to 10 or 14 and end up with some combo of Barnes/MKG/T-Jones and Lamb/Beal/Ross I would have an erection until next year's draft.
  
  Especially considering the Hornets might throw Kaman into a deal. I'd be willing to part with basically whatever they wanted to get that done. Andy, Gee, picks (this year or future), you name it.
  
  If we could trot out something like Kyrie, Lamb, MKG, Tristan, and Kaman as a starting 5 next year it would be amazing.

  After looking it over a bit more, why would the Hornets throw in Kaman? His 14 million will come off the books for the Hornets at the end of next season. Seems to me they'd rather keep him and have his salary dump off the books.
• Mulva

  

  hoops23;1187448 wrote:After looking it over a bit more, why would the Hornets throw in Kaman? His 14 million will come off the books for the Hornets at the end of next season. Seems to me they'd rather keep him and have his salary dump off the books.

  They're in full-on rebuild and planned to trade him as soon as they acquired him. The salary will come off the books either way, and unless they're doing a complete 180, they want to see what the young guys (like Gustavo Ayon) have.
• lhslep134

  

  hoops23;1187448 wrote: Seems to me they'd rather keep him and have his salary dump off the books.

  They would. But if they can package him in a decent/good trade for them, no reason not to, right?
• hoops23

  

  lhslep134;1187454 wrote:They would. But if they can package him in a decent/good trade for them, no reason not to, right?

  I guess, but Andy is signed through '14/15 and is owed 9 mill+ in the final two years.
  
  I think the Hornets could do better than that. I definitely wouldn't want to throw a future 1st in there unless it was the Kings pick that we'll never see until it's a 2nd rounder.
  
  And I don't think the Hornets would want to take on Andy's contract for a few more years, especially when they're presumably drafting Anthony Davis.
• mucalum49

  

  Fran Fraschilla with a write up about Jeremy Lamb being one of the best draft fits...
  

  [h=3]No. 4: Cleveland Cavaliers[/h] Jeremy Lamb, Connecticut HuskiesPut Lamb in the backcourt with defending rookie of the year Kyrie Irving and the Cavaliers have solved a major problem for the next decade. Lamb's positional size, scoring ability and high ceiling make him a great fit for a rebuilding franchise.
  
  While Lamb, who is younger than Irving, can certainly improve his strength, the notion that he is a soft player is foolish.
  
  He showed his toughness in the NCAA tournament his freshman season. Despite Kemba Walker's brilliance all season, there would have been no NCAA title for the Huskies in 2011 without Lamb's heroics. His clutch shooting bailed the Huskies out even when Walker went ice cold in games against Arizona and Butler.
  
  This season, on a chaotic Huskies team, Lamb averaged 17 points per game. And while he struggled at times with his consistency from 3-point range, he shot a blistering 60 percent inside the arc. He learned to make plays for himself off the dribble this season and his movement without the ball has always been Ray Allen-like.
  
  Right now, Florida's Bradley Beal is the direction in which the herd is being pulled, and he is certainly a lottery pick. But if it were up to me, I'd take Lamb. In a draft full of questions, outside of Davis, the Cavs' decision about who they should partner Irving with could have an impact on the team for a decade. I think Lamb will be a star.

• ohiobucks1

  

  From Doug Gottleib on who to take and who not to take:
  
  
  With the NBA draft lottery order set and Chad Ford's most recent mock draft released, it's a good time to take a closer look at some of this year's highest-touted prospects. Because I've seen these players throughout their college careers, I'm more skeptical of a few when it comes to their NBA potential. Here is a look at five players I would be leery of taking, with a better alternative pick whom teams should consider.
  1. Don't take Michael Kidd-Gilchrist ...
  
  MKG is a phenomenal competitor, and his tenacious drive to help a team win has many thinking he can change the culture of his first NBA team. My opinion of MKG is not truly negative. In fact, I totally understand the value in finding a big-time competitor early in his growth curve. On the other hand, it is fairly obvious to most that MKG is not a true guard yet.
  In the days ahead, Kidd-Gilchrist will devote his time to learning the nuances of being a guard in addition to practicing his work-in-progress jumper. In many ways MKG is a bigger, worse ball-handling, better-rebounding version of Tony Allen. People forget that Allen was a scoring machine -- minus a jump shot -- out of Oklahoma State. Allen, like MKG, has a flawed jumper but is a ferocious competitor. If an Allen clone is your idea of a top 2-guard draft pick, at least you know what you are getting.
  ... instead, take Jeremy Lamb
  Lamb had an up-and-down season after being a huge part of UConn's national championship team in 2010-11. But most important for his future is that his ability to shoot, score and move without the ball, combined with his length and height, makes him an ideal wing draft pick.
  
  Lamb is not the demonstrative leader MKG is. Instead, he is kind of a flatliner, showing little or no emotion during the game. Although emotion might seem warranted, the long NBA season needs even-keeled personalities as well. Lamb has been rightfully compared to Rip Hamilton, and Fran Fraschilla said he thought Cleveland would be a perfect fit for Lamb. The only reason you would pass on Lamb is if you were looking for leadership out of your draft pick. In that case, Kidd-Gilchrist is your guy.
• hoops23

  

  Saw that MKG only hit 20% of his attempted jumpers this past season. I think I'd pass now lol.
• GOONx19

  

  ^ Yeah, he was the best fast break finisher I've ever seen, but outside of that he pretty much stayed out of the way on offense.