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Cleveland Cavaliers 11-12 season thread

  • like_that
    KR1245;1136049 wrote:Cavs currently sit in the 4th position.....doubt they can close the gap much more
    Good enough to win that #1 pick.
  • wes_mantooth
    like_that;1136046 wrote:You mean draft a hofer, then surround him by talent (or initially have him play with a veteran hofer)? Yeah sounds like a good blueprint.
    I took it as, you don't need two or three superstars, just draft correctly with your mid to late round picks. Finding guys like Danny Green who couldn't see the floor anywhere else.
  • wes_mantooth
    Besides, I don't think Tim Duncan makes the hall of fame with his Ron Artest...or whatever his name is....behavior...

    [video=youtube;kOygTd1NWCM][/video]

    You can't embarrass the game like that and expect to be rewarded with a HOF nomination
  • Commander of Awesome
    OKC also got lucky, very lucky. Portland passed on KD, and he struggled as a rookie (unlike GOATrie), which enabled them to be bad enough to get Westbrook, who struggled mightily as a rookie, which enabled them to get Harden. They drafted well, empowered their players, and got lucky in the draft. And they still haven't won shit. Just saying.
  • Y-Town Steelhound
    Commander of Awesome;1136107 wrote:OKC also got lucky, very lucky. Portland passed on KD, and he struggled as a rookie (unlike GOATrie), which enabled them to be bad enough to get Westbrook, who struggled mightily as a rookie, which enabled them to get Harden. They drafted well, empowered their players, and got lucky in the draft. And they still haven't won shit. Just saying.
    They still haven't won shit but they are getting better every year and should be title contenders for the next decade with that core.
  • SportsAndLady
    Commander of Awesome;1136107 wrote:OKC also got lucky, very lucky. Portland passed on KD, and he struggled as a rookie (unlike GOATrie), which enabled them to be bad enough to get Westbrook, who struggled mightily as a rookie, which enabled them to get Harden. They drafted well, empowered their players, and got lucky in the draft. And they still haven't won shit. Just saying.
    Those guys are like 23, 24, and 24...I think they'll win SOMETHING while in OKC.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Y-Town Steelhound;1136115 wrote:They still haven't won shit but they are getting better every year and should be title contenders for the next decade with that core.
    I agree, but just wanted it stated. The NBA is extremely hard to improve your team and you have to nail the draft IMO. I would say the NBA draft is more important than the NFL draft for a franchise.
  • Footwedge
    Unibrow works for me.
  • Commander of Awesome
    SportsAndLady;1136116 wrote:Those guys are like 23, 24, and 24...I think they'll win SOMETHING while in OKC.
    I would think so, but nothing is set in stone. Look at the Charlotte Hornets in the early/mid 90s, the Shaq Magic teams, Utah Jazz, LBJ Cavs, Early 2000s Sac Kings teams. Most of those fan bases said the same thing.
  • SportsAndLady
    Commander of Awesome;1136123 wrote:I would think so, but nothing is set in stone. Look at the Charlotte Hornets in the early/mid 90s, the Shaq Magic teams, Utah Jazz, LBJ Cavs, Early 2000s Sac Kings teams. Most of those fan bases said the same thing.
    True..they may not win anything. I just don't think it's fair to say "they haven't won shit" quite yet, because they're not even close to that team being blown up.
  • hoops23
    wes_mantooth;1136037 wrote:I am in the minority, but I would take MKG or Davis everyday.
    I actually agree.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Is this because of the Cavs roster situation or becuase you think he'll be a better player?
  • wildcats20
    I'm assuming tooth meant "over" and not "or"....

    If that's the case, I agree.

    I honestly don't think Davis is going to amount to much in the league.
  • wes_mantooth
    Commander of Awesome;1136136 wrote:Is this because of the Cavs roster situation or becuase you think he'll be a better player?

    both.

    I think Davis is still very raw offensively....and we have AV still.

    But mostly, I think mkg is very explosive...just like his game
  • Commander of Awesome
    wildcats20;1136137 wrote:I'm assuming tooth meant "over" and not "or"....

    If that's the case, I agree.

    I honestly don't think Davis is going to amount to much in the league.
    Care to expand? I didn't watch many UK games this season, only the last 2 in the tourney and a random couple during the year. Everything I read though say he's a college great and best defensive player to come out at his position (with ball handling skills) in the last 20 yrs.
  • wildcats20
    Commander of Awesome;1136145 wrote:Care to expand? I didn't watch many UK games this season, only the last 2 in the tourney and a random couple during the year. Everything I read though say he's a college great and best defensive player to come out at his position (with ball handling skills) in the last 20 yrs.
    I mean I'm not saying he wasn't great, but we have seen a lot of great college guys just totally flop in the NBA.

    He will be a glorified Marcus Camby at best. Which yeah is good, but not like everyone is predicting him to be. I just don't see him ever living up to his hype.


    Of course, I could(and probably will) be wrong.
  • robj55
    Who do you guys prefer, Beal or MKG?
  • hoops23
    Anthony Davis just doesn't do it for me in the NBA. He just reminds me of Anthony Randolph, Brandan Wright, etc...

    His offensive game is very raw and he's rail thin. IMO, we already have a lengthy shot blocker/rebounder in Tristan and he's a better 1-on-1 defender. He's also got better size in terms of muscle/strength.
  • Hb31187
    Commander of Awesome;1136107 wrote:OKC also got lucky, very lucky. Portland passed on KD, and he struggled as a rookie (unlike GOATrie), which enabled them to be bad enough to get Westbrook, who struggled mightily as a rookie, which enabled them to get Harden. They drafted well, empowered their players, and got lucky in the draft. And they still haven't won ****. Just saying.
    He averaged like 20 points a game and shot over 40% as a rookie, he didnt struggle at all. They just had a horrrrible team
  • hoops23
    robj55;1136150 wrote:Who do you guys prefer, Beal or MKG?
    I actually like both. I think they give you different things. Beal is a much better shooter, but MKG is better at creating for himself/slashing.

    I didn't see much of Beal, but MKG is a very solid defender too.
  • wes_mantooth
    Commander of Awesome;1136145 wrote:Care to expand? I didn't watch many UK games this season, only the last 2 in the tourney and a random couple during the year. Everything I read though say he's a college great and best defensive player to come out at his position (with ball handling skills) in the last 20 yrs.
    Yeah he has guard skills for sure, but I question how skinny he is and how he will hold up. He is a defensive monster, but he will get shoved around in the NBA without getting calls. Who knows...may end up developing a great mid range and post game...tough to say
  • Hb31187
    If MKG works on his jumper, he will be a great NBA player
  • robj55
    I could see Davis as a Marcus Camby in the league, shot blocker, rebounder, not a great scorer. Obviously he is young so he can improve that aspect of his game. Camby was a really good scorer in college and became a specialist mostly in the league.
  • Hb31187
    How big was camby when he came out though? He was kinda skinny and id still bet he outweighed AD

    Edit, looked it up and they were abotu the same, maybe Marcus just carried the weight differently
  • wes_mantooth
    Crazy thing is, every radio host or talking head that I hear....seems like it is a foregone conclusion that Davis will be the number one pick.