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Merrill Hoge blasts Tim Tebow on Twitter

  • Speedofsand
    Terry_Tate;860430 wrote:Are you just ignoring the part where Hoge was basing his comments on last years games(in which Tebow had a stellar 50% completion percentage) intentionally or unintentionally?

    +2
    You keep saying 50%. You are ignoring 6 rushing TDs. Last year's passer ratings: Orton 79.6 , Tebow 82.1
    Hoge should look at Orton's first season. 51%, rating 59.7

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8520/kyle-orton

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13200/tim-tebow
  • queencitybuckeye
    Speedofsand;860440 wrote:+2
    You keep saying 50%. You are ignoring 6 rushing TDs. Last year's passer ratings: Orton 79.6 , Tebow 82.1
    Hoge should look at Orton's first season. 51%, rating 59.7

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8520/kyle-orton

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13200/tim-tebow
    You should quit making comparisons like this as one could take it to mean that you could possibly believe that Tebow is on the same level as an NFL quarterback as Orton. You don't want to do so, as it's so ridiculous, you lose all credibility not only in this lifetime, but in any possible future lifetimes.
  • Automatik
    Speedofsand;860416 wrote:If the haters used anything from preseason practice twitter remarks from a guy who said Brian Brohm was better than Aaron Rodgers as part of an argument, then yes, they would be delusional too.

    What about the article I posted? Just disregard that?
  • Terry_Tate
    Speedofsand;860440 wrote:+2
    You keep saying 50%. You are ignoring 6 rushing TDs.

    Lol, cause the 6 rushing tds excuses a 50% completion percentage.
  • Speedofsand
    Automatik;860519 wrote:What about the article I posted? Just disregard that?
    same as you ignoring the article I posted. You believe a washed up ESPN hack? Anyone around this board can tell you what liars they are at ESPN, the Dispatch, Yahoo, S.I., etc.
    Terry_Tate;860665 wrote:Lol, cause the 6 rushing tds excuses a 50% completion percentage.
    So you want to ignore the QB passer rating, yards per attempt, points per game, etc.; 50% is all that counts in your book? Ignore that Orton was 51% his first year?
  • Automatik
    Speedofsand;860712 wrote:same as you ignoring the article I posted. You believe a washed up ESPN hack? Anyone around this board can tell you what liars they are at ESPN, the Dispatch, Yahoo, S.I., etc.


    So you want to ignore the QB passer rating, yards per attempt, points per game, etc.; 50% is all that counts in your book? Ignore that Orton was 51% his first year?

    Yes I read them all. I think you're taking my comments like I have something against Tebow, which I do not. I'm just trying to understand your constant defending of him.

    So the articles questioning Tebow's ability are written by liars, hacks, etc. but your NFL.com article is not?
  • SportsAndLady
    Speedofsand;860712 wrote:same as you ignoring the article I posted. You believe a washed up ESPN hack? Anyone around this board can tell you what liars they are at ESPN, the Dispatch, Yahoo, S.I., etc.


    So you want to ignore the QB passer rating, yards per attempt, points per game, etc.; 50% is all that counts in your book? Ignore that Orton was 51% his first year?

    Moron the whole point was he is inaccurate. So yeah, 50% is all that counts.
  • lhslep134
    Speedofsand;860712 wrote:same as you ignoring the article I posted. You believe a washed up ESPN hack? Anyone around this board can tell you what liars they are at ESPN, the Dispatch, Yahoo, S.I., etc.


    So you want to ignore the QB passer rating, yards per attempt, points per game, etc.; 50% is all that counts in your book? Ignore that Orton was 51% his first year?

    Orton isn't a 1st year QB so who the f**k cares what he did his first year? Clearly all you care about is defending Tebow to the point of hilarity.
  • sleeper
    Are people really defending Tebow? The guy was a great player in college, but his NFL career will go nowhere. That's really all there is to it, book it, bank it.
  • enigmaax
    lhslep134;860957 wrote:Orton isn't a 1st year QB so who the f**k cares what he did his first year?

    I think that point goes back to the statement that you can't improve accuracy. Someone pointed out Orton's numbers the last few years and he's characterized as a solid NFL QB, but he started out pretty shaky (particularly as it relates to accuracy). Just an example of how QB's can improve, including accuracy. Obviously, that isn't an argument for Tebow to start right now, but a statement that his future isn't necessarily doomed.
  • SportsAndLady
    Still trying to figure out how to fix accuracy

    Seems like one of those things you either got it or ya dont
  • Gblock
    hodge had the benefit of a great team and wasnt that great of a player. im a steeler fan but he was way too harsh on tebow. his remarks make it seems like he thinks he's going into the hall of fame. as far as tebow goes i say give it some time. he's certainly as good as some guys ive seen play last year. off the top of my head rusty smith, dennis dixon, charlie whitehurst etc...
  • enigmaax
    SportsAndLady;861178 wrote:Still trying to figure out how to fix accuracy

    Seems like one of those things you either got it or ya dont

    As it relates to Tebow, I know in the Hoge rant he specifically talked about how Tebow overthrew a couple and underthrew a couple. But do you really think that Tebow got by all these years without being able to throw a ball at a target? Accuracy, as it is important to an NFL quarterback, is a result of many other things, not a standalone skill. There are plenty of things that quarterbacks can and do to improve their accuracy.

    Peyton Manning's career completion percentage is about 10 points higher than his rookie season. Drew Brees completed less than 60% of his passes his first three years in the league, then had a season at 70%. Steve Young completed around 52-53% for 4 years and ended up hitting 70% in one season.

    None of this means Tebow will do the same, but accuracy is definitely something that can be improved because there are so many other factors that impact it.
  • SportsAndLady
    Your completion % can change, sure...that doesn't mean your accuracy went from bad to good overnight. You can go from a good to great accuracy level but you can't just go from bad to good.

    Those QBs' completion %s went up because of experience, not just because their accuracy got that much better. Just my opinion I guess
  • Speedofsand
    Forget Orton's first year, Tebow's numbers are better than Orton's in 2010.
  • DeyDurkie5
    Speedofsand;861217 wrote:Forget Orton's first year, Tebow's numbers are better than Orton's in 2010.

    you are pathetic. Do you pray to tebow every night?
  • lhslep134
    enigmaax;861167 wrote:I think that point goes back to the statement that you can't improve accuracy. Someone pointed out Orton's numbers the last few years and he's characterized as a solid NFL QB, but he started out pretty shaky (particularly as it relates to accuracy). Just an example of how QB's can improve, including accuracy. Obviously, that isn't an argument for Tebow to start right now, but a statement that his future isn't necessarily doomed.

    While I wholeheartedly agree with that, it doesn't seem what you described was SOS' intent, but whatever.
  • Heretic
    SportsAndLady;861178 wrote:Still trying to figure out how to fix accuracy

    Seems like one of those things you either got it or ya dont

    Hey! On those older Madden NFL games when I was doing a franchise, I was always putting preseason points into throwing accuracy and watching it go up during the season!

    Oh wait...this is real life...whoops.
  • Heretic
    Wuh-roh! Maybe that one great preseason outing WON'T be enough.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Is-Brady-Quinn-pushing-Tim-Tebow-to-third-on-the;_ylt=AgOi9eTtwdVZu.23T9aMXWU5nYcB?urn=nfl-wp5397
  • WebFire
    Tebow might get cut?

    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/303110?eref=fromSI
  • Skyhook79
    Gblock;861182 wrote:hodge had the benefit of a great team and wasnt that great of a player. im a steeler fan but he was way too harsh on tebow. his remarks make it seems like he thinks he's going into the hall of fame. as far as tebow goes i say give it some time. he's certainly as good as some guys ive seen play last year. off the top of my head rusty smith, dennis dixon, charlie whitehurst etc...
    Hoge is being a dick when it comes to Tebow, its obvious he just doesn't like him personally. Hoge said on ESPN just a few minutes ago that Tebow was plain awful in the 3 starts he had at the end of season. He was far from awful for a rookie starting in his first 3 NFL games. Hoge has been very unprofessional in his comments about Tebow.
  • SportsAndLady
    Skyhook79;870145 wrote:Hoge is being a **** when it comes to Tebow, its obvious he just doesn't like him personally. Hoge said on ESPN just a few minutes ago that Tebow was plain awful in the 3 starts he had at the end of season. He was far from awful for a rookie starting in his first 3 NFL games. Hoge has been very unprofessional in his comments about Tebow.

    Link to that?

    I remember Hoge saying he did very well in his limited action last season
  • gorocks99
    Orton has officially been named the opening-day starter in Denver: http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp11/story/_/id/6885532/kyle-orton-denver-broncos-start-qb-week-1-vs-oakland-raiders
  • gorocks99
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArhOaKnMH9rm0N2_1o9U8z5DubYF?slug=ms-silver_denver_broncos_quarterbacks_082311
    As one highly knowledgeable member of the organization told me Monday, “If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy. Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow’s way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I’m telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now.”
  • sleeper
    LOL @ Tebow fans.