Cleveland Browns 2011 Super Awesome In-Season Thread

• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;964596 wrote:If he can't move to RT then I don't see a reason to draft him. I dont want to move the best player at his position (Joe Thomas).

  lol we all know JT isn't moving for anybody.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  thedynasty1998;964149 wrote:Under Mangini, the team always played hard for him, even late in the season. It will be interesting to see how they respond to Shurmur.

  The game against the Steelers last year would indicate otherwise.
• like_that

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;964679 wrote:The game against the Steelers last year would indicate otherwise.

  I would say their last 4 games indicate otherwise. Just typical dynasty spewing shit he doesn't know what he is talking about.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  http://www.nationalfootballauthority.com/2011/11/cleveland-browns-offensive-line.html
  
  Tuesday, November 8, 2011
  
  ClevelandBrowns.com
  By Daniel Wolf
  Senior Writer
  
  The Cleveland Browns have had their fair share of issues on offense this season, which is really just a nice way of saying they have big problems.
  
  After Sunday's loss to the Houston Texans, former St. Louis Rams and Browns offensive lineman Ryan Tucker was on WKYC Channel 3's show Browns Insider, talking about Cleveland's offensive line.
  
  Tucker played in the NFL for 12 seasons at right tackle and right guard, and knows a thing or two about playing in the trenches.
  
  While showing only a couple replays from the Texans game, Tucker pointed out something very interesting in each of the examples shown—the young and inexperienced offensive guards are two of the biggest problems in the pass protection. They are also a big reason why quarterback Colt McCoy continues to get beaten down every Sunday, not to mention a reason as to why the passing game is as inept as it is.
  
  Starting left guard Jason Pinkston is a rookie, and starting right guard Shawn Lauvao is a first-year starter who is only in his second year in the NFL.
  
  Tucker pointed out how the guards were not finding Texans linebacker Brian Cushing pre-snap, since he was moving around from the right to the left side on Sunday. When Cushing moved around, and he did that quite a bit, Tucker said the guards were not aware of his movements and cited how it was also the fault of both center Alek Mack and McCoy for not picking up Cushing's movement.
  
  
  Both guards Shawn Lauvao (pictured above) and Jason
  Pinkston are a big part of the problem on the O-Line.
  (ClevelandBrowns.com)
  This led to Cushing punishing McCoy over and over again. Tucker also mentioned how the guards should have kicked out to pick up Cushing on his blitzes and failed to many times. Cushing finished the game with a sack, a quarterback hit and several pressures on McCoy.
  
  In other words, Tucker is implying the offensive line and McCoy are going through the learning pains of having two first-time starting guards, along with a center and quarterback who are learning a new offensive system—the West Coast offense.
  
  To help support Tucker's observations, reference was made to on ProFootballFocus.com (PFF). If you don't have a subscription to this site, you're really missing out on some fantastic statistical breakdowns, all the way down to individual plays.
  
  Per PFF, the Browns guards have given up a total of three sacks, nine quarterback hits and 21 quarterback pressures. Important to note these numbers are more than the totals from the right tackle position, which has been a problem for the Browns offensive line all season-long, too.
  
  At right tackle, Tony Pashos, Artis Hicks and Oniel Cousins have all spent time at the position, collectively allowing two sacks, six quarterback hits and 23 quarterback pressures.
  
  So, for as bad as Cleveland fans—on Twitter—are complaining about right tackle, know that both guard positions are equally bad, if not worse since it is a combination of two positions and not just one.
  
  This goes to show how important losing left guard Eric Steinbach really was for the offensive line this season. Hopefully, next season, he can get healthy, continue to play at a high level, help the line and help mentor both Pinkston and Lauvao into becoming better guards.
  
  It should also be noted how starting left tackle, Joe Thomas, and Mack are both rated in the Top 15 of their respective positions (Thomas No. 4 overall tackle, Mack No. 14 overall center) by PFF's ratings system. They have given up a total of three sacks, two quarterback hits and 11 quarterback pressures, combined.
• Mulva

  

  I don't think it's surprising that the 2 guard positions combined have allowed as many pressures as the RT position individually.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;964566 wrote:Very tough to do.

  Actually, not really. LT's that were "so so" in college are converted successfully to NFL RT's. One of COA's preferences (Phil Loadholt) over his favorite player of ALL time (David Veikune...) was a LT in college and was immediately converted to RT once he was drafted by the Vikings. Not that he's a "world beater" but Jason Pinkston was a LT for Pitt and he was brought in as a RT/G candidate for the Browns.
• BoatShoes

  Sorry if already posted but I thought this video was relevant.
  
  [video=youtube_share;tRBDMMVctu8][/video]
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Its been posted a few times but what the hell.
• BR1986FB

  Seems optimistic...
  
  http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x574917619/11-reasons-the-Browns-could-be-better-in-the-second-half
• BR1986FB

  Haha..old Wimbley looked like a world beater last night with 4 sacks. Dude is still soft.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Still only has one move too.
• BR1986FB

  Think he beat up on a backup. Basically the equivalent of beating up on Pashos.
• BR1986FB

  Heckert was on Rizzo's show this morning. Don't listen to Riz but I'll regurgitate what I heard he said...
  
  Running back injuries killing the team
  
  Expect more activity in FA in 2012
  
  Will look at QB in the draft, if McCoy doesn't prove himself
  
  Says the biggest challenge was overturning an old roster
  
  Admits they need to bring in "better playmakers"
  
  Nothing earthshaking but it would be nice if they could snag maybe 3 impact free agents. O-Line seems to be where they have been most successful, as of late, with those pickups.
• thedynasty1998

  

  BR1986FB;967784 wrote:Heckert was on Rizzo's show this morning. Don't listen to Riz but I'll regurgitate what I heard he said...
  
  Running back injuries killing the team
  
  Expect more activity in FA in 2012
  
  Will look at QB in the draft, if McCoy doesn't prove himself
  
  Says the biggest challenge was overturning an old roster
  
  Admits they need to bring in "better playmakers"
  
  Nothing earthshaking but it would be nice if they could snag maybe 3 impact free agents. O-Line seems to be where they have been most successful, as of late, with those pickups.

  Very insightful stuff by this Rizzo guy...
  
  I don't know much about the NFL salary cap, but my understanding is they are well below the cap. Is that true? And is it a big advantage heading into an offseason? My understanding is teams can just cut guys to create cap space if they need to.
• BR1986FB

  thedynasty1998;967832 wrote:Very insightful stuff by this Rizzo guy...
  
  I don't know much about the NFL salary cap, but my understanding is they are well below the cap. Is that true? And is it a big advantage heading into an offseason? My understanding is teams can just cut guys to create cap space if they need to.

  Rizzo's just the douchebag holding the microphone. Those are Heckert's comments. Rizzo's nothing but a rumor monger who thinks he, as a sports talk guy, has the "power" to run Browns coaches & front office members out of town as he pleases. smh
• BR1986FB

  TJ Ward out 4-6 weeks...
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  BR1986FB;968111 wrote:TJ Ward out 4-6 weeks...

  
  Release the Hagg!
• like_that

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;968152 wrote:Release the Hagg!

  Wouldn't be surprised if the media tried to push him out now.
• Footwedge

  Browns need to use both first round picks for the best wide receivers available. Don't give a shit who they are...just draft them.
  
  Line problems, running back problems, linebacker problems...who cares? That's what free agency is for. Who's the last Browns pro bowl receiver? Edwards doesn't effin count.
  
  Do we have to go all the way back to Webster Slaughter? Ozzie? (well Oz doesn't count either..he was a tight end)
  
  Okie State's Blackmon has caught 742 passes for 15765 yards this year. Maybe give him a look, no?
• Rotinaj

  

  Maybe 1 of the picks but no way using both on wr.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I actually agree with footwedge...take 2 playmaking WRs, and watch how much better this team gets
• SMITTEMS

  

  I agree that they should grab at least 1 WR in the first and use the other one on the OL. Whether it is the 2nd or 3rd round I would really like to see the Browns grab LaMichael James who is a PLAYMAKER which is def what the browns lack.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  anyone got a link to this game?
• OQB

  

  I called the miss kick at the end of the game......My exact quote: I was talking to a buddy of mine.
  
  "Don't get your hopes up, we haven't had a special teams miscue in a few games. We will miss this kick."
  
  
  Browns are terrible and don't deserve to be on an NFL field.
  
  
  Meanwhile, Shurmur is getting pissed in the presser.
• dazedconfused

  

  it's cool, we're still on the right track to be "bustin for justin." won't be complaining if seattle beats baltimore either