Week 14: Cincinnati Bengals (2-10) at Pittsburgh Steelers (9-3)

• Tiger2003

  

  LJ;597763 wrote:The loss of Holmes really hurt this offense. He was a deep threat but was also money on short routes. He really opened things up.

  
  Wallace is a great deep threat....But Holmes was way better on the short routes.
• gerb131

  

  LJ;597763 wrote:The loss of Holmes really hurt this offense. He was a deep threat but was also money on short routes. He really opened things up.

  
  True. Without Miller nothing underneath unless its to the backs.
• LJ

  

  Tiger2003;597766 wrote:Wallace is a great deep threat....But Holmes was way better on the short routes.

  
  But all you have to do with Wallace is drop a guy over the top. When you had Holmes, Miller and Ward on the field you had to account short for all 3 AND over the top for Holmes. He really opened things up.
• rock_knutne

  gerb131;597717 wrote:Ya'll may beat us but your not going far in the playoffs. Your line is pathetic. I don't keep on Steeler football but I know your missing 1 tackle but is that all?

  
  LMFAO.......yeah and they won't have to play many games to get to the Super Bowl again with a bye and at least one home game. Get a clue!
• Tiger2003

  

  Miller should be back next week, which will help vs the Jets.
• Tiger2003

  

  LJ;597781 wrote:But all you have to do with Wallace is drop a guy over the top. When you had Holmes, Miller and Ward on the field you had to account short for all 3 AND over the top for Holmes. He really opened things up.

  
  Hmmmm what just happened?
  
  Like I said Wallace is a great deep threat.
• gerb131

  

  rock_knutne;597782 wrote:LMFAO.......yeah and they won't have to play many games to get to the Super Bowl again with a bye and at least one home game. Get a clue!

  
  You think they are going to the Superbowl?
• THE4RINGZ

  

  There is the future
• LJ

  

  Tiger2003;597784 wrote:Hmmmm what just happened?
  
  Like I said Wallace is a great deep threat.

  
  I never discounted he was a deep threat, Holmes was a much more dangerous and CLUTCH overall WR. He opened up the offense way more than Wallace does.
• Tiger2003

  

  Mike Wallace
  
  41 Catches 868 Yards 8 TD.
• rock_knutne

  gerb131;597785 wrote:You think they are going to the Superbowl?

  
  I wouldn't count them out.
• Tiger2003

  

  LJ;597788 wrote:I never discounted he was a deep threat, Holmes was a much more dangerous and CLUTCH overall WR. He opened up the offense way more than Wallace does.

  
  Did I disagree with you? No....I said Holmes was better at Short routes...But Wallace is just as good on the deep balls.
• Tiger2003

  

  Suisham is still perfect with the Steelers.
• LJ

  

  Tiger2003;597789 wrote:Mike Wallace
  
  41 Catches 868 Yards 8 TD.

  
  ok? 21 YPC. He's a deep threat. Nothing else. I dunno wtf you are trying to prove? Holmes was a better overall WR and demanded more attention from defenses because he had short and deep threat potential and the potential. He could open up the seam for miller and ward, and also catch it short when they opened it for him, all while having a safety over the top. Wallace just takes out a corner and a safety over the top, whereas Holmes would have LB's bump over to the intermediate zone and open up the middle of the field. Holmes was much harder to scheme against.
• gerb131

  

  rock_knutne;597792 wrote:I wouldn't count them out.

  
  Not saying I would either. Just saying that this offense isn't too good right now.
• Tiger2003

  

  LJ;597799 wrote:ok? 21 YPC. He's a deep threat. Nothing else. I dunno wtf you are trying to prove? Holmes was a better overall WR and demanded more attention from defenses because he had short and deep threat potential and the potential. He could open up the seam for miller and ward, and also catch it short when they opened it for him, all while having a safety over the top. Wallace just takes out a corner and a safety over the top, whereas Holmes would have LB's bump over to the intermediate zone and open up the middle of the field. Holmes was much harder to scheme against.

  
  I better quit arguing with a Mod....how many fucking times do I have to say Holmes was better at the short routes....but I really believe Wallace and Holmes are hand and hand on the long ball...Even when Holmes was on the same team Wallace led the league in YPC.
• THE4RINGZ

  

  The offense has no identity are they a run first team or do they just pull a gameplan out of their ass every week?
• LJ

  

  Tiger2003;597812 wrote:I better quit arguing with a Mod....how many fucking times do I have to say Holmes was better at the short routes....but I really believe Wallace and Holmes are hand and hand on the long ball...Even when Holmes was on the same team Wallace led the league in YPC.

  
  So you agree that Holmes was a better overall WR who opened up the offense more because of his deep play ability as well as his clutch ability in the short and intermediate routes?
• Tiger2003

  

  LJ;597821 wrote:So you agree that Holmes was a better overall WR who opened up the offense more because of his deep play ability as well as his clutch ability in the short and intermediate routes?

  
  How many times do you want me to say Holmes was the better short route runner? But again this is only Wallace second year in the league....
• LJ

  

  Just go down Troy.
• LJ

  

  Tiger2003;597829 wrote:How many times do you want me to say Holmes was the better short route runner? But again this is only Wallace second year in the league....

  
  You didn't answer my question.
• gerb131

  

  Fitting.
• I Wear Pants

  He can agree that Holmes was a better short route runner without agreeing completely that Holmes is the reason the offense isn't doing well. Injuries are a big part of it I think. But some of it is definetely the lack of another guy like Ward who just doesn't drop much.
• Be Nice

  Steelers are good, but there must be a reason for them to be the most hated team in the NFL. Wonder why?
• LJ

  

  I Wear Pants;597839 wrote:He can agree that Holmes was a better short route runner without agreeing completely that Holmes is the reason the offense isn't doing well. Injuries are a big part of it I think. But some of it is definetely the lack of another guy like Ward who just doesn't drop much.

  
  ok? So why doesn't he just say that?