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2quik4u

Leftwich will lead them to the superbowl

bo shemmy3337

Awesome

Prescott

2 accusations of rape.

TWO "Accusations", of a sexual nature , one of which was filed a year after the fact, and ZERO convictions of any crime. I will concede he had a motorcycle accident, but I don't think that is grounds for a 6 game suspension.

If he committed a crime, prosecute him and send him to jail. If you can't prove he committed a crime then you lose.

bo shemmy3337

I do not think he needs suspended and certainly not from the NFL. The team can if they want to but this is BS IMO. I hate Pittsburgh but this is not fair. Mike Vick went to jail for 2 years and only got 2 games. Either way it is funny because its Pittsburgh and GO BROWNS!!!

Pick6

Mike Vick was suspended indefinitely by goodell!

Prescott

The 16 players suspended under the personal conduct policy by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell since he took office in 2006:

• Rocky Bernard (assault, 1 game)

• Michael Boley (domestic abuse, 1 game)

• Fred Evans (fight with police, 2 games)

• Chris Henry (various arrests, 8 games)

• Larry Johnson (simple assault, 1 game)

• Tank Johnson (6 counts of possessing an unlicensed gun, 2 month jail term, 8 games)

• Pacman Jones (various arrests, 16 games, 6 games)

• Marshawn Lynch (weapons violation, 3 games)

• Ricky Manning (felony assault, 1 game)

• Brandon Marshall (various, including assaulting girlfriend, 1 game)

• Bryant McKinnie (street fight, 4 games)

• Rob Reynolds (domestic disturbance, 16 games)

• Ben Roethlisberger (misconduct-no charges/arrests, 6 games)

• Donte' Stallworth (DUI-vehicular homicide, 16 games)

• Fabian Washington (domestic violence, 1 game)

• Michael Vick (federal dogfighting charges, plea agreement, 2 games)

-- Associated Press

SportsAndLady

Prescott wrote:
2 accusations of rape.
TWO "Accusations", of a sexual nature , one of which was filed a year after the fact, and ZERO convictions of any crime. I will concede he had a motorcycle accident, but I don't think that is grounds for a 6 game suspension.

If he committed a crime, prosecute him and send him to jail. If you can't prove he committed a crime then you lose.

STFU dude...Big Ben raped a bitch..get over it

Writerbuckeye

Prescott wrote:
2 accusations of rape.
TWO "Accusations", of a sexual nature , one of which was filed a year after the fact, and ZERO convictions of any crime. I will concede he had a motorcycle accident, but I don't think that is grounds for a 6 game suspension.

If he committed a crime, prosecute him and send him to jail. If you can't prove he committed a crime then you lose.

I posted this on the other thread you started, but it belongs here, too.

Funny thing about having a contract that binds you to the RULES of the league you're in -- you actually have to abide by it.

And it's a contract and they are league rules, so no rule of LAW is necessary. They can decide punishment based on much lesser standards and they are perfectly within their legal rights to do so.

It comes with the territory when you sign multi million dollar contracts to play in one of the world's most exclusive leagues.

Don't like the system?

Don't take the paycheck.

Ben has ZIP to stand on here. He put himself in this because of repeated bad behavior, and the league is perfectly within its rights to punish him however they see fit.

It might be a good idea for Ben to (1) dry up if he's a drunk (which I think he is) and/or (2) get counseling on what proper behavior is when you interact with females.

Running around with your dick outside your pants is not a good idea, Ben, just in case you didn't know already.

killdeer

^^^This.

the tragic thing is that neither Ben (apparently) nor his handlers, realize just how close he is to being "done".

I mean, imagine this...the Rooney's, embarrassed and angered by Ben's extra-curricular activity...trade him to (fill in team name here).
He sits out 6 games. Surprising second-year (fill in name here) takes team to 4-2 record. Ben arrives even fatter and out of shape. He doesn't fit in with the new offensive scheme. Takes a few weeks to get up-to speed. Enters game in week 10 in time to throw 3 INT's, just another day at the park. The team parks him for 2010, as they do not make the playoffs. (Fill in team name here) discusses merit of buying out inflated QB's contract. Even fatter inflated QB becomes free agent. 3 new stud QB's enter the draft.

Ben...meet Jeff George.
Ben...meet Art Schlichter

sad sad sad sad sad sad

same story, different year.

I Wear Pants

SportsAndLady wrote:
Prescott wrote:
2 accusations of rape.
TWO "Accusations", of a sexual nature , one of which was filed a year after the fact, and ZERO convictions of any crime. I will concede he had a motorcycle accident, but I don't think that is grounds for a 6 game suspension.

If he committed a crime, prosecute him and send him to jail. If you can't prove he committed a crime then you lose.
STFU dude...Big Ben raped a bitch..get over it

He raped no one.

Although I think he should have been suspended for being a jackass I think it might have been a bit long of a suspension. Or at least let it be cut down to two games for complying with their counseling, etc.

Prescott

STFU dude...Big Ben raped a bitch..get over it

Then he should be in jail. If he committed a crime, convict him and send him to jail.

Ben has ZIP to stand on here. He put himself in this because of repeated bad behavior, and the league is perfectly within its rights to punish him however they see fit.

I agree.According to the CBA Goodell can do whatever he thinks is fair.

I just happen to think that Goodell went overboard. He made a decision based as much on race as anything else. Make an example of the White Boy.The punishment does not fit the accusation. If I were a player I would do anything I could to change the process so that one person is not the judge, the jury, and the executioner. That is too much power for one man.

Ben...meet Jeff George.

I get the Schlicter reference, but what behavior did Jeff George have that you find questionable?

killdeer

^^^agree with the above...except;

if you sign an NFL contract, you implicitely agree to...not only legally responsible behavior...but behavior the exemplifies a league that is controlled by laws that are exempt and separate from civil jurisdiction. The NFL is a private and investor-controlled entity. If you do not realize this, you do not understand professional sports. His behavior is held to a higher standard than the average citizen, and deservedly so, in light of his potential compensation.

Heretic

Writerbuckeye wrote:
Prescott wrote:
2 accusations of rape.
TWO "Accusations", of a sexual nature , one of which was filed a year after the fact, and ZERO convictions of any crime. I will concede he had a motorcycle accident, but I don't think that is grounds for a 6 game suspension.

If he committed a crime, prosecute him and send him to jail. If you can't prove he committed a crime then you lose.
I posted this on the other thread you started, but it belongs here, too.

Funny thing about having a contract that binds you to the RULES of the league you're in -- you actually have to abide by it.

And it's a contract and they are league rules, so no rule of LAW is necessary. They can decide punishment based on much lesser standards and they are perfectly within their legal rights to do so.

It comes with the territory when you sign multi million dollar contracts to play in one of the world's most exclusive leagues.

Don't like the system?

Don't take the paycheck.

Ben has ZIP to stand on here. He put himself in this because of repeated bad behavior, and the league is perfectly within its rights to punish him however they see fit.

It might be a good idea for Ben to (1) dry up if he's a drunk (which I think he is) and/or (2) get counseling on what proper behavior is when you interact with females.

Running around with your dick outside your pants is not a good idea, Ben, just in case you didn't know already.

That's essentially the truth. There are a lot of things that AREN'T illegal that could get me fired from my place. Like, if I called my female supervisor a "class A bitch" (hypothetically...she's not in reality), I'd probably be told to GTFO. And if I started to get "creepy-obsessive" with a female co-worker, I'd also likely get removed.

The NFL isn't the legal system...it's a business. And if the higher-ups at any business decide the conduct of an employee is not appropriate, action will be taken. My company's code of conduct isn't "as long as you aren't getting convicted, it's cool", so why should his be that way?

And this is rare, writer, but I agree with you...twice in one post (considering you intensely dislike Pittsburgh as much as I do the Browns, we don't have many common points). I think Ben's a drunk, too. Too many "drunk incidents" combined with the less-than-ripped physique he's developed as his career has progressed leads me to believe his off-season program includes a lot of 12-ounce curling.

SportsAndLady

Prescott wrote:Then he should be in jail. If he committed a crime, convict him and send him to jail.

Just like OJ?

BR1986FB

Sounds like the Raiders reached out to the Steelers regarding Ben. Pittsburgh wanted the #8 pick which the Raiders scoffed at when the Steelers wouldn't throw in the #18 pick to sweeten the deal. I don't think he gets moved because I don't see a team giving up any more than a 2nd rounder for him at this point.

Prescott

if you sign an NFL contract, you implicitely agree to...not only legally responsible behavior...but behavior the exemplifies a league that is controlled by laws that are exempt and separate from civil jurisdiction. The NFL is a private and investor-controlled entity. If you do not realize this, you do not understand professional sports. His behavior is held to a higher standard than the average citizen, and deservedly so, in light of his potential compensation.

I have no problem with this and I completely understand. The problem is that is open to interpretation and I don't agree with Goodell's heavy-handed justice when compared to other rulings he has handed down.

For argument's sake, let's say that Roethlisberger was set up and did nothing wrong. What would his remedy be when one guy is the judge, the jury, and the executioner?

I think race had something to do with the severity of the suspension and I also think Roethlisberger's high profile did as well. If Roethlisberger was a black man or not the face of a franchise the suspension would have been less severe.

I think Roethlisberger's behavior, as reported by the media, was reprehensible. Unfortunately, I don't know what happened in Georgia. (I did read the witness statements and I listened very closely to the DA's press conference) Two people know exactly what happened and one of them, the accuser, admitted to being intoxicated at the time. She also knew she was underage , yet she was drinking alcohol.

I am reasonably sure that Roethlisberger's behavior was not admirable. I am also reasonably sure that the accuser, who walked around in public with a "DTF" label on her and chose to drink when she knew she was underage, is guilty of less than admirable behavior as well.

Al Bundy

Prescott wrote:
if you sign an NFL contract, you implicitely agree to...not only legally responsible behavior...but behavior the exemplifies a league that is controlled by laws that are exempt and separate from civil jurisdiction. The NFL is a private and investor-controlled entity. If you do not realize this, you do not understand professional sports. His behavior is held to a higher standard than the average citizen, and deservedly so, in light of his potential compensation.
I have no problem with this and I completely understand. The problem is that is open to interpretation and I don't agree with Goodell's heavy-handed justice when compared to other rulings he has handed down.

For argument's sake, let's say that Roethlisberger was set up and did nothing wrong. What would his remedy be when one guy is the judge, the jury, and the executioner?

I think race had something to do with the severity of the suspension and I also think Roethlisberger's high profile did as well. If Roethlisberger was a black man or not the face of a franchise the suspension would have been less severe.

I think Roethlisberger's behavior, as reported by the media, was reprehensible. Unfortunately, I don't know what happened in Georgia. (I did read the witness statements and I listened very closely to the DA's press conference) Two people know exactly what happened and one of them, the accuser, admitted to being intoxicated at the time. She also knew she was underage , yet she was drinking alcohol.

I am reasonably sure that Roethlisberger's behavior was not admirable. I am also reasonably sure that the accuser, who walked around in public with a "DTF" label on her and chose to drink when she knew she was underage, is guilty of less than admirable behavior as well.

Even if the accuser made some poor decisions, how does the excuse Ben's behavior? You don't have a problem with Ben hiring security to hold back the girl's friends so that he could take advantage of her?

Prescott

Even if the accuser made some poor decisions, how does the excuse Ben's behavior? You don't have a problem with Ben hiring security to hold back the girl's friends so that he could take advantage of her?

Nothing excuses bad behavior by anyone, including Roethlisberger. Her behavior can be a reflection of her character and might put in question the veracity of her accusation.

I did read the statements concerning Roethlisberger's entourage and their part in the alleged transgression. I did not read any statement that included an eye witness account of Roethlisberger taking advantage of anyone.

thavoice

This is what it boils down to......

a young college chick....enamored by a NFL QB, and two drunk people. They have some lovin in a bathroom....chick leaves......her friends go "oh.....my.....gosh.....you just had sex with ben.......he raped you.....he raped you'''''

and that is where we stand.

vball10set

I heard Roethlisberger's lawyer this morning on Mike & Mike, and when they asked him what Ben's thoughts were amid the rumors of a trade, the attorney really sidestepped the question (isn't that what they're supposed to do??) and talked about something else...however, it made me think that there just might actually be something to this trade thing...who knows...

thavoice

THERE WILL BE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRADE OF BEN ROETHLISERGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark that down.

This talk of the steelers listening, of initiating calls is all a scare tactic to the current and futre players that even the franchise QB, one of the faces of the NFL, and still under contract for awhile can e traded. They wont trade him, and after the draft expect them to squash any rumors. They want the perception that he could be traded ut know they wont.

BR1986FB

thavoice wrote:
This talk of the steelers listening, of initiating calls is all a scare tactic to the current and futre players that even the franchise QB, one of the faces of the NFL, and still under contract for awhile can e traded. They wont trade him, and after the draft expect them to squash any rumors. They want the perception that he could be traded ut know they wont.

Don't think so. I don't think he will be traded but that's only because they won't get the value they want for him. I don't see anyone giving up more than a 2nd for him, which the Steelers wouldn't take. The "scare tactics" stuff is a bunch of conspiracy theory bunk. I'd think the Rooney's have a little more class than that.

THE4RINGZ

Have to agree with BR on this one. They would trade him if they could get what they want in return for him. Even a top ten draft pick for him seems a little lopsided. This trade would be about sending a message but not at the price of setting the franchise back 3 or 4 years.

thavoice

I kinda look at this this way......they may be seeing what is out there but what they want....no way they would get for it. They arent comin gou to squash the talk like ron Cook of PPG says they should......

they are entertaining offers ....kinda like when we fuck with scalpers at games when we try to sell our tix for twice face value.....if someone bites hell yeah...but they never do.

Ben will be the qb. When it happens? Unsure becuase he wont be able to practice with the team whilse suspended.

LJ

Here is what I posted earlier in the thread

LJ wrote: I personally don't care about the douchebag shit he has done, I think the Steelers should just let him serve his suspension then move on WITH HIM. How many years did it take to find a franchise QB after Bradshaw retired?(21 years and 10 players) And you want to dump one because he is a perv who hasn't been charged with a crime? Seriously, fuck the "image".

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