ISIS attacks in Paris

• fish82

  

  HighRoller74;1763994 wrote:So...you folks are ok with deporting all muslims because a few "bad apples" or "criminals". But aren't ok with gun control because it's only a few bad apples, or criminals?
  
  Not wanting to turn this in to a giant debate on gun control, as I'm pretty neutral to that idea, just want to understand your (any many others like you) line of thinking.

  My "line of thinking" is that this is that I'm unlikely to read a worse analogy this week.
• Automatik

  

  I once dated a "Middle Easterner."
  
  She was a total bitch, but I trusted her.
• sherm03

  

  Automatik;1764110 wrote:I once dated a "Middle Easterner."
  
  She was a total bitch, but I trusted her.

  The girl that capped my dick in that story I posted on Fab's thread about HJs was Egyptian. She clearly didn't know what she was doing when it came to giving an ol' fashioned, but I don't think she deserved to be deported because of it.
• Automatik

  

  My old roommate was Egyptian, born in Ohio, non practicing Muslim though. Does he get a pass?
• Mulva

  

  fish82;1764108 wrote:My "line of thinking" is that this is that I'm unlikely to read a worse analogy this week.

  I found it to be a pretty valid question.
• QuakerOats

  SportsAndLady;1764102 wrote:They've already found the missing refugee.

  UPDATE 3: This comes from Major Doug Cain with the Louisiana State Police. Louisiana state officials heard about the missing Syrian from the media, and not the Obama administration.
  [INDENT]Louisiana State Police contacted the charity organized that originally resettled the Syrian refugee in Baton Rouge and were told that the individual has been settled with a family out of state. According to the charity, the individual is not missing, but has been resettled outside of Louisiana. It is unfortunate and potentially dangerous that the federal government will not work with state authorities and we have to hear reports of refugee resettlement from the media. Governor Jindal has demanded that President Obama give state authorities more information on this program and has directed the State Police and state agencies to use all available measures to prevent the resettlement of refugees in Louisiana.” – Major Doug Cain, Louisiana State Police
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• QuakerOats

  SportsAndLady;1764102 wrote:They've already found the missing refugee.

  UPDATE 3: This comes from Major Doug Cain with the Louisiana State Police. Louisiana state officials heard about the missing Syrian from the media, and not the Obama administration.[INDENT]Louisiana State Police contacted the charity organized that originally resettled the Syrian refugee in Baton Rouge and were told that the individual has been settled with a family out of state. According to the charity, the individual is not missing, but has been resettled outside of Louisiana. It is unfortunate and potentially dangerous that the federal government will not work with state authorities and we have to hear reports of refugee resettlement from the media. Governor Jindal has demanded that President Obama give state authorities more information on this program and has directed the State Police and state agencies to use all available measures to prevent the resettlement of refugees in Louisiana.” – Major Doug Cain, Louisiana State Police
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• SportsAndLady

  

  QuakerOats;1764120 wrote:UPDATE 3: This comes from Major Doug Cain with the Louisiana State Police. Louisiana state officials heard about the missing Syrian from the media, and not the Obama administration.
  [INDENT]Louisiana State Police contacted the charity organized that originally resettled the Syrian refugee in Baton Rouge and were told that the individual has been settled with a family out of state. According to the charity, the individual is not missing, but has been resettled outside of Louisiana. It is unfortunate and potentially dangerous that the federal government will not work with state authorities and we have to hear reports of refugee resettlement from the media. Governor Jindal has demanded that President Obama give state authorities more information on this program and has directed the State Police and state agencies to use all available measures to prevent the resettlement of refugees in Louisiana.” – Major Doug Cain, Louisiana State Police
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  I think we can all agree the Obama administration is pretty inept. No need to state the obvious over and over again though.
• friendfromlowry

  SportsAndLady;1764122 wrote:I think we can all agree the Obama administration is pretty inept. No need to state the obvious over and over again though.

  He wouldn't have anything to post about then.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Bit of a scare in Hannovver Germany as the Netherlands Germany international friendly was cancelled and evacuated due to a terrorist plot to detonate a device inside the stadium.
  
  Goodness gracious.
• HitsRus

  

  http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/
  
  Transcript of G.W. Bush's address Sept 21, 2001.
  
  Good read in light of the recent events.
• fish82

  

  Mulva;1764115 wrote:I found it to be a pretty valid question.

  
• O-Trap

  

  The correlation is the notion of treating the whole of a population segment a certain way because of the actions of a sample of it that is too small to adequately be said to represent the whole.
  
  Beyond that, there really isn't much of a correlation, but I don't think anyone was really purporting there to be.
• FatHobbit

  

  fish82;1764108 wrote:My "line of thinking" is that this is that I'm unlikely to read a worse analogy this week.

  Does it seem more valid if you flip the script?
  
  
• Glory Days

  

  SportsAndLady;1763987 wrote:Both can be dangerous. If you can't see how Anonymous can be dangerous, I don't know what to tell you.

  dangerous to you, me and most people who rely on technology. not saying ISIS is on par with Bin Laden for how savy he was at the end, but most of the terrorist financing networks use off the grid hawalas and are very compartmentalized. its hard to shut that type of stuff down sitting behind a computer. I am sure they can do some damage to their recruiting etc, but even then, a lot of that is done word of mouth on the ground in the middle east.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Glory Days;1764448 wrote:dangerous to you, me and most people who rely on technology. not saying ISIS is on par with Bin Laden for how savy he was at the end, but most of the terrorist financing networks use off the grid hawalas and are very compartmentalized. its hard to shut that type of stuff down sitting behind a computer. I am sure they can do some damage to their recruiting etc, but even then, a lot of that is done word of mouth on the ground in the middle east.

  They've hacked Fortune 500 companies and large governments, but they can't breach ISIS' servers? I'm not buying that.
• superman

  The first day, they shut down 3800 pro-ISIS twitter accounts.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  SportsAndLady;1764451 wrote:They've hacked Fortune 500 companies and large governments, but they can't breach ISIS' servers? I'm not buying that.

  That's not what he's saying. He's saying a lot of the time they act like independent contractors and aren't reliant on an Internet connection . Thus there isn't a central server to hack.
• O-Trap

  

  Commander of Awesome;1764510 wrote:That's not what he's saying. He's saying a lot of the time they act like independent contractors and aren't reliant on an Internet connection . Thus there isn't a central server to hack.

  This is absolutely true. It's not like you can DDOS them. They don't have a website to learn more about ISIS and its causes or a squeeze page with a "Sign Up Today!" button.
  
  I'm willing to bet that some of their infrastructure does exist digitally, though. If someone were able to get a hold of banking information, communication hubs, or even the local Internet service in the event that they were trying to broadcast something specific, that would cause issues for their cause itself.
• queencitybuckeye

  I'm thankful they did things that got that Manowar asshole from Steubenville off the boards.
• Automatik

  

  I'm thankful for their involvement in the entire Steubenville case.
• majorspark

  

  O-Trap;1764067 wrote:My apologies if it sounded as though I was trying to take you to task. I assure you that I wasn't. As for Anonymous, I made a comparison, because I'm not actually sure they're shaking in their boots about anything whatsoever. My statement was to imply that Anonymous is a greater threat to their infrastructure as opposed to their lives, and while taking their lives would hurt, they seem to be willing to give their lives up for their cause, from which we can infer that they regard the cause a higher priority than their individual lives. That's all I meant to say by that. Anonymous is a bigger threat to the "bones" of their organization.
  
  As for whether or not the leaders believe in their own cause, that's up for speculation, I suppose. I've not seen anything to suggest that the highest authorities either do or don't.

  I get it what you are saying about Anonymous itself being a greater threat to their infrastructure and not their lives. Bombardment from the most powerful nations on the earth is a threat to both infrastructure and life. My point is the advent of anonymous given what they have faced to this point from these nations is not going to scare them. The statement I made about them not shitting their pants is just that simple.
  
  I am not saying their leaders do not believe in the cause. Personally I believe they likely do. Just that they believe its more important for them to live than blow themselves up at this point in time. They see themselves as a greater value to the cause than the minions they deceive and those that should take pleasure in the spoils of the conquest they have led.
  

  O-Trap;1764067 wrote:They are governing from a geographic location, sure. In theory, everyone has to be somewhere. However, even if they choose a locale, they aren't tied to it like someone who is drawing their identity from that location (a national, ie someone who regards themselves as an "American" or "Syrian" first). If push comes to shove, they can still get up and leave the land to whatever fate comes to it without any loss of identity, at least in comparison to where they already are. Unless they're identifying as nationals before they are identifying around an ideal, the land will always take a back seat, it would seem.

  I agree these people are not nationalists. They are religious fanatics who are seizing geography in the region where they believe the final battle will occur and their false god will intervene to save them from the mighty armies of the infidels. The fact is at this point spoils of this geography they have captured does provide them with revenue and means to attack abroad. Unless a great army is raised to remove them from it or the infrastructure contained within the geography they is so completely decimated that only extremely primitive life and commerce can exist upon it these types of attacks will continue. Personally I think it will take the latter followed by the former.
• iclfan2

  

  Obama administration not Letting pilots bomb targets.
  @AnneBayefsky: US pilots: #Obama admin blocking 75% of strikes on #ISIS. Even when target clear. https://t.co/RzgHNSHwju https://t.co/EDEZ8Kc76z
  
  
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• Glory Days

  

  SportsAndLady;1764451 wrote:They've hacked Fortune 500 companies and large governments, but they can't breach ISIS' servers? I'm not buying that.

  my use of the term "network" had nothing to do with computers. ISIS knows they expose themselves to the good guys by going online, using cell phones etc. Hackers cant do much for people who operate underground.
• Classyposter58

  

  majorspark;1764685 wrote:I get it what you are saying about Anonymous itself being a greater threat to their infrastructure and not their lives. Bombardment from the most powerful nations on the earth is a threat to both infrastructure and life. My point is the advent of anonymous given what they have faced to this point from these nations is not going to scare them. The statement I made about them not shitting their pants is just that simple.
  
  I am not saying their leaders do not believe in the cause. Personally I believe they likely do. Just that they believe its more important for them to live than blow themselves up at this point in time. They see themselves as a greater value to the cause than the minions they deceive and those that should take pleasure in the spoils of the conquest they have led.
  
  
  
  I agree these people are not nationalists. They are religious fanatics who are seizing geography in the region where they believe the final battle will occur and their false god will intervene to save them from the mighty armies of the infidels. The fact is at this point spoils of this geography they have captured does provide them with revenue and means to attack abroad. Unless a great army is raised to remove them from it or the infrastructure contained within the geography they is so completely decimated that only extremely primitive life and commerce can exist upon it these types of attacks will continue. Personally I think it will take the latter followed by the former.

  False god? You do realize it is the same God as Christianity and Judaism has right?