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Will there be a Civil War II?

  • HitsRus
    isadore;1737727 wrote:states have powers. people have rights
    Not sure what you are getting at, but I won't engage in a war of semantics. States have rights to "powers" as defined by the 10th amendment in The Bill of Rights.
  • rydawg5
    isadore;1737732 wrote:denying a basic human right to gay couples is bigoted as it was bigoted to deny that right to interracial couples. bigots used the Bible to deny both groups.

    is denying a basic human right to a marriage of 3 adults, in love, as bigoted to deny the right of gay and interacial copules too? Or do you need the media to tell you this for a couple of years to make that statement?
  • isadore
    HitsRus;1737734 wrote:Not sure what you are getting at, but I won't engage in a war of semantics. States have rights to "powers" as defined by the 10th amendment in The Bill of Rights.
    The Bill of Rights describes the rights of people and some minimal powers reserved to the states.
  • HitsRus
    Is the right to marry specifically listed in there?...if it is not, then it should fall within the powers of the state.
  • isadore
    rydawg5;1737735 wrote:is denying a basic human right to a marriage of 3 adults, in love, as bigoted to deny the right of gay and interacial copules too? Or do you need the media to tell you this for a couple of years to make that statement?
    gosh a ruddies
    1. The definition of a couple is two.
    2. There are many polygamists in the Bible. Some of them were God's favorite people (including Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, Solomon, and David). God didn't seem to mind.
  • rydawg5
    isadore;1737738 wrote:gosh a ruddies
    1. The definition of a couple is two.
    2. There are many polygamists in the Bible. Some of them were God's favorite people (including Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, Solomon, and David). God didn't seem to mind.
    What does the bible have to do with this question? I'm asking you. Are you okay with this or are you a bigot too?
  • isadore
    HitsRus;1737737 wrote:Is the right to marry specifically listed in there?...if it is not, then it should fall within the powers of the state.
    Gosh a ruddies not according to the Supreme Court who defined it as a basic right which the states could not deprive people of based on the good old equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment as applied in the Loving decision nearly 50 years ago and reiterated by the Court on June 26th.
  • HitsRus
    ...and who grants the license?
  • isadore
    rydawg5;1737740 wrote:What does the bible have to do with this question? I'm asking you. Are you okay with this or are you a bigot too?
    Gosh a ruddies, no problem between or among consenting adults.
  • isadore
    HitsRus;1737742 wrote:...and who grants the license?
    and who can order them to grant a license based on the Supremacy Clause.
  • rydawg5
    isadore;1737743 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, no problem between or among consenting adults.
    So you and I should get the media on board to attack every group who isn't for polygamy marriage. Those bigots need to know better.
  • isadore
    rydawg5;1737745 wrote:So you and I should get the media on board to attack every group who isn't for polygamy marriage. Those bigots need to know better.
    gosh a ruddies yep it all part of that long arc of progress described by MLK that bends toward justice.
  • rydawg5
    Why does it take so long? Why do we need the media to tell us what is right and wrong if its a basic right?
  • isadore
    rydawg5;1737747 wrote:Why does it take so long? Why do we need the media to tell us what is right and wrong if its a basic right?
    because of the power of hatred and bigotry to slow human progress.
  • HitsRus
    The supremacy clause only applies when CONGRESS has acted within its constitutional authority. Has congress acted on this?....hence the "somersaults" of controversy.
  • isadore
    HitsRus;1737750 wrote:The supremacy clause only applies when CONGRESS has acted within its constitutional authority. Has congress acted on this?....hence the "somersaults" of controversy.
    Congress proposed the 14th Amendment that became part of our Constitution. That gave us all equal protection under the law. Marriage is a basic right that states were denying to interracial couples and gay couples. Now I realize you see it as some sort of somersault to allow interracial couples the right to marry but the court did not see it that way.
  • Al Bundy
    isadore;1737746 wrote:gosh a ruddies yep it all part of that long arc of progress described by MLK that bends toward justice.
    MLK never talked about the gays. You have no idea where he would stand on the issue. You once again are making things up.
  • BR1986FB
    rmolin73;1737729 wrote:Well it appears that someone has declared war on innocent people.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/28/black-churches-fire_n_7681754.html
    Exactly :rolleyes:

    http://thefourthestate.co/2015/06/black-panther-leader-tells-charleston-crowd-kill-every-last-white-man-and-kill-all-of-their-families/
  • isadore
    Al Bundy;1737753 wrote:MLK never talked about the gays. You have no idea where he would stand on the issue. You once again are making things up.
    the statement is applicable to any step forward in human rights.
  • iclfan2
    Shabazz is an anti-Semite and a racist. Basically the black version of a KKK member. Yet the hypocritical media never really mentions that.


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  • HitsRus
    Now I realize you see it as some sort of somersault to allow interracial couples the right to marry but the court did not see it that way.
    No, I don't.
  • isadore
    HitsRus;1737765 wrote:No, I don't.
    obviously you do, the court has rightfully declared marriage a basic right to its citizens, hardly a somersault.
  • Al Bundy
    isadore;1737762 wrote:the statement is applicable to any step forward in human rights.
    King told the gays to get professional help to solve their problem http://barbwire.com/2015/01/19/mlk-homosexuality-problem-solution-2/
  • MontyBrunswick
    Lol, this thread.

    Trolls trolling trolls
  • isadore
    Al Bundy;1737769 wrote:King told the gays to get professional help to solve their problem http://barbwire.com/2015/01/19/mlk-homosexuality-problem-solution-2/
    the long arc of history moves toward tolerance
    a Lincoln or a MLK or the Charleston 9 work move toward greater tolerance
    until white bigots end their individual progress in that direction