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  • thavoice
    gut;1739117 wrote:So how many Confederate flags did people see on July 4th?

    And I can't really figure out why the Confederate flag should be displayed on July 4th. That's kind of like wearing a Cleveland Cavs jersey to the Super Bowl.
    ..or a browns jersey, well, anytime.
  • like_that
    gut;1739117 wrote:So how many Confederate flags did people see on July 4th?

    And I can't really figure out why the Confederate flag should be displayed on July 4th. That's kind of like wearing a Cleveland Cavs jersey to the Super Bowl.
    Congrats, you were actually able to dumb this conversation down enough for thavoice to understand.
  • Bio-Hazzzzard
    gut;1739117 wrote:So how many Confederate flags did people see on July 4th?
    I was in SC over the fourth, saw a bunch of them.

    I met several people at the 4th of July celebration in Greenville. An equally mixed race crowd that was very friendly with little concern of the rebel flag. I think this flag issue is once again the press creating drama.
  • rmolin73
    Bio-Hazzzzard;1739187 wrote:I was in SC over the fourth, saw a bunch of them.

    I met several people at the 4th of July celebration in Greenville. An equally mixed race crowd that was very friendly with little concern of the rebel flag. I think this flag issue is once again the press creating drama.
    How many swastikas do you think are flying high in Germany?
  • Belly35
    rmolin73;1739204 wrote:How many swastikas do you think are flying high in Germany?
    What does it matter? What Germany does is their issue. You care so much for Germany go visit and enjoy your freedom there... good luck.

    Germany
    When traveling to Germany it is important to know that the country’s constitution prohibits racial discrimination in general, but there is basically no case law that specifically deals with it, according to Hendrik Cremer, who has worked with the German Institute for Human Rights since 2007. “Those who want to take action against racist remarks are only able to refer to Section 130 of the Penal Code, which refers to sedition.” The legal hurdles, therefore, are high.
    However, racial insults may not be what Black travelers (Africans, Americans, Caribbean people, etc.) visiting Germany should be most concerned with. Former government spokesman Uwe-Karsten Heye said in a 2006 radio interview that dark-skinned visitors to Germany should consider avoiding the eastern part of the country where racism runs high.
    “There are small and medium-sized towns in Brandenburg, as well as elsewhere, which I would advise a visitor of another skin color to avoid going to,” said Heye. They “might not make it out alive” if they dared set foot in certain towns, he warned.
    Africans and other dark-skinned people in Berlin, Wisner and other cities know certain areas in the eastern part of Berlin, such as Marzahn and Hellersdorf, are “no-go” areas where they are certain to be attacked or killed. It is also reported that German police routinely ignore these racist attacks and Germans, in general, are in denial about the depth of racism in their society.

    - See more at: http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/01/08/8-worst-countries-black-people-travel/#sthash.DAxtzHdp.dpuf
  • rmolin73
    Belly35;1739213 wrote:What does it matter? What Germany does is their issue. You care so much for Germany go visit and enjoy your freedom there... good luck.

    Germany
    When traveling to Germany it is important to know that the country’s constitution prohibits racial discrimination in general, but there is basically no case law that specifically deals with it, according to Hendrik Cremer, who has worked with the German Institute for Human Rights since 2007. “Those who want to take action against racist remarks are only able to refer to Section 130 of the Penal Code, which refers to sedition.” The legal hurdles, therefore, are high.
    However, racial insults may not be what Black travelers (Africans, Americans, Caribbean people, etc.) visiting Germany should be most concerned with. Former government spokesman Uwe-Karsten Heye said in a 2006 radio interview that dark-skinned visitors to Germany should consider avoiding the eastern part of the country where racism runs high.
    “There are small and medium-sized towns in Brandenburg, as well as elsewhere, which I would advise a visitor of another skin color to avoid going to,” said Heye. They “might not make it out alive” if they dared set foot in certain towns, he warned.
    Africans and other dark-skinned people in Berlin, Wisner and other cities know certain areas in the eastern part of Berlin, such as Marzahn and Hellersdorf, are “no-go” areas where they are certain to be attacked or killed. It is also reported that German police routinely ignore these racist attacks and Germans, in general, are in denial about the depth of racism in their society.

    - See more at: http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/01/08/8-worst-countries-black-people-travel/#sthash.DAxtzHdp.dpuf
    How in the hell did you get all of that out of my post? I'm not the one bitching and crying day in and day out about how horrible this country is. But you do constantly thread after thread after thread. Maybe your whining ass should leave.
  • Automatik
    rmolin73;1739227 wrote:How in the hell did you get all of that out of my post? I'm not the one bitching and crying day in and day out about how horrible this country is. But you do constantly thread after thread after thread. Maybe your whining ass should leave.

    People like Belly who incessantly whine about the government don't have the sack or ability to leave if they wanted.
  • Belly35
    rmolin73;1739227 wrote:How in the hell did you get all of that out of my post? I'm not the one bitching and crying day in and day out about how horrible this country is. But you do constantly thread after thread after thread. Maybe your whining ass should leave.
    It's not the country or the people of this great America that my problem its all government wastes, agenda, corruption, fraud, out of touch politicians (term limits), lawyers, judges and a legal system that punishes the citizens but not those who are in Washington ……

    Here is what our Federal government’s task should be:
    “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
    c/a/p Copy and paste

    If our Federal Government, those in Office do not follow the Constitution of the United State and perform the task precisely set by the Constitution first and foremost. Without those simple common task being the primary duties of our Government and Politicians all citizen will suffer and our great nation will be in turmoil…
  • Belly35
    Automatik;1739236 wrote:People like Belly who incessantly whine about the government don't have the sack or ability to leave if they wanted.
    Why would you think about or even comment about leaving that a quitter attitude, but that did come from you, so I can understand that logic.
    Yes I dislike what our government, politicians on both sides are doing to this nation but I’m here for the fight and the long term …

    being cowardly only so long before the spineless will show who you are.
  • BR1986FB
    Oh my, what's that up in the left hand corner of this picture behind one of the "heroes" of Pinko Nation?

    https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11709682_1165745476785439_8298232150510381560_n.jpg?oh=990fb1086eebf9fd4e5b681c67a08050&oe=561B5161
  • Belly35
    BR1986FB;1739279 wrote:Oh my, what's that up in the left hand corner of this picture behind one of the "heroes" of Pinko Nation?

    https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11709682_1165745476785439_8298232150510381560_n.jpg?oh=990fb1086eebf9fd4e5b681c67a08050&oe=561B5161
    ]

    Hillary is that you....
  • BR1986FB
    Belly35;1739295 wrote:Hillary is that you....
    Nah, just some dude with glasses....
  • Belly35
    BR1986FB;1739296 wrote:Nah, just some dude with glasses....
    no that is Hillary for sure
  • BR1986FB
    Belly35;1739297 wrote:no that is Hillary for sure
    Well....that one flew right over your head.
  • believer
    Belly35;1739295 wrote:
    Confederate flag? What difference does it make?
    fify
  • majorspark
    rmolin73;1739204 wrote:How many swastikas do you think are flying high in Germany?
    The Third Reich <> the Confederate States of America therefore the swastika <> the confederate battle flag.

    The atrocities committed against human beings by the Third Reich exceeds anything that any industrialized nation has ever done in modern times. Even the Japanese still fly their flag that flew over other Asian capitals while those held captive by their regime were forced into slavery (including sexual slavery) or killed. Many countries today either fly the same flag or similar elements of it that once represented regimes that used the institution of slavery to build or sustain their empire.

    This flag thing is nothing more than a PC "false flag" to fool everyone into thinking something productive is actually being done about racial hatred and mass shootings. The sad thing is no politician has the balls to come with anything else so we have this.
  • isadore
    majorspark;1739404 wrote:The Third Reich <> the Confederate States of America therefore the swastika <> the confederate battle flag.

    The atrocities committed against human beings by the Third Reich exceeds anything that any industrialized nation has ever done in modern times. Even the Japanese still fly their flag that flew over other Asian capitals while those held captive by their regime were forced into slavery (including sexual slavery) or killed. Many countries today either fly the same flag or similar elements of it that once represented regimes that used the institution of slavery to build or sustain their empire.

    This flag thing is nothing more than a PC "false flag" to fool everyone into thinking something productive is actually being done about racial hatred and mass shootings. The sad thing is no politician has the balls to come with anything else so we have this.
    Gosh a ruddies it is not often that you find a person who denigrates the utter horror of chattel slavery. Major, you are one of the few. The Confederacy was founded to protect and expand that institution. As was admitted in the manifestoes issued by the secession conventions, in statements of the President and Vice President of the Confederacy. And now you demand that African Americans, the descendants of the victims of the Peculiar Institution live under the flag that represented that abomination. Oh and also a flag that represents treason against the United States which hundreds of thousands of brave white and black Union soldiers died putting down. Wow.
  • majorspark
    isadore;1739408 wrote:Gosh a ruddies it is not often that you find a person who denigrates the utter horror of chattel slavery.
    It's not often you find one that denigrates the utter horror of the holocaust. But you find one every now and then.
    isadore;1739408 wrote: And now you demand that African Americans, the descendants of the victims of the Peculiar Institution live under the flag that represented that abomination. Oh and also a flag that represents treason against the United States which hundreds of thousands of brave white and black Union soldiers died putting down. Wow.
    African Americans are not living under that flag in any official capacity. The closest would be the state flag of Mississippi. But I do know this Native Americans are forced to live under a flag that represents what they would see as an abomination. Trail of Tears and being forced onto the shittiest land this continent has to offer. How do you sleep at night.

    The founders committed treason as well and had the revolution been lost they would have hung. Thing is the Federal government after its victory never treated the confederates as traitors granting them amnesty.
  • isadore
    majorspark;1739424 wrote:It's not often you find one that denigrates the utter horror of the holocaust. But you find one every now and then.



    African Americans are not living under that flag in any official capacity. The closest would be the state flag of Mississippi. But I do know this Native Americans are forced to live under a flag that represents what they would see as an abomination. Trail of Tears and being forced onto the shittiest land this continent has to offer. How do you sleep at night.

    The founders committed treason as well and had the revolution been lost they would have hung. Thing is the Federal government after its victory never treated the confederates as traitors granting them amnesty.
    Gosh a ruddies I said nothing to diminish the crime of the Holocaust but you chose to play down the genocide of the Middle Passage and 250 years of chattel slavery. Five Southern state flags have Confederate roots Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida and the Mississippi flag which contains a direct representation. Then you have the Confederate flag displays on state grounds for the use of the people and their representatives as we see in South Carolina. The Trail of Tears caused by the demands of Southern slave holders through their state government to exile the Indians so they could have more land to enslave blacks on. And in 1860 when they thought they might have some opposition to the expansion of slavery, they destroyed the Union.
    Washington and the Patriots revolted to expand freedom, Jefferson Davis left to protect and expand slavery. The flag of slavery has no place in public grounds in America.
  • majorspark
    isadore;1739430 wrote:Gosh a ruddies I said nothing to diminish the crime of the Holocaust but you chose to play down the genocide of the Middle Passage and 250 years of chattel slavery.
    No you didn't and neither did I. I'm just tossing yourself back at you. Surely you can be honest and understand that the unjust enslavement of a race of people does not equal the attempted extermination of an entire race of people and invading other nations to exterminate them were they found them.
    isadore;1739430 wrote:Five Southern state flags have Confederate roots Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida and the Mississippi flag which contains a direct representation. Then you have the Confederate flag displays on state grounds for the use of the people and their representatives as we see in South Carolina. The Trail of Tears caused by the demands of Southern slave holders through their state government to exile the Indians so they could have more land to enslave blacks on. And in 1860 when they thought they might have some opposition to the expansion of slavery, they destroyed the Union.
    Washington and the Patriots revolted to expand freedom, Jefferson Davis left to protect and expand slavery. The flag of slavery has no place in public grounds in America.
    You are so outraged about colors and shapes on a piece of cloth. How do you feel about the POTUS standing under this one. Thousands of American soldiers died during captivity with this flag flying above them. Thousands more were treated inhumanely and forced into labor.


    Also after the confederacy was defeated ask the native Americans out west how well their situation improved.
  • isadore
    The Holocaust was the great atrocity of the 20th century. Chattel slavery was a great crime of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, even if you consider it a minor inconvience for blacks. Millions died on the Middle Passage. Then they suffered through 12 generations of being property, ill fed, ill treated, families broken, beaten, tortured, killed on a whim. The Confederacy was established to protect and extend that system. Japan is an independent nation that can pick its own flag. Germany also a nation choses to banish the swastika, we should follow their example with the despicable flags of the criminal regime of traitors. the CSA. It should be banished from public places.
  • Wolves of Babylon
    majorspark;1739461 wrote:No you didn't and neither did I. I'm just tossing yourself back at you. Surely you can be honest and understand that the unjust enslavement of a race of people does not equal the attempted extermination of an entire race of people and invading other nations to exterminate them were they found them.



    You are so outraged about colors and shapes on a piece of cloth. How do you feel about the POTUS standing under this one. Thousands of American soldiers died during captivity with this flag flying above them. Thousands more were treated inhumanely and forced into labor.


    Also after the confederacy was defeated ask the native Americans out west how well their situation improved.
    I don't know, I think I would rather be killed than be a slave. As the saying goes, give me liberty or give me death

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  • rmolin73
    Wolves of Babylon;1739481 wrote:I don't know, I think I would rather be killed than be a slave. As the saying goes, give me liberty or give me death

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    Drops mike and ends thread!!!!
  • ptown_trojans_1
    Belly35;1739295 wrote:]

    Hillary is that you....
    You all know that is a fake photo?
    majorspark;1739404 wrote:The Third Reich <> the Confederate States of America therefore the swastika <> the confederate battle flag.

    The atrocities committed against human beings by the Third Reich exceeds anything that any industrialized nation has ever done in modern times. Even the Japanese still fly their flag that flew over other Asian capitals while those held captive by their regime were forced into slavery (including sexual slavery) or killed. Many countries today either fly the same flag or similar elements of it that once represented regimes that used the institution of slavery to build or sustain their empire.

    This flag thing is nothing more than a PC "false flag" to fool everyone into thinking something productive is actually being done about racial hatred and mass shootings. The sad thing is no politician has the balls to come with anything else so we have this.
    Few things.
    1. Yes, the Nazi's were worse, but no one is flying their flag for "heritage". The Nazi flag does represent a symbol of hate, and so does the Confederate battle flag.
    2. Japan is a state. The South is not. Yes, there are issues with the Japanese flag, but one cannot compare it to the Confederate flag. The South lost and did not become a country. Two different cases.
    3. I sorta agree on your last point. Sure, it is just a symbol and will not end racism, but come on, it is at least a step in the right direction. The flag is a symbol of hate, rebellion, and protest to civil rights. It does not deserve to be flown on Government grounds.
  • BRF
    It does not deserve to be flown on Government grounds.
    i alluded to this a while back on this thread.

    Thanks for stating it again.