ISIS

• majorspark

  

  Con_Alma;1697127 wrote:This is wonderfully stated.

  
  Zwick is usually a pretty reasonable guy and is able to wade through the bullshit. Not so in this case probably feels threatened by a popular black republican. I have already read that Ben is a plagiarist as well. If the aforementioned don't hold him down look for several blond white women to come out of the wood work and claim Ben wanted to sex them up.
• majorspark

  

  As for ISIS time for the good nations of the earth to put boots on the ground and exterminate these rodents where they have gathered.
• gut

  majorspark;1697311 wrote:Zwick is usually a pretty reasonable guy and is able to wade through the bullshit. Not so in this case probably feels threatened by a popular black republican. I have already read that Ben is a plagiarist as well. If the aforementioned don't hold him down look for several blond white women to come out of the wood work and claim Ben wanted to sex them up.

  It will be interesting to see how the leftist media goes after Benedict Carson.
• Belly35

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1697139 wrote:Yes. Wonderfully. Isis you're to be admired!

  I'm willing to die for my country, protect the innocent, I know 25 Vietnam Vets willing to partake in the hunt.... Crazy old guys with weapons that knows how to use them one last time. Admire me mofo..
• dwccrew

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1697146 wrote:Wrong. Unless you're suggesting our military isn't willing to die for what they believe in.

  As a veteran of the Iraqi war I can tell you that MOST of our military personnel are willing to die for what THEY believe in; however, I believe that most do NOT believe in this fight. At least when I was in Iraq in 2007, most the troops I was with did not believe we were truly liberating Iraq....fast forward 8 years later and we did nothing to "liberate" Iraq. We (US government) plunged it into chaos. Iran has a stronghold on many of the parliament members and ISIS has a large presence there.
  
  Our military will fight and die for what they believe in, but this is not that fight. We aren't defending America's freedom in the middle east at all.
• majorspark

  

  dwccrew;1697396 wrote:Our military will fight and die for what they believe in, but this is not that fight.

  
  
  Our military will fight and die following their orders. They always have. Even while spineless politicians wring their hands unable to order what is necessary achieve total victory. What a shame.
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  dwccrew;1697396 wrote:We aren't defending America's freedom in the middle east at all.

  We really are never directly defending America's freedom unless an enemy is on our shores. Indirectly it gets muddy. Iraq is in the past as for ISIS I really don't care to hear blame as to how they arose. It really does not matter at this point. These people are attempting to set up an evil fiefdom where they can rape and murder with impunity and train and send criminals into any country to murder innocents. Its not about America's freedom. Its about having the power to stop evil killers from setting up an evil government from which to propagate their evil. Its in the interest of any civilized nation to decimate this evil.
  
  These rodents have seized a geographical area of the earth. They are gathering there. Its time for the good nations of the earth to exterminate them where they have gathered. It will take boots on the ground and the political cuffs off to exterminate these vermin. Time to unleash hell on these fucks.
• dwccrew

  

  majorspark;1697423 wrote:
  Iraq is in the past as for ISIS I really don't care to hear blame as to how they arose. It really does not matter at this point.

  I think it does matter. If we know for what reason and how they came to be, we can avoid the situation or stop it from happening in the future. We must understand why our enemy came to be so that we can stop a future enemy from also coming to be IMO.
  

  majorspark;1697423 wrote:These people are attempting to set up an evil fiefdom where they can rape and murder with impunity and train and send criminals into any country to murder innocents. Its not about America's freedom. Its about having the power to stop evil killers from setting up an evil government from which to propagate their evil. Its in the interest of any civilized nation to decimate this evil.

  I agree and I didn't mean we should only fight to defend the U.S.'s freedom, I was using the bullshit that we were force fed about invading Iraq to defend America's freedom as one example.
  

  majorspark;1697423 wrote:These rodents have seized a geographical area of the earth. They are gathering there. Its time for the good nations of the earth to exterminate them where they have gathered. It will take boots on the ground and the political cuffs off to exterminate these vermin. Time to unleash hell on these fucks.

  100% agree with you. We should do whatever it takes to exterminate every single one of these ISIS members until their ideology is completely wiped off the face of the Earth.
• Belly35

  

  The reason to go after iSIS is there for the military men and women to fight for and our country to support... It is the leadership that is lacking. Islamic terrorist ... say it bitch
• majorspark

  

  dwccrew;1697449 wrote:I think it does matter. If we know for what reason and how they came to be, we can avoid the situation or stop it from happening in the future. We must understand why our enemy came to be so that we can stop a future enemy from also coming to be IMO.

  I agree with this. I was speaking in the context of those that would have us do nothing because Bush invaded Iraq and removed Saddam Hussein or Obama pulled out of Iraq too soon or some shit like that. Like you said there are past actions to look at and make adjustments all I am saying is the past whether we erred or not should not prevent us from doing what we must now.
• steubbigred

  we must fight and exterminate the animal vermin that kill unarmed men women and children . these radical pigs need to be extricated from the face of the earth. these sickening cowards cannot just fight on the battlefield ,they have to murder non muslim people in the name of their god .. what god condones such behavior ... most of these idiots have been brain washed and think they will go to some paradise ... lets send all of them there so they can meet all the people they murdered in the afterlife..
• steubbigred

  majorspark;1697423 wrote:Our military will fight and die following their orders. They always have. Even while spineless politicians wring their hands unable to order what is necessary achieve total victory. What a shame.
  [video=youtube;FEABsKGOCCI][/video]
  
  
  
  
  We really are never directly defending America's freedom unless an enemy is on our shores. Indirectly it gets muddy. Iraq is in the past as for ISIS I really don't care to hear blame as to how they arose. It really does not matter at this point. These people are attempting to set up an evil fiefdom where they can rape and murder with impunity and train and send criminals into any country to murder innocents. Its not about America's freedom. Its about having the power to stop evil killers from setting up an evil government from which to propagate their evil. Its in the interest of any civilized nation to decimate this evil.
  
  These rodents have seized a geographical area of the earth. They are gathering there. Its time for the good nations of the earth to exterminate them where they have gathered. It will take boots on the ground and the political cuffs off to exterminate these vermin. Time to unleash hell on these fucks.

  ozzy rules ......let these pigs hear this music as our armies and tanks rush these pigs and shoot them like the dogs they are ....ohh yea ....
• Glory Days

  

  dwccrew;1697396 wrote:As a veteran of the Iraqi war I can tell you that MOST of our military personnel are willing to die for what THEY believe in; however, I believe that most do NOT believe in this fight. At least when I was in Iraq in 2007, most the troops I was with did not believe we were truly liberating Iraq....fast forward 8 years later and we did nothing to "liberate" Iraq. We (US government) plunged it into chaos. Iran has a stronghold on many of the parliament members and ISIS has a large presence there.
  
  Our military will fight and die for what they believe in, but this is not that fight. We aren't defending America's freedom in the middle east at all.

  I disagree. In most wars soldiers don't truly understand why they are fighting. Their job isn't the politics or the bigger picture. They try and relate why they are sitting on a bridge in western Baghdad for 12 hours a night to liberating Iraq, that's not how it works.
  
  not sure how you can say we aren't defending our freedom in the middle east when the only threat to the western world at the moment comes from the middle east. the overwhelming majority of terrorists who have attacked the US and other western countries, trained in the middle east.
• dwccrew

  

  majorspark;1697514 wrote:I agree with this. I was speaking in the context of those that would have us do nothing because Bush invaded Iraq and removed Saddam Hussein or Obama pulled out of Iraq too soon or some shit like that. Like you said there are past actions to look at and make adjustments all I am saying is the past whether we erred or not should not prevent us from doing what we must now.

  Understood, I didn't realize that is what you were pointing out.
  

  Glory Days;1697692 wrote:I disagree. In most wars soldiers don't truly understand why they are fighting. Their job isn't the politics or the bigger picture. They try and relate why they are sitting on a bridge in western Baghdad for 12 hours a night to liberating Iraq, that's not how it works.
  
  not sure how you can say we aren't defending our freedom in the middle east when the only threat to the western world at the moment comes from the middle east. the overwhelming majority of terrorists who have attacked the US and other western countries, trained in the middle east.

  You can disagree all you like, it doesn't change the fact that myself and others I served with were more intelligent than you gave us credit for and formulated opinions on what we were doing there. We knew, it was easy to understand when you were in country and could see the waste. Soldiers don't truly understand why they are fighting? Are you kidding? So WW2 soldiers didn't know? Vietnam vets didn't know? Please! That is insulting.
  
  To your second point, how is fighting in Iraq (in which no terrorists were known to have trained in) defending our freedoms? If we truly were fighting terrorists that were training and plotting against the US we would have invaded Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. That is where majority of the terrorists come from and hide out. I'm sorry, but you have been brainwashed into believing that the fight over there is actually making us safer. What makes the US safer is vigilance on our part in the US. There have been numerous attempts on attacking the US since we had military action in the mid east. The underwear bomber on Christmas day flight into Detroit (thwarted by vigilant passengers, fighting in the mid east didn't stop him from attempting). The times square bomber (his attempt was not thwarted by US military action in the mid east, but by vigilant citizens and law enforcement right here in the US.
  
  Afghanistan at one point was a fight I could support until politicians totally bungled it by trying to call the shots and tying the military's hand behind their back and not allowing the generals to lead as they see fit. Afghanistan was a terror state and wil be once again. The US has lost that war and they don't even realize it yet. The Taliban will take over once US troops leave. Iraq was a loss as well as it is not ran by politicians that are aligned with our enemies. None of this has defended our freedoms nor made us safer IMO.
• Glory Days

  

  dwccrew;1697772 wrote:
  You can disagree all you like, it doesn't change the fact that myself and others I served with were more intelligent than you gave us credit for and formulated opinions on what we were doing there. We knew, it was easy to understand when you were in country and could see the waste. Soldiers don't truly understand why they are fighting? Are you kidding? So WW2 soldiers didn't know? Vietnam vets didn't know? Please! That is insulting.

  you formulated opinions on what you were doing on the ground, not the bigger picture, the politics behind it or anything based on information neither myself or you were given. My soldiers didn't see the enemy organization charts that led back to Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations. They didn't understand how deep Iran had their hands involved in what was going on. They knew Sunni, Shia, AQI and JAM.
  

  To your second point, how is fighting in Iraq (in which no terrorists were known to have trained in) defending our freedoms? If we truly were fighting terrorists that were training and plotting against the US we would have invaded Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. That is where majority of the terrorists come from and hide out. I'm sorry, but you have been brainwashed into believing that the fight over there is actually making us safer. What makes the US safer is vigilance on our part in the US. There have been numerous attempts on attacking the US since we had military action in the mid east. The underwear bomber on Christmas day flight into Detroit (thwarted by vigilant passengers, fighting in the mid east didn't stop him from attempting). The times square bomber (his attempt was not thwarted by US military action in the mid east, but by vigilant citizens and law enforcement right here in the US.

  Terrorists did train there, there were training camps found in the desert. I have never heard a terrorist being trained Saudi Arabia. They may receive funding from wealthy Saudis or the terrorist may even be of Saudi origin, but its not the same. just because the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, doesn't mean anything, we aren't fighting nations.
  
  The underwear bomber happened 2 months after we had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, 2 months with a small military force isn't anything. We've bled AQ dry by fighting them in Iraq. Its not just military either, for example the Treasury department has made moving terrorist money extremely hard.
  

  Afghanistan at one point was a fight I could support until politicians totally bungled it by trying to call the shots and tying the military's hand behind their back and not allowing the generals to lead as they see fit. Afghanistan was a terror state and wil be once again. The US has lost that war and they don't even realize it yet. The Taliban will take over once US troops leave. Iraq was a loss as well as it is not ran by politicians that are aligned with our enemies. None of this has defended our freedoms nor made us safer IMO.

  No doubt politicians bungled it by trying to call the shots. but every radical muslim we kill over there is a win for us.
• dwccrew

  

  Glory Days;1697927 wrote:
  
  
  Terrorists did train there, there were training camps found in the desert. I have never heard a terrorist being trained Saudi Arabia. They may receive funding from wealthy Saudis or the terrorist may even be of Saudi origin, but its not the same. just because the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, doesn't mean anything, we aren't fighting nations.

  I have never heard of any terrorist training camps found in Iraq that were there prior to the US invading, maybe after Saddam's government was toppled as Saddam was a huge enemy of most terrorist organizations. Do you have links to any information on this?
  

  The underwear bomber happened 2 months after we had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, 2 months with a small military force isn't anything. We've bled AQ dry by fighting them in Iraq. Its not just military either, for example the Treasury department has made moving terrorist money extremely hard.

  Very wrong. The underwear bomber happened on December 25, 2009. You are thinking of the SHOE bomber Richard Reid.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_253
  
  Also, while AQ may be bled dry, ISIS and the Taliban are not. ISIS is a relatively new organization and once they are defeated another organization will follow. It is endless. This is purely my opinion, but I feel the best scenario is to let the Arab nations fight groups like ISIS. Let them have a dog in the fight instead of depending on the US to do their dirty work for them. It will also preoccupy the terrorist groups focus on those nations they are fighting with. JMO
  

  No doubt politicians bungled it by trying to call the shots. but every radical muslim we kill over there is a win for us.

  I agree with this.
• majorspark

  

  dwccrew;1697981 wrote:Also, while AQ may be bled dry, ISIS and the Taliban are not. ISIS is a relatively new organization and once they are defeated another organization will follow. It is endless. This is purely my opinion, but I feel the best scenario is to let the Arab nations fight groups like ISIS. Let them have a dog in the fight instead of depending on the US to do their dirty work for them. It will also preoccupy the terrorist groups focus on those nations they are fighting with. JMO

  These types of radical groups tend to flourish when there is a weak central government. Many times the result of an internal civil war. Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Sudan, etc... ISIS arose out of the power vacuum of Syria's civil war and was able to take the western areas of Iraq. There are Arabs fighting ISIS. There are just too many moderate Arab factions busy fighting among themselves. They are just not yet united enough to take on their radicals alone. The new Egyptian president seems to have his balls screwed on right. Time will tell. I read to day where there was a firefight between Canadian special forces and ISIS in Iraq. The result dead ISIS fighters.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  The problem with Carsons quote is it has nothing to do with ISIS as an enemy. That's some stupid bullshit con alma came with. His quote is about religious right wingers fighting to not give into the PC world, all while complementing ISIS for them fighting for what they believe in.
• majorspark

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1697996 wrote:The problem with Carsons quote is it has nothing to do with ISIS as an enemy. That's some stupid bullshit con alma came with. His quote is about religious right wingers fighting to not give into the PC world, all while complementing ISIS for them fighting for what they believe in.

  You said Ben Carson supports ISIS. You are taking the quote out of its intended context because you do not like Carson's political or religious beliefs. If you really believe Ben Carson supports ISIS in any way shape or form you are an abject fool and I was wrong to say you are a reasonable guy. For instance one can acknowledge the reasons the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor or why the Germans got the shaft after WWI and make intellectual points without agreeing with the radical regimes that rose to power during those times. Concerning our civil arguments one can agree and make points with the power the states have under our federal Constitution and yet not agree with the institution of slavery or segregation. Intelligent and educated people can wade through the bullshit. Only the ignorant fall prey to it. Don't be one of them.
  
  As for Ben Carson at this point I am not humping his leg like some are.
• Con_Alma

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1697996 wrote:The problem with Carsons quote is it has nothing to do with ISIS as an enemy. That's some stupid bullshit con alma came with. His quote is about religious right wingers fighting to not give into the PC world, all while complementing ISIS for them fighting for what they believe in.

  ???? Huh
  
  My comments related to what you interpreted as "admiration" by Dr. Carson for ISIS as opposed. So now it's just a compliment??
  
  However you see it his oratory was wonderfully stated.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  majorspark;1698083 wrote:You said Ben Carson supports ISIS. You are taking the quote out of its intended context because you do not like Carson's political or religious beliefs. If you really believe Ben Carson supports ISIS in any way shape or form you are an abject fool and I was wrong to say you are a reasonable guy. For instance one can acknowledge the reasons the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor or why the Germans got the shaft after WWI and make intellectual points without agreeing with the radical regimes that rose to power during those times. Concerning our civil arguments one can agree and make points with the power the states have under our federal Constitution and yet not agree with the institution of slavery or segregation. Intelligent and educated people can wade through the bullshit. Only the ignorant fall prey to it. Don't be one of them.
  
  As for Ben Carson at this point I am not humping his leg like some are.

  Oh stop it. It was stated to point out his idiotic comment. Of course he doesn't support ISIS, but complementing their fight b/c you want your followers to fight back is an idiotic thing to do.. as I pointed out.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Con_Alma;1698103 wrote:???? Huh
  
  My comments related to what you interpreted as "admiration" by Dr. Carson for ISIS as opposed. So now it's just a compliment??
  
  However you see it his oratory was wonderfully stated.

  
  ??? huh ???
  
  Not surprised you don't get it.
• Con_Alma

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1698105 wrote:??? huh ???
  
  Not surprised you don't get it.

  What I do get is that you stated my comments were about ISIS being the enemy.
  
  That's not what my comments were about at all. Is that really what you got out of my comments on your original post?
• steubbigred

  fucking filthy pigs these terrorists are .
• Automatik

  

  Preach on bruh!
• steubbigred

  filthy pigs