ISIS

• thavoice

  rydawg5;1695978 wrote:I'm not saying there aren't bad guys or real lol. An example I would use would be red scare. It's not that Russia/communists weren't a threat but the situation was escalated with propaganda and fear. It allows things to happen due to emotion and fear that may not otherwise has happened.
  
  It's just my opinion. I don't think what I'm saying is outlandish but if it comes off that way I'll do my best to clarify
  
  
  
  
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  Very much so, on both sides.
  
  But, and I could be wrong, I dont remember Russia, or the US, going around and doing what ISIS is doing.
  
  We all want to label and put the bad people into groups. I dont know how closely those splinter cells actually work together or if they just take up the name to give themselves instant credibility. Doesnt really matter. At this point they need to be stopped no matter what they want to call themselves.
• friendfromlowry

  Belly35;1695921 wrote:Bad guys are real and so are the swords and bullet that rip throw ones body. When government failure to protect it's citizen (Obama Administration cluster fuck ideology and Socialist government) then people like me what’s their government to get back to basic and protect it citizen and boarders or people like me will pick up their weapons and this is what the government does not want.. A armed citizen want freedom
  So when government failure to protect it citizen, citizen take back its rights and protects themselves and pressuring the government to something they have no back bone in doing ... admitting of wrong and doing something about it ..

  Hey look, a post where Belly unnecessarily insults Obama while reminding us he owns guns and isn't afraid to use them in the event of total anarchy.
• friendfromlowry

  rydawg5;1695978 wrote:I'm not saying there aren't bad guys or real lol. An example I would use would be red scare. It's not that Russia/communists weren't a threat but the situation was escalated with propaganda and fear. It allows things to happen due to emotion and fear that may not otherwise has happened.
  
  It's just my opinion. I don't think what I'm saying is outlandish but if it comes off that way I'll do my best to clarify
  
  
  
  
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  Do you have an example not from 65 years ago?
• Heretic

  

  friendfromlowry;1695988 wrote:Hey look, a post where Belly unnecessarily insults Obama while reminding us he owns guns and isn't afraid to use them in the event of total anarchy.

  Or possibly to cause said anarchy since he seems to want to start a riot to convince the government to...uh...??????.....PROFIT!!!!
• thavoice

  friendfromlowry;1695988 wrote:Hey look, a post where Belly unnecessarily insults Obama while reminding us he owns guns and isn't afraid to use them in the event of total anarchy.

  I am not a fan of the current President, but I will always respect the office.
  WIth that said, those who always have to turn everything back onto the President just gets very annoying and soon you lose the respect of 'normal' thinking people. Yes, FoxNews, I am talking about you too!
  When Mr Bush was President CNN was unwatchable, and now that a Dem is in FNC is unwatchable.
  Belly fits this description as well. It just gets old when you blame the President for everything. Just like when the Dems did it to Bush......but I digress.
• Heretic

  

  thavoice;1696000 wrote:I am not a fan of the current President, but I will always respect the office.
  WIth that said, those who always have to turn everything back onto the President just gets very annoying and soon you lose the respect of 'normal' thinking people. Yes, FoxNews, I am talking about you too!
  When Mr Bush was President CNN was unwatchable, and now that a Dem is in FNC is unwatchable.
  Belly fits this description as well. It just gets old when you blame the President for everything. Just like when the Dems did it to Bush......but I digress.

  In my opinion, the people that constantly do that are equal to a really annoying commercial spokesperson. On one hand, you have people saying that they're effective because you'll pay attention to them and you remember what they're advertising. Which is true, but on the other...if you're hungry, are you going to think "Yeah, Wendy's because of that annoying ginger bitch who always is making 'witty' food-related comments to her hipster goof friends!"? Just like, is anyone going to be "Hey, Belly mashed buttons on a keyboard to make his 1000th anti-Obama/left post this year! I guess I better reevaluate all my beliefs and opinions!"
  
  Annoying commercials, annoying politards...hot air and empty noise all the way around.
• thavoice

  Heretic;1696021 wrote:In my opinion, the people that constantly do that are equal to a really annoying commercial spokesperson. On one hand, you have people saying that they're effective because you'll pay attention to them and you remember what they're advertising. Which is true, but on the other...if you're hungry, are you going to think "Yeah, Wendy's because of that annoying ginger bitch who always is making 'witty' food-related comments to her hipster goof friends!"? Just like, is anyone going to be "Hey, Belly mashed buttons on a keyboard to make his 1000th anti-Obama/left post this year! I guess I better reevaluate all my beliefs and opinions!"
  
  Annoying commercials, annoying politards...hot air and empty noise all the way around.

  Or that Flo lady......Hell, some turd bucket on here had a Progressive Party on New Years where I guess everyone dresses up like Flo.....
  Commercials are all about remembering the brand and it sticking in your head. They would rather have an annoying Flo or Wendy lady over a nondescript campaign. Hell, look at Geico, it obviously is working as everyone knows the brand but they dont tell you a damned thing about the product. All about keeping your name on the brains of the consumers.
  
  The last 15+ years have shown the full spectrum. Those Republicans who bitched and moaned that the Dems blamed everything on him, are now doing the same exact thing the other way.
  
  but anyways....about ISIS. They are bad.
• Heretic

  

  thavoice;1696029 wrote:Or that Flo lady......Hell, some turd bucket on here had a Progressive Party on New Years where I guess everyone dresses up like Flo.....
  Commercials are all about remembering the brand and it sticking in your head. They would rather have an annoying Flo or Wendy lady over a nondescript campaign. Hell, look at Geico, it obviously is working as everyone knows the brand but they dont tell you a damned thing about the product. All about keeping your name on the brains of the consumers.
  
  The last 15+ years have shown the full spectrum. Those Republicans who bitched and moaned that the Dems blamed everything on him, are now doing the same exact thing the other way.
  
  but anyways....about ISIS. They are bad.

  Now, are we sure about that? A lot of this thread's discussion has been whether we are vilifying ISIS, when it could be Al Queda or some other faction! We don't want to besmirch the good name of ISIS, now, do we, as they are far more classy when it comes to bombings, murder and other acts of terror!
• thavoice

  Heretic;1696030 wrote:Now, are we sure about that? A lot of this thread's discussion has been whether we are vilifying ISIS, when it could be Al Queda or some other faction! We don't want to besmirch the good name of ISIS, now, do we, as they are far more classy when it comes to bombings, murder and other acts of terror!

  I really dont care what they are called, or whom they are affiliated with. Bad guys are bad guys and they call themselves whatever....
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Ben Carson supports ISIS
• Con_Alma

  I really like Dr. Carson. Don't have any idea if he would make a good Pres. or not. He's started his exploratory committee this week I believe. I'm not sure if he's socially conservative enough for me. I've got a lot more to learn about him yet.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1697027 wrote:Ben Carson supports ISIS

  I'm sure he does. But so do you and I, with our tax dollars.
• gut

  Con_Alma;1697028 wrote:I'm not sure if he's socially conservative enough for me. I've got a lot more to learn about him yet.

  Really? He appears to be fairly far to the right of nearly all of the contenders.
  
  He's obviously extremely smart. I don't know that he's very strong on business or economics. And as much disdain as we have for the political game, you do need experience to navigate it. Not that leadership isn't somewhat a natural trait, but getting people who don't report to you to follow and set aside their own agendas is a very different world. It's a nice thought that common sense and logic would rule the day, but not in politics.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  “A bunch of rag-tag militiamen defeated the most powerful and professional military force on the planet. Why? Because they believed in what they were doing. They were willing to die for what they believed in,” Carson told a luncheon audience of national committee members. “Fast forward to today. What do we have? You’ve got ISIS. They’ve got the wrong philosophy, but they’re willing to die for it while we are busily giving away every belief and every value for the sake of political correctness. We have to change that.”
• QuakerOats

  One thing is for sure: the terrorists just increased their enlisted force by 5 as obama released Yemeni-related jihadists from Gitmo ......... I assume to try and make things fairer.
  
  
  
  
  
  Hard to believe that we elected the enemy .......................... twice.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  QuakerOats;1697050 wrote:One thing is for sure: the terrorists just increased their enlisted force by 5 as obama released Yemeni-related jihadists from Gitmo ......... I assume to try and make things fairer.
  
  
  
  
  
  Hard to believe that we elected the enemy .......................... twice.

  Right, because conducting war in the Middle East for the past 14 years is irrelevant to the cause of this...it's Obama's bedtime that's causing it all.
• Con_Alma

  gut;1697041 wrote:Really? He appears to be fairly far to the right of nearly all of the contenders.
  
  He's obviously extremely smart. I don't know that he's very strong on business or economics. And as much disdain as we have for the political game, you do need experience to navigate it. Not that leadership isn't somewhat a natural trait, but getting people who don't report to you to follow and set aside their own agendas is a very different world. It's a nice thought that common sense and logic would rule the day, but not in politics.

  He may be fairly far to the right of all contenders but so am I. I need to see if he's far enough for me.
• Rotinaj

  

  Time will tell.
• Con_Alma

  Rotinaj;1697122 wrote:Time will tell.

  ...only if I investigate his positions. Otherwise, all the time in the world could go by and I still wouldn't know.
• Con_Alma

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1697047 wrote:“A bunch of rag-tag militiamen defeated the most powerful and professional military force on the planet. Why? Because they believed in what they were doing. They were willing to die for what they believed in,” Carson told a luncheon audience of national committee members. “Fast forward to today. What do we have? You’ve got ISIS. They’ve got the wrong philosophy, but they’re willing to die for it while we are busily giving away every belief and every value for the sake of political correctness. We have to change that.”

  This is wonderfully stated.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Con_Alma;1697127 wrote:This is wonderfully stated.

  Yes. Wonderfully. Isis you're to be admired!
• Con_Alma

  Admired? Hmmm. There's a difference between admiration and acknowledgement of your enemies strengths as compared to your own.
  
  I think the importance of doing so is well defined by Sun Tszu's The Art of War ...specifically Chapter 6.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Con_Alma;1697141 wrote:Admired? Hmmm. There's a difference between admiration and acknowledgement of your enemies strengths as compared to your own.
  
  I think the importance of doing so is well defined by Sun Tszu's The Art of War ...specifically Chapter 6.

  Wrong. Unless you're suggesting our military isn't willing to die for what they believe in.
• Con_Alma

  I haven't suggested that at all.
  
  Recognizing reckless tactics of ISIS with their full investment of resources while the U.S. withholds their full arsenal of firepower tells us which side wants to win at all costs. Stating as much is hardly expressing admiration.
• Con_Alma

  It's not about whether our military is willing to die for what they believe in like those in ISIS are but rather is our Commander-In-Chief willing to ask our military to do so, with all of our resources behind them, in order to stand up for what the U.S. believes is right.
  
  We don't currently do so and that has to be changed.
  
  If you interpret Dr. Carson's spirit of intent as they relate to his comments differently than that, then he's clearly not the candidate for you. A person who is less willing to utilize our militarily at full strength when the U.S. engages might better reflect your ideology.
  
  As for me, I will be searching for a social conservative that is militarily supportive and believes in the strength as a super power to be used as our greatest diplomacy tool. I need someone to commit to holding off as long as possible militarily but when the decision is made to engage, we leave no doubt.