Can Science and Religion co exist?

• Devils Advocate

  

  
• cruiser_96

  

  sleeper;1608681 wrote:You do know around the time of Jesus you had multiple prophets trying to proclaim themselves as a holy beings. They also had followers who would try to convince others of this fact and would have grandiose stories of lore detailing their miracles. No one is exactly sure why the story of Jesus still lives today but many think that he was simply the most influential of the prophets at the time(ie. had the most followers). I wouldn't say Jesus is Lord, that can never be nor will ever be proven, but he most certainly was a liar and probably a lunatic(or most appropriately a businessman).
  
  You do realize your entire beliefs are based solely on a book that was written by people who had a strong incentive to convince others that Jesus was Lord correct? The Bible isn't exactly an unbiased historical document, but rather propaganda by a charlatan. Sorry reality and facts get in the way some times.

  
  Multiple, huh? Any names? Scratch that. Any of them rise from the dead? Because Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to a little over 500 people for the forty days afterwards.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  cruiser_96;1608889 wrote:Multiple, huh? Any names? Scratch that. Any of them rise from the dead? Because Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to a little over 500 people for the forty days afterwards.

  I'm sure he did little buddy.
• cruiser_96

  

  Hey now! You haven't answered my last question to you. No reps. Not even on Wednesday.
• HitsRus

  

  The fanatical atheists are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against traditional religion as the "opium of the masses"—cannot hear the music of the spheres.”
  ― Albert Einstein

  Truth be told.
• gut

  So, 20+ pages in...has anyone in this thread definitively proven whether God does or does not exist?
• cruiser_96

  

  gut;1608932 wrote:So, 20+ pages in...has anyone in this thread definitively proven whether God does or does not exist?

  The crazy thing... That wasn't the original intent!!!
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^yep....this thead is just another atheist circle jerk 'cause they have no church to go to:RpS_w00t:.
  
  As far as the original post, the answer is YES!...science and religion can co-exist. What has been proved through observation of this thread, is that atheists and religion cannot....and maybe more specifically, Christianity.
• Devils Advocate

  

  
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1608889 wrote:Multiple, huh? Any names? Scratch that. Any of them rise from the dead? Because Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to a little over 500 people for the forty days afterwards.

  A quick Google will give you more names than your body has room for if you are truly interested. Did any of them rise from the dead? No. Neither did Jesus.
• sleeper

  

  gut;1608932 wrote:So, 20+ pages in...has anyone in this thread definitively proven whether God does or does not exist?

  If by god you mean the traditional religious god that a majority of the population believes in, yes; we have effectively proven he doesn't exist using logic and reason. If by god you mean a deistic type of which has no religious implications, then no; this is impossible to prove whether it does exist or not.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1608981 wrote:^^^yep....this thead is just another atheist circle jerk 'cause they have no church to go to:RpS_w00t:.
  
  As far as the original post, the answer is YES!...science and religion can co-exist. What has been proved through observation of this thread, is that atheists and religion cannot....and maybe more specifically, Christianity.

  Fiction and science are also able to co-exist as well. I'm not sure that anyone ever argued this point.
  
  I'm not really sure this is an atheist circle jerk but it seems atheists are the only ones pointing out logic and reason though fact based evidence whereas the believers only have their faith and a biased religious book written thousands of years ago. If by 'circle jerk' you mean an absolute dressing down of religious belief in its entirety, then yes this may be one of the biggest circle jerks ever.
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1608898 wrote:Hey now! You haven't answered my last question to you. No reps. Not even on Wednesday.

  We've answered plenty of your questions but when your logical progression from non-believer to believer is the fact that Jesus, in his own book written by his own people, claimed to be the Son of God and that no one would ever lie about that, its a little hard to take you seriously. Part of religious belief is being disingenuous to any logical debate because once again believers are not interested in the truth, they are interested in spreading their ignorance to the masses.
• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1608981 wrote:^^^yep....this thead is just another atheist circle jerk 'cause they have no church to go to:RpS_w00t:.
  
  As far as the original post, the answer is YES!...science and religion can co-exist. What has been proved through observation of this thread, is that atheists and religion cannot....and maybe more specifically, Christianity.

  Very true. Growing up, I remember avidly reading science fiction novels, so I agree!
• HitsRus

  

  Fiction and science are also able to co-exist as well. I'm not sure that anyone ever argued this point.

  I remember avidly reading science fiction novels, so I agree!

  You can't argue the point because it is 100% verifiable fact, your tongue in cheek references to 'fiction' not withstanding. Buddhists, Hindus, Roman Catholics and more ALL embrace science as revelatory.
  Statements that the Bible is all "made up" for spurious reasons, should be viewed suspiciously not only because they come with no proof but also within the context of the motives of the 'accuser'.
  

  atheists are the only ones pointing out logic and reason though fact based evidence whereas the believers only have their faith and a biased religious book written thousands of years ago.

  How disingenuous and delusional to claim 'logic and reason' when I have pointed out numerous failings in the logic of your arguments over the course of this thread. The only thing you might have accomplished at best is to point out errors in a literal interpretation of the Bible, and poke fun at Christian fundamentalists. But from there you have generalized and cast aspersions at all religions and 'believers'.
  
  Modern scientific method is only a few centuries old, yet human history encompasses thousands of years. Writings and scriptures of that era were not meant to be scientific, and must be viewed today subject to interpretation and context. That it might seem 'made up' does not invalidate the message they were meant to convey.
  Pope John Paul II said this eloquently explaining that the biblical account of Genesis speaks to us not as a scientific treatise, but in order to state the correct relationships of man with God and universe. The scripture is a declaration that God created the universe issued in the understandable cosmology of the time period.
• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1609261 wrote:Statements that the Bible is all "made up" for spurious reasons, should be viewed suspiciously not only because they come with no proof but also within the context of the motives of the 'accuser'.

  Well, of course the Bible isn't all made up. A number of its books concern the history of the kingdom and its rulers — people who can be historically documented. It's all the fairy tale stuff scattered around that actual history which is likely (as in 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% likely, to give a fair possibility of legitimacy to deities speaking through burning bushes, a dude taking two of every species on a boat, a guy getting swallowed by a big fish or whale so he'd speak where told, a guy rising from the dead and other such mystical tales) made up.
  
  Unless, of course, you prefer to live in a bubble where, once upon a time, deities walked the earth with man and were constantly judging and condemning them...but now only occasionally appear in some peasant's tortilla shell.
• Rotinaj

  

  Apparently there is a Bill Nye and Ken Ham creation debate on TV. 8-10:30.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1609261 wrote:You can't argue the point because it is 100% verifiable fact, your tongue in cheek references to 'fiction' not withstanding. Buddhists, Hindus, Roman Catholics and more ALL embrace science as revelatory.
  Statements that the Bible is all "made up" for spurious reasons, should be viewed suspiciously not only because they come with no proof but also within the context of the motives of the 'accuser'.
  
  
  
  How disingenuous and delusional to claim 'logic and reason' when I have pointed out numerous failings in the logic of your arguments over the course of this thread. The only thing you might have accomplished at best is to point out errors in a literal interpretation of the Bible, and poke fun at Christian fundamentalists. But from there you have generalized and cast aspersions at all religions and 'believers'.
  
  Modern scientific method is only a few centuries old, yet human history encompasses thousands of years. Writings and scriptures of that era were not meant to be scientific, and must be viewed today subject to interpretation and context. That it might seem 'made up' does not invalidate the message they were meant to convey.
  Pope John Paul II said this eloquently explaining that the biblical account of Genesis speaks to us not as a scientific treatise, but in order to state the correct relationships of man with God and universe. The scripture is a declaration that God created the universe issued in the understandable cosmology of the time period.

  I'm not sure what else to respond with that I haven't already discussed earlier in this thread. This wasn't a debate but a STOMP on the belief systems you try to defend.
  
  When are you going to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales? The amount of rationalization that you have to go through to even make the smallest of points should be the best signal to seek professional medical help.
• sleeper

  

  Also my favorite argument is pointing out that I'm making generalizations and therefore I am wrong because not ALL religions operate in such and such way. I get it. The reality is all religions are complete money making schemes designed to prey on the poor and stupid. This isn't a generalization, this is a FACT. Like I've said, when are you going to grow up and admit the entire thing is made up?
• HitsRus

  

  The reality is all religions are complete money making schemes designed to prey on the poor and stupid

  please support that....all religions.
  
  You are the one needing mental help....and a course in logic too.
• jmog

  Rotinaj;1609556 wrote:Apparently there is a Bill Nye and Ken Ham creation debate on TV. 8-10:30.

  That happened a few weeks ago, it anything it is a replay of the recorded video.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1609816 wrote:please support that....all religions.
  
  You are the one needing mental help....and a course in logic too.

  Faith.
• HitsRus

  

  Well, you are the one making the assertions....
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1609885 wrote:Well, you are the one making the assertions....

  Like a religious based god?
  
  My assertions are based on logic and reason. Why else would a group create a religion? For the lulz? Scientology does exactly what the Catholic church does they are just less established.
• cruiser_96

  

  sleeper: In your mind, is it possible to distinguish between religion and theism?