Can Science and Religion co exist?

• Heretic

  

  Devils Advocate;1607141 wrote:Jesus. The original zombie story. Back from the dead and still eating brains for almost 2 thousand years.

  Back in the day, guns hadn't been invented and so, no one knew that a headshot was the way to eliminate zombies.
  
  Poor primitives...
• WebFire

  cruiser_96;1607130 wrote:He is risen! Risen indeed!!!
  
  #EmptyTomb

  Where did he go?
• sleeper

  

  WebFire;1607371 wrote:Where did he go?

  He opened up heaven. Before Jesus died, no one went to heaven because don't you know if a mythical environment god's son must be sent to Earth for a bit, die, and then heaven can be opened. For being an all powerful god who creates the rules, he sure as shit is pretty inefficient on how to handle the afterlife.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Jesus worked with wood, rubbed feet to "heal" people, had a bunch of dudes at his disposal, and never fucked anyone.
  
  I'd say he definitely set the bar for priests and their love of little boys
• cruiser_96

  

  WebFire;1607371 wrote:Where did he go?

  He hung around for roughly 40 additional days - 500 of whom were still alive when Paul was doing his missionary trips. Then he ascended to heaven on the day of Pentecost. Have you not read the account? Check it out - late chapters of the gospels and on into the first few chapters of Acts.
• dlazz

  cruiser_96;1607462 wrote:He hung around for roughly 40 additional days - 500 of whom were still alive when Paul was doing his missionary trips. Then he ascended to heaven on the day of Pentecost. Have you not read the account? Check it out - late chapters of the gospels and on into the first few chapters of Acts.

  I thought I was reading the Game of Thrones thread for a second.
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1607462 wrote:He hung around for roughly 40 additional days - 500 of whom were still alive when Paul was doing his missionary trips. Then he ascended to heaven on the day of Pentecost. Have you not read the account? Check it out - late chapters of the gospels and on into the first few chapters of Acts.

  Curious why did Jesus need to rise again? Was turning water into wine and curing leprosy with the touch of a hand not convincing enough? How did Jesus die the second time? Heart disease?
• sleeper

  

  The more I write and think about religion the more I think a belief in one should be classified as a mental disorder. You have to be some kind of dumb to believe in this crap if you spend even 15 minutes asking some basic questions about what you allegedly believe.
• Heretic

  

  sleeper;1607403 wrote:He opened up heaven. Before Jesus died, no one went to heaven because don't you know if a mythical environment god's son must be sent to Earth for a bit, die, and then heaven can be opened. For being an all powerful god who creates the rules, he sure as shit is pretty inefficient on how to handle the afterlife.

  I just feel bad for all the people who lived and died before Christianity took hold. They're fucked; doomed to a hell they never knew existed because they didn't believe in a deity they didn't know existed at the time.
  
  It's good for the American Indians that Europeans came over here to give them smallpox and slavery while taking their land, because even though it seems like they got the short end of the stick as far as short-term matters go, they learned about their immortal souls and how to achieve salvation, as opposed to their heathen ancestors, who lived in pure freedom with the land, but worshipped foxes and shit, and therefore were eternally damned.
• Con_Alma

  Heretic;1607482 wrote:I just feel bad for all the people who lived and died before Christianity took hold. They're fucked; doomed to a hell they never knew existed because they didn't believe in a deity they didn't know existed at the time.
  
  ...

  Not necessarily. That's been addressed on here before.
• sleeper

  

  Heretic;1607482 wrote:I just feel bad for all the people who lived and died before Christianity took hold. They're fucked; doomed to a hell they never knew existed because they didn't believe in a deity they didn't know existed at the time.
  
  It's good for the American Indians that Europeans came over here to give them smallpox and slavery while taking their land, because even though it seems like they got the short end of the stick as far as short-term matters go, they learned about their immortal souls and how to achieve salvation, as opposed to their heathen ancestors, who lived in pure freedom with the land, but worshipped foxes and shit, and therefore were eternally damned.

  I find the timing of all these events to be fairly suspect as well. God chooses a time to do all these grandiose miracles at a time when 90% of the population was illiterate and with no modern technology to record any of the events.
  
  In other words, god is either the biggest dumbass ever or relies solely on faith because there's no other way to believe in any of this shit.
• dlazz

  sleeper;1607487 wrote:
  In other words, god is either the biggest dumbass ever

  Wow. Just punched your ticket to hell. The Bible says so. It says so because people wrote it thousands of years ago, back when people were burned at the stake for being witches.
• Heretic

  

  dlazz;1607495 wrote:Wow. Just punched your ticket to hell. The Bible says so. It says so because people wrote it thousands of years ago, back when people were burned at the stake for being witches.

  Well, technically, back then, they just had people throw rocks at them until they died because they were too stupid to realize fire was more efficient.
  
  Which probably goes a long way towards explaining why religion was taken so seriously back then.
• sleeper

  

  dlazz;1607495 wrote:Wow. Just punched your ticket to hell. The Bible says so. It says so because people wrote it thousands of years ago, back when people were burned at the stake for being witches.

  After seeing the world god created, hell doesn't sound so bad. People actually want to live with a guy, forever, that created HIV that kills millions of children each year as part of his plan. This is who you worship. LOL
• cruiser_96

  

  Heretic: your assumption that those who lived prior to Christ's birth being out of luck is not true. Read the Old Testament. Exodus and Isaiah are good reads for you to establish that they looked for a coming messiah. We look back in time to ours. Numbers also shares an account on what it would take to be healed of the sickness, which Christ made reference to as John noted in chapter 3 of his gospel.
  
  sleeper: you continually disregard te effects of the choices on the human race that Eve and Adam brought on by choosing to eat from the tree they were instructed not to. Sin has disrupted the whole thing.
  
  The question I have is in your atheistic worldview, why is having HIV a "bad" thing? Or, perhaps, is it not?
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1607510 wrote:Heretic: your assumption that those who lived prior to Christ's birth being out of luck is not true. Read the Old Testament. Exodus and Isaiah are good reads for you to establish that they looked for a coming messiah. We look back in time to ours. Numbers also shares an account on what it would take to be healed of the sickness, which Christ made reference to as John noted in chapter 3 of his gospel.
  
  sleeper: you continually disregard te effects of the choices on the human race that Eve and Adam brought on by choosing to eat from the tree they were instructed not to. Sin has disrupted the whole thing.
  
  The question I have is in your atheistic worldview, why is having HIV a "bad" thing? Or, perhaps, is it not?

  Yeah HIV is not a bad thing; tell that to the loved ones of dead children. You're fucking sick. Please tell me more about Adam and Eve and how their decisions affected humanity until the end of time. All powerful god, gives tree to humans that causes all problems in the world. Grow up.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  How is hiv a bad thing? You serious bro?
• cruiser_96

  

  sleeper: how can a moral judgement be made in an atheistic universe. If, as you state we are just the results of a chain reaction that started from nothing, how then would it be "bad"? Would it not just be what has occurred?
  
  By by stating that it is bad, you assume that there is an ideal world in which bad things would not occur. These types of moral judgements are not consistent with that of a worldview of an atheistic unviserse.
• dlazz

  cruiser_96;1607510 wrote:Heretic: your assumption that those who lived prior to Christ's birth being out of luck is not true.

  This is one of those 'the bible says so, so that means it's true' arguments.
  
  Nobody would give any religion any credit if it didn't cover people who had already died. Who would take it seriously? whoever fabricated it obviously wrote in some stipulations to cover already decreased people.
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1607531 wrote:sleeper: how can a moral judgement be made in an atheistic universe. If, as you state we are just the results of a chain reaction that started from nothing, how then would it be "bad"? Would it not just be what has occurred?
  
  By by stating that it is bad, you assume that there is an ideal world in which bad things would not occur. These types of moral judgements are not consistent with that of a worldview of an atheistic unviserse.

  You clearly have a lot to learn about the "atheistic universe". Morals are ingrained into every human being even before the invention of religion. Those that follow the basic tenants like not lying, not killing others, etc. will likely survive longer in a community and therefore produce additional offspring. The idea that religion gives us morals is IGNORANT.
  
  Chain reactions from nothing; good one.
• sleeper

  

  Please tell me more about how morals have to do with God creating and killing children with HIV. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the HIV is bad, religious or not.
• Rotinaj

  

  cruiser_96;1607531 wrote:sleeper: how can a moral judgement be made in an atheistic universe. If, as you state we are just the results of a chain reaction that started from nothing, how then would it be "bad"? Would it not just be what has occurred?
  
  By by stating that it is bad, you assume that there is an ideal world in which bad things would not occur. These types of moral judgements are not consistent with that of a worldview of an atheistic unviserse.

  LOL, just fucking LOL.
• cruiser_96

  

  sleeper;1607540 wrote:You clearly have a lot to learn about the "atheistic universe". Morals are ingrained into every human being even before the invention of religion. Those that follow the basic tenants like not lying, not killing others, etc. will likely survive longer in a community and therefore produce additional offspring. The idea that religion gives us morals is IGNORANT.
  
  Chain reactions from nothing; good one.

  Romans 1: 19, 20. Great work! Please continue.
  
  Also, you rail against religion. I'm down with that. But in doing so, I think you confuse theism with religion.
  
  Perhaps "value" would have been a better term. No. How can you state what is "bad" or "good" as if comparing it to an absolute standard of what is good? That's what I was stating.
• sleeper

  

  cruiser_96;1607576 wrote:Romans 1: 19, 20. Great work! Please continue.
  
  Also, you rail against religion. I'm down with that. But in doing so, I think you confuse theism with religion.
  
  Perhaps "value" would have been a better term. No. How can you state what is "bad" or "good" as if comparing it to an absolute standard of what is good? That's what I was stating.

  Well in general I don't think innocent children dying from a disease is a good thing but what the hell do I know I don't believe in your fairy tales.
• cruiser_96

  

  Sure you do! You believe the universe magically came into being from nothing. You've already stated "I don't know." Relax. I heard you the first time.
  
  My point: Two alternatives: theistic universe or atheistic universe. Your choice. While you can have your own opinion on the matter, you cannot have your own truth on the matter.