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Can Science and Religion co exist?

  • dlazz
    sleeper;1605877 wrote:Correct. There are plenty of books that use historical figures or themes in it but are 100% made up. The bible is no different and I can't believe you are older than 15 and still believe its non-fiction. Time to grow up.
    But Jesus parted the sea! And Moses built an ark that had every single animal on it!
  • sleeper
    jmog;1605880 wrote:You just proved your ignorance on the subject.

    It is one thing to believe that nothing in Genesis prior to Moses is all a fairy tale, that all the "miracles" are bogus, that the future prophecies are bunk, etc.
    However, to say that the parts that are historical writings are all made up is hilariously inaccurate.
    Again, FICTION novels all the time use historical events with a made up story. The Bible is no different and the stories in the bible are 100% made up. Come on man.
  • sleeper
    dlazz;1605882 wrote:But Jesus parted the sea! And Moses built an ark that had every single animal on it!
    Interesting how its completely obvious what I'm talking about, you know the main stories of the bible, and not whether so and so was king at the time. Also interesting how historical books of the time just happened to leave out the plagues on Egypt or a flood that encompassed the Earth for 40 days; but since the Bible got the king correct than it's non-fiction. Believers need to grow up; nothing more nothing less.
  • jmog
    sleeper;1605886 wrote:Interesting how its completely obvious what I'm talking about, you know the main stories of the bible, and not whether so and so was king at the time. Also interesting how historical books of the time just happened to leave out the plagues on Egypt or a flood that encompassed the Earth for 40 days; but since the Bible got the king correct than it's non-fiction. Believers need to grow up; nothing more nothing less.
    History books didn't exist the time of the flood, but amazingly it IS actually talked about by 20+ different ancient people stories/books.

    Yeah, completely ignored huh?

    How about this ancient Egyptian historical writing?
    The Ipuwer Papyrus How could plagues described in an Egyptian papyrus be so similar to those found in the Bible?
    In the early 1800s, a papyrus was found in Egypt called The Admonitions of an Egyptian. It is now in the Leiden Museum in Holland. An Egyptian named Ipuwer wrote it at the end of the Middle Kingdom, around 1650 B.C.E.; scribes copied it in the 19th Dynasty, in the 1200s B.C.E. Below are some of the amazingly similar plagues described in both the Ipuwer papyrus and the Bible. (The biblical plagues befell the Egyptians at the time of Moses and the Exodus, which has been dated sometime between 1570 to 1290 B.C.E.)


    Yup, no historical fact to those either huh?

    Obviously not proof that it was a miracle from God (no way to prove that) as various natural occurring conditions could cause MANY calamities to a country in a short amount of time, but please stop saying things that just aren't true (that historians don't corroborate things in the Bible).
  • sleeper
    The delusion continues; the amount of length you are willing to go to justify an entirely made up story is simply impressive. Conveniently cherry picking an ancient poem to justify historical events that never happened in reality is a stretch at best but I guess when you are desperate and the facts are so up against you, you need to resort to such tactics.

    And yeah, I'm sure 20+ other stories were told about a great flood and you'll tell us how its possible to fit billions of species(including baby dinosaurs LOL) onto a ship with enough food to last 40 days for each of them. Come on jmog, grow up.
  • jmog
    sleeper;1605896 wrote:The delusion continues; the amount of length you are willing to go to justify an entirely made up story is simply impressive. Conveniently cherry picking an ancient poem to justify historical events that never happened in reality is a stretch at best but I guess when you are desperate and the facts are so up against you, you need to resort to such tactics.

    And yeah, I'm sure 20+ other stories were told about a great flood and you'll tell us how its possible to fit billions of species(including baby dinosaurs LOL) onto a ship with enough food to last 40 days for each of them. Come on jmog, grow up.
    1. So the fact that a majority of Egyptologists believe that portion of the text to be a historical account and the surrounding poem a lamentation about that event, means nothing. Convenient.

    2. Who needs billions of species? Realistically no more than 15,000-20,000 animals needed to be on the ark with microevolution and breeding creating the modern species from there.
  • Rotinaj
    jmog;1605898 wrote:1. So the fact that a majority of Egyptologists believe that portion of the text to be a historical account and the surrounding poem a lamentation about that event, means nothing. Convenient.

    2. Who needs billions of species? Realistically no more than 15,000-20,000 animals needed to be on the ark with microevolution and breeding creating the modern species from there.
    20k and a billion are equally unlikely when talking about animals on a ship in that time period. If you believe in 20k you might as well believe in a billion.
  • jmog
    Rotinaj;1605914 wrote:20k and a billion are equally unlikely when talking about animals on a ship in that time period. If you believe in 20k you might as well believe in a billion.
    False.
  • Geronimo
    jmog;1601982 wrote:You have been pretentious at best, you know it, I know it, everyone who has read this thread knows it. Stop pretending.
    Interesting how easily you see this in others

    perhaps a quick glance in the mirror is in order
  • HitsRus
    It's fact. Organisms evolve to adapt to their environment
    Do you understand how it works?
  • DeyDurkie5
    Geronimo;1605930 wrote:Interesting how easily you see this in others

    perhaps a quick glance in the mirror is in order
    Lol yuuup.
  • sleeper
    jmog;1605898 wrote:1. So the fact that a majority of Egyptologists believe that portion of the text to be a historical account and the surrounding poem a lamentation about that event, means nothing. Convenient.

    2. Who needs billions of species? Realistically no more than 15,000-20,000 animals needed to be on the ark with microevolution and breeding creating the modern species from there.
    "Realistically". Nice word choice.
  • sleeper
    HitsRus;1605936 wrote:Do you understand how it works?
    I'm not a biologist but I do have a solid understanding of what evolution is and how it works, yes. Do we know everything there is to know about evolution? No. Do we understand it with enough evidence to draw conclusively that evolution is real and is a valid biological process? Absolutely without a doubt.
  • pmoney25
    http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/4/17/5623610/fossil-shows-ancient-shark-jaw-rewrites-evolutionary-history

    Since we are talking about evolution
  • Devils Advocate
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    Science and faith can coexist. Proof of God is not possible. Proof of no God is not possible either. Trying to do either of these is a waste of time because the other side is generally not going to be convinced anyhow. I have faith in God through my own experience. I also believe in evolution and the progress of science. I think a lot of believers are this way.
  • sleeper
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1606437 wrote:Science and faith can coexist. Proof of God is not possible. Proof of no God is not possible either. Trying to do either of these is a waste of time because the other side is generally not going to be convinced anyhow. I have faith in God through my own experience. I also believe in evolution and the progress of science. I think a lot of believers are this way.
    It's hard to convince a side that uses faith as their main mode of belief. Faith, by definition, is the complete voiding of all logic and reason necessary to justify an erroneous belief. Anyone that uses faith to justify anything is either a)ignorant, b) ignorant, or c)all of the above. When are you going to grow up and stop believing in childhood indoctrinated fairy tales?
  • Heretic
    This thread needs to never die. It's becoming my go-to for afternoon hilarity during a dull day at the office.
  • sleeper
    I love it. It's wonderful anytime new information changes our perception of history rather than relying on a book written by cult zealots over 2,000 years ago.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    sleeper;1606439 wrote:It's hard to convince a side that uses faith as their main mode of belief. Faith, by definition, is the complete voiding of all logic and reason necessary to justify an erroneous belief. Anyone that uses faith to justify anything is either a)ignorant, b) ignorant, or c)all of the above. When are you going to grow up and stop believing in childhood indoctrinated fairy tales?
    I am guessing you are young - maybe in your mid twenties? I may be wrong, but that's my guess. I went through a phase like yours when I was your age - didn't believe in God, thought I knew everything. As I've gotten older though, I've seen evidence of God in my life - things that happen that I chose to attribute to God's presence. That may sound erroneous to someone else, but it's what I think. I also have learned that my perspective on the world is one of billions. As such, I don't say "grow up" or whatever else to people that I disagree with. Too many times I've found after doing that that the other person was right and I was wrong.
  • sleeper
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1606499 wrote:I am guessing you are young - maybe in your mid twenties? I may be wrong, but that's my guess. I went through a phase like yours when I was your age - didn't believe in God, thought I knew everything. As I've gotten older though, I've seen evidence of God in my life - things that happen that I chose to attribute to God's presence. That may sound erroneous to someone else, but it's what I think. I also have learned that my perspective on the world is one of billions. As such, I don't say "grow up" or whatever else to people that I disagree with. Too many times I've found after doing that that the other person was right and I was wrong.
    Which god? Nice anecdotal evidence.
  • fish82
    Heretic;1606447 wrote:This thread needs to never die. It's becoming my go-to for afternoon hilarity during a dull day at the office.
    It will be here forever.

    Just like Jesus. : thumbup:
  • dlazz
    The amount of stores and restaurants closed today is completely unacceptable.
  • cruiser_96
    He is risen! Risen indeed!!!

    #EmptyTomb
  • Devils Advocate
    Jesus. The original zombie story. Back from the dead and still eating brains for almost 2 thousand years.