Big passenger jet may have gone down

• gut

  I was actually wondering if they could do something like this to better identify the path, although I was thinking something a little different. Granted, this is apparently a "groundbreaking" new method, which might justify some caution. But it certainly seems sound enough, and apparently gave Malaysia enough confidence to conclude the plane was lost in the ocean. Remember, there should actually be a series of 6 or 7 hourly(?) pings...and you would think that would be enough to rule one of the corridors the plane could have been hiding to.
  
  I believe the satellite was centered to the southwest of Malaysia, so if they are able to determine the plane was flying toward it then it had to be traveling along that southwest corridor established from the last ping.
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-satellite-tracking/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
  "Here's how the process works in a nutshell: Inmarsat officials and engineers were able to determine whether the plane was flying away or toward the satellite's location by expansion or compression of the satellite's signal.
  
  What does expansion or compression mean? You may have heard about something called the Doppler effect."
• bases_loaded

  

  CNN was in the basement and this story and stringing along conspiracies elevated it in the ratings. All you had to be was a passenger on a 777 or fly remote airplanes to be an expert on their station by the end.
• gut

  bases_loaded;1596173 wrote:CNN was in the basement and this story and stringing along conspiracies elevated it in the ratings. All you had to be was a passenger on a 777 or fly remote airplanes to be an expert on their station by the end.

  True. However their coverage on the web has been pretty solid and, best I can tell, consistently factually accurate.
  
  I think if you tune-in on tv in the middle of a segment it's easy to get confused that they aren't just speculating or entertaining theories.
  
  What's curious to me is Malaysia walked-back the part about entering the new waypoint in the computer. The US confirmed it is was "entered but not executed" (whatever that means) and they even knew it was done before 7:07 based on the last ACARS transmission. So for Malaysia to say the route was not altered, does that exclude the waypoint from having been entered or is there an additional step to execute and actually re-route the plane? I mean whether or not that waypoint was entered based on ACARS doesn't seem like a mistake likely to be "validated" by the US?
• Tiernan

  ^^^
  did Belly help you write that?
• reclegend22

  

  CNN's Don Lemon seems to think a black hole or a plot similar to the one he once saw on The Twilight Zone could be responsible for all of this.
  
  [video=youtube;LV6A4QiAkVw][/video]
  
  This just needs to end. Which is why I think the Malaysian PM just decided to say everyone is dead, whether doing so was slightly jumping the gun or not without any hard evidence yet to be found.
• Devils Advocate

  

  meanwhile in China...
  
  
• thavoice

  Devils Advocate;1596232 wrote:meanwhile in China...
  
  

  Man, you are sick. There is something wong with your mind.
• Devils Advocate

  

  thavoice;1596246 wrote:Man, you are sick. There is something wong with your mind.

  
• reclegend22

  

  Today.
  
  Wolf Blizter: "Do you know for sure that the plane went into the Indian Ocean and that there are no survivors?"
  
  Sr. VP of External Affairs for Inmarsat (satellite firm responsible for claiming plane crashed into the ocean): "No."
• gut

  reclegend22;1596292 wrote:Today.
  
  Wolf Blizter: "Do you know for sure that the plane went into the Indian Ocean and that there are no survivors?"
  
  Sr. VP of External Affairs for Inmarsat (satellite firm responsible for claiming plane crashed into the ocean): "No."

  
  I figured they would make an assumption on plane speed (and that appears to be the case). I'd been thinking that for a while - because the satellite was centered to the southwest of the last known location, the plane would have to be traveling faster to be along the arcs to the north vs. the south...and the series of arcs from the 6-7 pings would give you a pretty good sense of potential variations in speed.
  
  Now there's no reason the speeds might not have varied significantly, but given it was in the air for 7, perhaps close to 8 hours, you can also assume it had to be flying at near optimal altitudes/speed.
  
  And given this is a new method of analysis there would have been absolutely no reason to fly the plane in a manner designed to evade or frustrate that analysis.
  
  So I'd say their data is not 100% conclusive....but the idea the plane went North requires a SERIES of very low probability assumptions, such that it might be less than a 1 in 1000 chance.
• thavoice

  I will stick with the occam's razor approach.
  
  This plane crashed.
  
  Everyone is dead.
• bases_loaded

  

  [video=youtube;imqW_g-5S0I][/video]
• thavoice

  bases_loaded;1596311 wrote:[video=youtube;imqW_g-5S0I][/video]

  Yeah, it is a pretty fucked up area and gonna be very difficult to search and find anything.
• gut

  ^^^ that is insane. I have no idea, but if I had to guess I'd say some of those waves are cresting over 50'
  
  And if that's what is referred to as a Panamax class freighter, consider how the below is being bounced around:
  
  
• reclegend22

  

  ccrunner609;1596303 wrote:they have no evidence, they never have. Even the data they have has 10 different opinions from 10 different experts. THere is a large cover up going on. THat is why the Malaysian government announced that yesterday. Someone is pressuring them to end this thing cause someone is hiding something.
  
  Like I said earlier, there are reports out there that someone was transporting something on that plane that wasnt hush hush.

  There is no doubt that the Malaysian PM and the rest of the country's officials just wanted to put this whole thing to rest, and it's why they came out and tried to end all speculation yesterday in as definitive a manner possible. Under the circumstances, I don't blame the families of the missing for reacting to the news the way they did considering the lack of hard evidence.
  

  gut;1596305 wrote:So I'd say their data is not 100% conclusive....but the idea the plane went North requires a SERIES of very low probability assumptions, such that it might be less than a 1 in 1000 chance.

  While I'm sure the data was solid in what it was attempting to do, it was wrong and incredibly irresponsible for the Malaysian PM to state that there were no survivors without first recovering any piece of the "wreckage."
  

  bases_loaded;1596311 wrote:[video=youtube;imqW_g-5S0I][/video]

  That is fucking awesome. Added to my bucket list. Only in a canoe with friends and some rum.
• gut

  reclegend22;1596319 wrote: While I'm sure the data was solid in what it was attempting to do, it was wrong and incredibly irresponsible for the Malaysian PM to state that there were no survivors without first recovering any piece of the "wreckage."

  I don't know if I agree. It's been 17 days now, and if they went down in the ocean (and it's extremely unlikely that isn't the case) they'd be long out of water and supplies, assuming they even survived impact.
  
  The stupid media coverage is only fraying at the nerves of families and giving them false hope. It was the responsible thing to let families move on and begin the grieving process. It's past time for the authorities to basically tell them they have a better shot of winning the lottery than finding survivors.
• dlazz

  gut;1596323 wrote: stupid

  True
• bases_loaded

  

  CNN doesn't care about the families involved....for the first time in a long time people are tuning in to them. MOAR experts
• thavoice

  bases_loaded;1596353 wrote:CNN doesn't care about the families involved....for the first time in a long time people are tuning in to them. MOAR experts

  To be fair, not sure how many of the families are getting their news via CNN on this.
  
  but some of those so called experts theories were pretty funny
• Tiernan

  And thats a nice day in the Southern Indian Ocean.
• Mohican00

  

  bases_loaded;1596353 wrote:CNN doesn't care about the families involved....for the first time in a long time people are tuning in to them. MOAR experts

  What is this? These are two separate thoughts
• bases_loaded

  

  Dafuq? CNN only cares that people are tuning in to hear their next expert and his tricked out theory stringing along hope that the passengers are still alive.
• Mohican00

  

  1. They don't care about the families
  2. People are tuning in to them
• bases_loaded

  

  Yes
• Mohican00

  

  There were 3 americans on board. I'm sure they and their audience is more interested in theories than worrying about upsetting Malaysian and Chinese families