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Phillip Seymour Hoffman found dead

  • Sonofanump
    Ironman92;1575794 wrote:That's fine.

    My grandma was a 5'6 135 LB woman who never smoked and worked two jobs (one being a factory)....she died of cancer at age 60.....her brother very similar died at age 54 of cancer.

    Not all cancer is a product of poor health choices.
    I think you might be confusing my post.

    Philip Eatmore Herion - No sympathy.
    I92's Grandma and great uncle - Sympathy.

    It was tragic what occurred to your family.
    Preventable what PSH did to his family, selfish.
  • Con_Alma
    queencitybuckeye;1575800 wrote:Then why did you bring it up?
    ...to add my thoughts and inquiries to the discussion. I think that's the same type of reason you asked me this question...is it not?
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    Great actor? Yes.
    Sad to see him go? Yes.
    Feel sorry/sympathy for him? No. I don't feel sorry for anyone who uses (especially OD's) on drugs.
  • Ironman92
    Sonofanump;1575803 wrote:I think you might be confusing my post.

    Philip Eatmore Herion - No sympathy.
    I92's Grandma and great uncle - Sympathy.

    It was tragic what occurred to your family.
    Preventable what PSH did to his family, selfish.
    Yeah....mixed you up wth QCB
  • Mohican00
    Scarlet_Buckeye;1575829 wrote:Great actor? Yes.
    Sad to see him go? Yes.
    Feel sorry/sympathy for him? No. I don't feel sorry for anyone who uses (especially OD's) on drugs.
    I don think you need to feel sorry for him.....but simply understanding the power of addiction and appreciating what it can do to individuals who struggle with it can go a way in the empathy department.

    If you simply write it off as oh well, piss on him for doing that to himself, well, your emotional maturity stopped progressing at 13 and you'd probably be of no help to people who need it
  • Tiernan
    Found with the needle still in his arm huh? Most junkies can get the needle out before the rush hits them. This smells a little fishy to me. Hope NYPD is checking on possible homocide angle. That would make a great movie.
  • OSH
    Tiernan;1575848 wrote:Found with the needle still in his arm huh? Most junkies can get the needle out before the rush hits them. This smells a little fishy to me. Hope NYPD is checking on possible homocide angle. That would make a great movie.
    And here it goes again...

    I can imagine the headlines if "homocide" is found out...
  • QuakerOats
    Bush's fault
  • Heretic
    QuakerOats;1575946 wrote:Bush's fault
    Negged for bringing politard shit out of that forum.
  • Glory Days
    reclegend22;1575721 wrote: It's not like he was planning to leave his kids behind when sticking that needle in his arm. He was (apparently at the time) alone and sick and probably an emotional wreck. Addiction is a disease.
    he is an adult. he knows what drugs can do to him and his family. hell, why else would he have gotten sober if he knew drugs weren't bad for him?
  • Glory Days
    Mohican00;1575845 wrote:I don think you need to feel sorry for him.....but simply understanding the power of addiction and appreciating what it can do to individuals who struggle with it can go a way in the empathy department.

    If you simply write it off as oh well, piss on him for doing that to himself, well, your emotional maturity stopped progressing at 13 and you'd probably be of no help to people who need it

    I learned by 13 that drugs are bad and can lead to addiction and or death....I am glad I learned that before I stopped maturing.
  • hang_loose
    RIP P.S. Hoffman and prayers to the Hoffman family.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    It is very easy to point out how an addict is to blame for his fate. But you don't know what is in the mind of another. Some of us have demons that we don't know how to silence. For those that can in a healthy way, good for you. But others can get to some really dark places and they don't know how to escape. I am of the opinion that no one seeks to become an addict. But being in a bad place can make their decision making terrible and that's how the process can begin. I tend to side with JC on this one - "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone". I'm sad for any addict who loses the battle, sad for the families they leave behind. In this case, I'm sad to lose a great screen talent that I truly enjoyed.
  • dlazz
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1576242 wrote:I tend to side with JC on this one - "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone".
    lol
  • reclegend22
    Glory Days;1576072 wrote:he is an adult. he knows what drugs can do to him and his family. hell, why else would he have gotten sober if he knew drugs weren't bad for him?
    He got clean because his addiction had begun to grip him so tight that he was fearful for his life. Simply deciding to get help and quit however does not stop the addiction that lives inside of the addict. It's an ongoing disease that must continually be monitored. As the history of substance abuse demonstrates, the disease, even when dormant for decades, can break out of remission at any time. In this case, apparently PSH took some pain medication for reason or another and ultimately that triggered the addict within to resurface.

    As Dr. Winston said above, we have no idea what kind of demons this guy was facing in his head. All the money in the world can't heal emotional pain. And it sounds like PSH may have struggled with some variety of that over the course of his life, or he probably wouldn't have sought the escape of such powerful drugs to begin with. It's not always a case of "wanting to be cool."

    Just my thoughts. Not saying he isn't to blame. But I am also not going to sling dirt at a deceased man whom I really know nothing about.
  • reclegend22
    Inb4 "Thanks, Dr. Drew."
  • Tiernan
    I'm slinging dirt at a deceased man.

    inb4 Tiernan's a racist, drunk.
  • Glory Days
    reclegend22;1576271 wrote: It's not always a case of "wanting to be cool."
    Except you cant blame the first time he shot up was because he was addicted.

    I mean really, is it not common knowledge that drugs, especially ones like heroin are addictive? He damn well knew the risks when he started. He played with fire and got burned.
  • Tiernan
    Hear Ye Hear Ye Glory Days. I guess he was talented but its not like he was another DeNiro or Pacino.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Glory Days;1576557 wrote:Except you cant blame the first time he shot up was because he was addicted.

    I mean really, is it not common knowledge that drugs, especially ones like heroin are addictive? He damn well knew the risks when he started. He played with fire and got burned.
    Ever had a beer? Tried a cigarette in middle school? There but for the grace of God, hypocrite.
  • bases_loaded
    Had both but never heroin because ive learned it only takes one shot to ruin your life. Something everyone knows abs anyone who starts it knows.
  • Sonofanump
    reclegend22;1576272 wrote:Inb4 "Thanks, Dr. Drew."
    To be fair, he takes the most extreme cases to attempt to help, therefore his failure rate is high.
  • queencitybuckeye
    bases_loaded;1576717 wrote:Had both but never heroin because ive learned it only takes one shot to ruin your life. Something everyone knows abs anyone who starts it knows.
    Applies to both of the substances I mentioned as well.
  • Tiernan
    HTF do you correlate having a beer and cig with shooting heroin!? First of all this wanna be screen star always seemed to relish his "troubled" image and I'm sure when he started doing it thought he was some kind of cool detached Robert Downey type character. Well guess what chubby white dude...youre fkn dead.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Tiernan;1576732 wrote:HTF do you correlate having a beer and cig with shooting heroin!?
    I would think an actual alcoholic would get this immediately.