Will Zimmerman get a fair trial in the Travon Martin case?

• #1DBag

  

  Kindly fuck you and your keyboard courage.
• Gblock

  bLuE_71;1477851 wrote:Refreshing to continue to stir the race card pot? Hmmm

  wtf are you talking about? i said it wasnt racist. his point was that many people are scared of blacks and with good reason because of the high rate of crimes they commit. with good reason. i agreed. how is that playing the race card.? hell i work on the eastside and used to work in the short north i have had many occasions to not feel comfortable. there are many streets where they might shoot you black or white.
  ill add what people see on tv/news is a big contributer as well.
  
  there were several posters saying this is why he followed and i agreed and i think this is actually an honest answer instead of saying he followed him because he didnt know him or cutting thru the grass in the rain. and as already said he followed him because the description of the crooks was black. im just saying pick one or the other. i dont even care that he followed him or called the police i just think he should not have gotten out of the car. i would love to see the reaction if someone followed you or one of your kids. cue the i would kindly talk to them and ask why lol
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  #1DBag;1477871 wrote:That fuckboy Zimmerman started a fight he could not finish and had to use his gun. Trayvon would locked up without question, if the end results were different.

  #1DBag;1477882 wrote:Yeah, shot an unarmed 17 year old that was whoopin' his ass.

  #1DBag;1477889 wrote:Kindly fuck you and your keyboard courage.

  Shits weak. Move along troll.
• #1DBag

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1477912 wrote:I secretly enjoy raw dawgin' Sporty Lady. I can count to potato.

  fify
• BoatShoes

  Raw Dawgin' it;1477814 wrote:You believe the jury wasn't reasonably believing GZ acted in self defense, that implies you think he's guilty. Try to follow along.

  LOL. You clearly don't understand this sentence that I wrote.
  

  The Jury did not err in reasonably believing that Zimmerman acted in self-defense when he killed Martin. The state grants us back the ability to use deadly force when we are being attacked and fear for our lives.

  This sentence means that I'm saying that the Jury reasonably believed that Zimmerman acted in self-defense and that they did not commit an error in doing so. That does not imply that I think he is guilty. Err is the verb form of error.
• BoatShoes

  Raw Dawgin' it;1477815 wrote:It's not racial profiling. If TM were in a suit i doubt he would've been suspicious, if it were an old chinese woman i doubt he would've been suspicious, but he was walking around in a black hoodie with the hood up going into between houses in an area that had break ins and he fit the profile of the culprit, deal with it.

  One irrational inference replacing another irrational inference. Sound reasoning :thumbup:
  
  If we accept that he is ok to be paranoid enough to infer criminality from a hoody and leisurely walking in a yard, still the protocol is calling the police out of extraordinary caution anyway. Unnecessary, imprudent and irrational to leave the vehicle and encroach upon the person you irrationally suspect to be a potential felon. Irrationality abounds.
• Con_Alma

  BoatShoes;1477943 wrote:One irrational inference replacing another irrational inference. Sound reasoning :thumbup:
  
  If we accept that he is ok to be paranoid enough to infer criminality from a hoody and leisurely walking in a yard, still the protocol is calling the police out of extraordinary caution anyway. Unnecessary, imprudent and irrational to leave the vehicle and encroach upon the person you irrationally suspect to be a potential felon. Irrationality abounds.

  One doesn't have to be paranoid to choose to follow an unknown through the neighborhood. Curiosity can lead to the same action as much as common practice.
• BoatShoes

  Con_Alma;1477833 wrote:That's a leap and is simply not factual. You don't now this.
  
  If burglary's have happen in the neighborhood it 's reason enough to suspicious of anyone you don't know walking through. The specificity of what your suspicions are of any individual isn't necessarily the exact same crime that has occurred int he past but anything at all! Assuming Mr. Zimmerman was suspicious of Mr. Martin for a specific concern is nothing more than an assumption.
  
  Simply maintaining visibility to the person is certainly a more cautions approach than what Mr. Martin did!

  Not really. It is a fallacy in reasoning. But, even if I grant you that...that he was right to be overly cautious and suspect criminality...calling the police is at best what can be justified.
  
  Of course it was better than Martin did :rolleyes: That is not the point. The point is that GZ is not wholly innocent. My goal is simply to wash away these protestations by the GZ defender that he didn't act foolish. I'm even granting you that he was "just maintaining visibility" and didn't actually go and grab Martin as Jeantal's testimony implies.
• BoatShoes

  Con_Alma;1477947 wrote:One doesn't have to be paranoid to choose to follow an unknown through the neighborhood. Curiosity can lead to the same action as much as common practice.

  That is paranoid, irrational behavior that would not be done by a reasonable prudent person and straight up weird. At best you can justify calling the police and that is a stretch.
• Con_Alma

  There's absolutely nothing inappropriat about continueing to follow an unknown person in the neighborhood. It's as reasonable as it was for Mr. Martin to walk through the neighborhood coming from wherever he was coming from and going to wherever he was going. There's nothing inappropriate about either.
• Con_Alma

  BoatShoes;1477952 wrote:That is paranoid, irrational behavior that would not be done by a reasonable prudent person and straight up weird. At best you can justify calling the police and that is a stretch.

  You would like that to be the case but such a hypothetical doesn't have to exist because the individual is paranoid.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  BoatShoes;1477943 wrote:One irrational inference replacing another irrational inference. Sound reasoning :thumbup:
  
  If we accept that he is ok to be paranoid enough to infer criminality from a hoody and leisurely walking in a yard, still the protocol is calling the police out of extraordinary caution anyway. Unnecessary, imprudent and irrational to leave the vehicle and encroach upon the person you irrationally suspect to be a potential felon. Irrationality abounds.

  Which one of these do you think is a CEO?
  
  
  
  
  Pretty sure if you saw a group of the first you would act the same as if you saw a group of the second.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Nothing suspicious about this guy, nope, wouldn't think anything is wrong if he were walking around looking in houses because I don't profile.
  
  
• Gblock

  
  
  
  ceo
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Gblock;1478052 wrote:
  
  
  ceo

  so you see a guy like that in casual clothes and your first thought is "He must be a CEO if he tattoos his head, face, hands, and neck"
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  For the record before you call me a racist - i'd think this guy was a degenerate too. He's a pro skateboarder, so he could be, but still.
  
  
• Gblock

  nope just showing how foolish it is to juge by appearance. which is why i said it was so dumb to get out of the car based upon someones appearance. you needed more to rise to the level of being suspicious imo. you cant possibly know everyone in your neighborhood. cutting through grass in the rain isnt really suspicious to me either. but even if you did judge it to be suspicious and blacks by nature are suspicious with this little evidence calling the police and staying in the car was sufficient in my opinion
• Gblock

  also why do you keep whining about being called a racist? i certainly havent and i havent seen anyone on here do so? stop whining and boo hooing like whites always get labeled as racists. much like blacks commiting a high rate of crimes maybe it is justified at times. stop acting like their arent plenty to choose from. you keep playing the victim like its so rough being white lol
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Gblock;1478070 wrote:nope just showing how foolish it is to juge by appearance. which is why i said it was so dumb to get out of the car based upon someones appearance. you needed more to rise to the level of being suspicious imo. you cant possibly know everyone in your neighborhood. cutting through grass in the rain isnt really suspicious to me either. but even if you did judge it to be suspicious and blacks by nature are suspicious with this little evidence calling the police and staying in the car was sufficient in my opinion

  agreed
• rmolin73

  

  Gblock;1478072 wrote:also why do you keep whining about being called a racist? i certainly havent and i havent seen anyone on here do so? stop whining and boo hooing like whites always get labeled as racists. much like blacks commiting a high rate of crimes maybe it is justified at times. stop acting like their arent plenty to choose from. you keep playing the victim like its so rough being white lol

  Reps lol
• BoatShoes

  Con_Alma;1477953 wrote:There's absolutely nothing inappropriat about continueing to follow an unknown person in the neighborhood. It's as reasonable as it was for Mr. Martin to walk through the neighborhood coming from wherever he was coming from and going to wherever he was going. There's nothing inappropriate about either.

  Is anybody going to really back this up? That is weird behavior not in line with conventional social mores and norms. :rolleyes:
• QuakerOats

  http://spectator.org/blog/2013/07/15/trayvon-crime-school-miami
  
  
  For greater ................. understanding, as it were.
• Con_Alma

  BoatShoes;1478079 wrote:Is anybody going to really back this up? That is weird behavior not in line with conventional social mores and norms. :rolleyes:

  Are you asking me to speak for others?
  
  There's nothing inappropriate about following anyone in your neighborhood just as there was nothing inappropriate about walking through a neighborhood after going to the store.
• rmolin73

  

  QuakerOats;1478080 wrote:http://spectator.org/blog/2013/07/15/trayvon-crime-school-miami
  
  
  For greater ................. understanding, as it were.

  Lol the demonizing of Zimmerman or Martin is foolish.
• iclfan2

  

  BoatShoes;1478079 wrote:Is anybody going to really back this up? That is weird behavior not in line with conventional social mores and norms. :rolleyes:

  Who are you to say what's normal or norms. The whole time your argument has been normal, most people, blah blah. You clearly haven't lived in a small town or small allotment so your opinions are based on bias and not facts. And apparently you think yourself as God of opinions and social norms.