MIT Shooting/Bombing Suspect Manhunt - Suspect 1: DEAD, Suspect 2: In Custody
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reclegend22
Was there a bounty for this guy? I know for the Osama Bin Laden manhunt, there was a $25,000,000 reward for any information directly leading to his capture. -
Mulva
I asked that last night and got no answer. May have been too early for something like that because authorities thought they still had a beat on this guy.reclegend22;1430701 wrote:Was there a bounty for this guy? I know for the Osama Bin Laden manhunt, there was a $25,000,000 reward for any information directly leading to his capture. -
gut
I'm not sure there was time to get to the point of issuing a bounty. They only released the photos about 4 hours before it all started.reclegend22;1430701 wrote:Was there a bounty for this guy? I know for the Osama Bin Laden manhunt, there was a $25,000,000 reward for any information directly leading to his capture. -
gut
I would guess no bounty because they had to be almost overwhelmed with the tips they were getting as it was. I think when they released the photos they had a good idea he was still in the country, if not still in Boston.Mulva;1430706 wrote:I asked that last night and got no answer. May have been too early for something like that because authorities thought they still had a beat on this guy.
Interesting thing I heard was the photos they were supposedly releasing the day before to LEO were very different (which I take to mean the wrong suspects). -
reclegend22
That sounds right. Damn, then, that guy who literally risked his life to see what was inside his boat, got screwed. He deserves something. If he doesn't go outside to check things out, once night fall hits, the suspect, even being seriously injured, might have been able to catch a second wind of adrenaline and flee the scene.
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gut
He could get REALLY screwed....property insurance typically doesn't cover acts of terrorreclegend22;1430711 wrote:That sounds right. Damn, then, that guy who literally risked his life to see what was inside his boat, got screwed.
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reclegend22
Or maybe he was too seriously injured by that point. I don't know, I guess.
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reclegend22
Lol. I thought about that. Who is going to pay for his boat, which I am guessing was destroyed by gunfire? And for any other property damages from the shootout. Would you even want to live there anymore? How strange that would all be for that family.gut;1430712 wrote:He could get REALLY screwed....property insurance typically doesn't cover acts of terror -
Mulva
If the suspect would have killed him it would have made the lifting of the home-order lockdown or whatever you want to call it one of the biggest blunders in law enforcement history.
Honestly, I think the cops and feds got extremely lucky with this. Broke the barricade, escaped on foot (wounded), broke the perimeter and got discovered by a civilian. -
gut
Well, besides the fact you can't lockdown the city indefinitely, removing the lockdown and getting people out and about increases the chance of him being spotted or drawn out.Mulva;1430716 wrote:If the suspect would have killed him it would have made the lifting of the home-order lockdown or whatever you want to call it one of the biggest blunders in law enforcement history.
The big blunder was miscalculating the perimeter and whoever did the half-arsed search of that property. The search sounds like less than a fine-tooth comb, since we have at least one anecdote where they declined to even search a house. But despite all the manpower, there's a trade-off with how thorough you can search in proportion to the perimeter you've established.
Also, the initial shootout was with 6 officers (if I heard correctly). I'm not sure it's some great failure that they lost him. Probably contributing to that was all the firepower/explosives/etc he had that probably caused cops to pursue much more cautiously. -
sherm03
I don't think that can be true. Weren't there 15 cops injured in that shootout?gut;1430721 wrote: Also, the initial shootout was with 6 officers (if I heard correctly). I'm not sure it's some great failure that they lost him. Probably contributing to that was all the firepower/explosives/etc he had that probably caused cops to pursue much more cautiously. -
gut
I don't know...thought I heard 6 cops on the scene (from a high-level officer), but could have heard 20.sherm03;1430722 wrote:I don't think that can be true. Weren't there 15 cops injured in that shootout?
But if there were 15 cops injured, and a suspect down, along with an unknown number of IED's it once again shows why the pursuit would have been more cautious and/or insufficient. I'm not sure of the whole timeline, but it does take time to get additional units to the scene.
I heard today, and still not sure what's completely accurate even now, that they were still trying to activate the GPS on the stolen SUV when the car was spotted and then the shootout began. So I think maybe more like 6 units in the shootout. -
reclegend22
I might argue that much of the manhunt was a blunder. Thank god the civilians got involved, because these Boston cops looked like the cast of Police Academy. They weren't prepared for dealing with trained terrorists. And even the federal agents couldn't find this guy.
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Mulva
According to report, he escaped wounded. ON FOOT. They could proceed cautiously at 5 mph and still be right on him. I went to Ohio State. I've seen 15+ cops (including on bicycles) show up within minutes of a DUI stop. You're telling me a Boston suburb doesn't have cops able to get there within minutes 2-3 days after this bombing? I call bullshit on that.gut;1430721 wrote:Also, the initial shootout was with 6 officers (if I heard correctly). I'm not sure it's some great failure that they lost him. Probably contributing to that was all the firepower/explosives/etc he had that probably caused cops to pursue much more cautiously.
Locking down the city indefinitely is a lot different then removing a lockdown when you're confident he's still in the area. -
said_aouita
Watertown makes up about 30k people and is over 4 square miles. Yea, they sucked at finding one person so quickly.reclegend22;1430725 wrote:I might argue that much of the manhunt was a blunder. Thank god the civilians got involved, because these Boston cops looked like the cast of Police Academy. They weren't prepared for dealing with trained terrorists. And even the federal agents couldn't find this guy.
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gut
Watertown police chief was just on...Said one unit spotted the cars, and then 2 other joined and 3 off-duty/plainclothes went to the scene. [That's Watertown, probably most of their resources at night.] He said shootout lasted about 10 minutes [so very likely other units did arrive from nearby precincts].Mulva;1430726 wrote:According to report, he escaped wounded. ON FOOT. They could proceed cautiously at 5 mph and still be right on him. I went to Ohio State. I've seen 15+ cops (including on bicycles) show up within minutes of a DUI stop. You're telling me a Boston suburb doesn't have cops able to get there within minutes 2-3 days after this bombing? I call bull**** on that.
Locking down the city indefinitely is a lot different then removing a lockdown when you're confident he's still in the area.
The subject then fled in car - not on foot - running over his brother as he left. Police chief said they had 1 guy down and another critically injured that they had to attend to in order to prevent him bleeding out.
I have no idea at that point how many units pursued him. -
reclegend22
said_aouita;1430727 wrote:Watertown makes up about 30k people and is over 4 square miles. Yea, they sucked at finding one person so quickly.
smh:rolleyes:
A teenager evaded the FBI, CIA, tactical snipers, thousands of armed police officers, canines, helicopters and army tanks patrolling the streets of suburban Boston within a two-mile radius for almost two days. He also survived a shootout with police, killing one and injuring 15 others before evading them on foot. -
gut
Of course, no matter how good your manhunt is it's going to fail when the subject isn't in the area you are searchingreclegend22;1430725 wrote:I might argue that much of the manhunt was a blunder. -
reclegend22
True. But, the Boston PD had him surrounded in a gunfight and let him get away after he took almost all of them down like dominoes and escaped by foot. I mean, god.gut;1430733 wrote:Of course, no matter how good your manhunt is it's going to fail when the subject isn't in the area you are searching -
Mulva
gut;1430730 wrote:Watertown police chief was just on...Said one unit spotted the cars, and then 2 other joined and 3 off-duty/plainclothes went to the scene. [That's Watertown, probably most of their resources at night.] He said shootout lasted about 10 minutes [so very likely other units did arrive from nearby precincts].
The subject then fled in car - not on foot - running over his brother as he left. Police chief said they had 1 guy down and another critically injured that they had to attend to in order to prevent him bleeding out.
I have no idea at that point how many units pursued him.
But he still escaped on foot after running over his brother, no? And he was still wounded. Unless the "pool of blood" he was found in occurred somehow while he was on the LAM.
Even in a normal situation I would find no backup arriving after 10 minutes troubling so close to a major city. This shortly after a major terrorist incident is pretty inexcusable. And assuming it did show up then letting him get away is equally inexcusable.
The lifting of the in-home order ended up working because it resulted in him being caught, but had he been conscious and armed in the boat it could have been disastrous. The boat owner deserves a lot more kudos than law enforcement in my opinion. -
said_aouita
Do we know who actually killed the officer? The younger or older brother? They were both shooting, right?reclegend22;1430732 wrote:
A teenager evaded the FBI, CIA, tactical snipers, thousands of armed police officers, canines, helicopters and army tanks patrolling the streets of suburban Boston within a two-mile radius for almost two days. He also survived a shootout with police, killing one and injuring 15 others before evading them on foot.
During the chase they are throwing bombs out of moving cars. Probably not something any officer has dealt with.
The fact he's a teenager and in shape was a great benefit in him escaping.
Will be interesting to see how far on foot he traveled over those couple days.
Still wondering why the younger brother ran over the older brother in the stolen suv.
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reclegend22
Um... A teenager evaded the FBI, CIA, tactical snipers, thousands of armed police officers, canines, helicopters and army tanks patrolling the streets of suburban Boston within a two-mile radius for almost two days. He also survived a shootout with police, killing one and injuring 15 others before evading them on foot.said_aouita;1430737 wrote:...and?] -
said_aouita
see my editreclegend22;1430739 wrote:Um... A teenager evaded the FBI, CIA, tactical snipers, thousands of armed police officers, canines, helicopters and army tanks patrolling the streets of suburban Boston within a two-mile radius for almost two days. He also survived a shootout with police, killing one and injuring 15 others before evading them on foot. -
sherm03
Come on now. It wasn't even close to 24 hours. Don't be that guy and blow it up like he was on the run in this small area the entire weekend.reclegend22;1430732 wrote:
A teenager evaded the FBI, CIA, tactical snipers, thousands of armed police officers, canines, helicopters and army tanks patrolling the streets of suburban Boston within a two-mile radius for almost two days. He also survived a shootout with police, killing one and injuring 15 others before evading them on foot. -
WebFire
I thought you weren't criticizing.reclegend22;1430732 wrote:
A teenager evaded the FBI, CIA, tactical snipers, thousands of armed police officers, canines, helicopters and army tanks patrolling the streets of suburban Boston within a two-mile radius for almost two days. He also survived a shootout with police, killing one and injuring 15 others before evading them on foot.
Please, I ask again, how would YOU have done it?