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  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    sleeper;1400496 wrote:I'm sorry that you were not able to extract the full value of your master's degree from the greatest institution on the planet. Perhaps you should look inward when accounting for the "pathetic" education you received at OSU. Many others have benefited greatly for the university's strong academic reputation and many others have earned a solid education to allow them to be leaders in their respective fields. Thank you for your tuition money though; I enjoyed the nicest dorms, recreation centers, sports teams and a solid base of academic knowledge because of the money others have contributed before me.
    If you read my post correctly, you would have understood that I have received great value from my master's degree. The undergrad education is what I am referring too.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    FatHobbit;1400497 wrote:I'm curious to know what was pathetic about her undergrad curriculum and experience?
    Huge lectures - even in upperclass 300-400 level courses, very little access to professors, inability to schedule classes becuse not enough sections are offered, etc. For what is now basically private school tuition, it is way overpriced.
  • FatHobbit
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1400506 wrote:Huge lectures - even in upperclass 300-400 level courses, very little access to professors, inability to schedule classes becuse not enough sections are offered, etc. For what is now basically private school tuition, it is way overpriced.
    What was her major? I guess it's been 10+ years since I went to OSU but my major classes always had 30-40 people. The professors and TA's all had office hours. I remember having to wait to talk to them but I was always able to talk to them if I tried.

    I also remember people complaining about scheduling, but for the classes I was not able to get into during scheduling, if I attended the class I was always able to get in. (I did have a friend who was a nurse and if she had failed and her classes were in order, so had she failed a class or not gotten in she would have had to wait a year to take the next class she needed.)
  • OSH
    sleeper;1400410 wrote:Also, churches should not be labeled as non-profits. They are money making machines that sell a fraudulent service to its uneducated mentally handicapped customers. Only in religion can a business take advantage of handicapped people and get away with it.
    There are many uneducated people that attend higher education institutions and pay tens of thousands of dollars per year for a piece of paper, that typically doesn't pan out for NUMEROUS years. That seems to be taking advantage of people. There are many people who continue to give to those same institutions, much more money than is what is probably given to any religious institution too. I haven't even mentioned, nor have you (sleeper) about the taxpayer's money that goes to "fund" public higher education institutions -- only to have that negated by hundreds of thousands of dollars invested by the consumer to pay for a publicly funded degree! People have paid twice for the same degree!

    They all file the same paperwork. Look at the NFL, same thing. NCAA, same thing. It is too easy to pick out "non-profits" who act as the total opposite without even bringing any religious congregations into the argument. I know it is part of your (sleeper) schtick, but you could at least make it a better argument than what you have.
  • OSH
    FatHobbit;1400509 wrote:What was her major? I guess it's been 10+ years since I went to OSU but my major classes always had 30-40 people. The professors and TA's all had office hours. I remember having to wait to talk to them but I was always able to talk to them if I tried.

    I also remember people complaining about scheduling, but for the classes I was not able to get into during scheduling, if I attended the class I was always able to get in. (I did have a friend who was a nurse and if she had failed and her classes were in order, so had she failed a class or not gotten in she would have had to wait a year to take the next class she needed.)
    Maybe he's talking about Ohio State's main campus in Columbus and not OSU-Mansfield. :p
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    FatHobbit;1400509 wrote:What was her major? I guess it's been 10+ years since I went to OSU but my major classes always had 30-40 people. The professors and TA's all had office hours. I remember having to wait to talk to them but I was always able to talk to them if I tried.

    I also remember people complaining about scheduling, but for the classes I was not able to get into during scheduling, if I attended the class I was always able to get in. (I did have a friend who was a nurse and if she had failed and her classes were in order, so had she failed a class or not gotten in she would have had to wait a year to take the next class she needed.)
    I'm sure my wife's experience wasn't the same as everyone's. However I know a lot of other stories that are similar. The costs of a state subsidized place that is completely unaffected by the quality of its product is my basic point. Ohio State isn't alone in this by any means. But since Gee and Les decided that they'd make the place uber competititve to get into and thereby call it a "great university", the costs to attend have run off into the wild blue yonder. The land grant mission was lost a long, long time ago.
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    OSH;1400514 wrote:Maybe he's talking about Ohio State's main campus in Columbus and not OSU-Mansfield. :p
    I think in the last 10 years, the branch campuses are getting a lot more interest. You get the benefit of a smaller setting. You are far away from the great football coach in Columbus, but smaller classrooms can outweigh this.
  • sleeper
    OSH;1400511 wrote:There are many uneducated people that attend higher education institutions and pay tens of thousands of dollars per year for a piece of paper, that typically doesn't pan out for NUMEROUS years. That seems to be taking advantage of people. There are many people who continue to give to those same institutions, much more money than is what is probably given to any religious institution too. I haven't even mentioned, nor have you (sleeper) about the taxpayer's money that goes to "fund" public higher education institutions -- only to have that negated by hundreds of thousands of dollars invested by the consumer to pay for a publicly funded degree! People have paid twice for the same degree!

    They all file the same paperwork. Look at the NFL, same thing. NCAA, same thing. It is too easy to pick out "non-profits" who act as the total opposite without even bringing any religious congregations into the argument. I know it is part of your (sleeper) schtick, but you could at least make it a better argument than what you have.
    I have already stated I would support legislation privatizing Ohio State and absolving it of it's tax payer funded mechanisms. Ohio State would likely have to raise their prices in order to offer the same excellent academic and athletic environment it currently provides but it would still be absolutely worth it no matter the cost.
  • sleeper
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1400520 wrote:I think in the last 10 years, the branch campuses are getting a lot more interest. You get the benefit of a smaller setting. You are far away from the great football coach in Columbus, but smaller classrooms can outweigh this.
    Studies have validated that smaller classroom sizes add zero value to the education process over larger classrooms. If you need smaller classrooms to succeed, please go to the nearest community college and end up working at McDonalds the rest of your life. We don't need your kind diluting the value of a degree from a prestigious university like Ohio State.
  • OSH
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1400520 wrote:I think in the last 10 years, the branch campuses are getting a lot more interest. You get the benefit of a smaller setting. You are far away from the great football coach in Columbus, but smaller classrooms can outweigh this.
    Oh, no doubt that the branch campuses are getting interest. I think a lot of it is the "helicopter" or "snowplow" parenting that has kept a lot of kids closer to home too. That's just my first opinion and history of dealing with higher ed recruitment.
    sleeper;1400521 wrote:I have already stated I would support legislation privatizing Ohio State and absolving it of it's tax payer funded mechanisms. Ohio State would likely have to raise their prices in order to offer the same excellent academic and athletic environment it currently provides but it would still be absolutely worth it no matter the cost.

    They don't have to raise their costs for anything. But they will. Oh, raise ticket prices for football games...that means the fan environment is going to get better huh? Not. Everything rises and they continue to screw the consumers. Thank you capitalism.

    That doesn't solve the SAME problem of taxpayer dollars funding ALL public education.
    sleeper;1400523 wrote:Studies have validated that smaller classroom sizes add zero value to the education process over larger classrooms. If you need smaller classrooms to succeed, please go to the nearest community college and end up working at McDonalds the rest of your life. We don't need your kind diluting the value of a degree from a prestigious university like Ohio State.
    There are absolutely NO studies that "validate" student preference. You are wrong.
  • sleeper
    They don't have to raise their costs for anything. But they will. Oh, raise ticket prices for football games...that means the fan environment is going to get better huh? Not. Everything rises and they continue to screw the consumers. Thank you capitalism.
    How can they screw the consumer? The consumer has a choice to exchange their capital for a service or a good. If the price for the service/good is above the value that the consumer is willing to pay, they have a choice not to purchase the good. If the producer can earn more money by charging more money for a good/service, then good for them! Ohio State football is an elite brand of athletics that can utilize premium pricing since the demand is off the charts. If anything, Ohio State has been generous in keeping ticket prices down despite ever increasing demand. I don't mind the increase if Ohio State feels they can make more money and enhance the university with the newly generated revenue.
  • sleeper
    There are absolutely NO studies that "validate" student preference. You are wrong.
    Except we aren't talking about student preference, we are talking about value added. If you don't want an elite education because you prefer smaller classroom sizes(which studies have correlated highly with their irrelevancy), then please go to your local community college. Ohio State has plenty of demand and doesn't need the people who bitch about classroom sizes being too big for them. You know most mentally handicapped people utilize smaller classrooms sizes and I'm not implying anything with that comment just saying. :thumbup:
  • OSH
    sleeper;1400535 wrote:How can they screw the consumer? The consumer has a choice to exchange their capital for a service or a good. If the price for the service/good is above the value that the consumer is willing to pay, they have a choice not to purchase the good. If the producer can earn more money by charging more money for a good/service, then good for them! Ohio State football is an elite brand of athletics that can utilize premium pricing since the demand is off the charts. If anything, Ohio State has been generous in keeping ticket prices down despite ever increasing demand. I don't mind the increase if Ohio State feels they can make more money and enhance the university with the newly generated revenue.
    Wrong. Intercollegiate athletics is based around the educational atmosphere. If it has become elite and become its own business, then the educational institution's decisions shouldn't affect a pasttime, entertainment, or a proprietary business. The "consumer" (i.e., student) has no choice in the matter that hundreds of thousands of dollars of their tuition money helps fund athletic endeavors -- and ones that surpass hundreds of millions of dollars.
    sleeper;1400539 wrote:Except we aren't talking about student preference, we are talking about value added. If you don't want an elite education because you prefer smaller classroom sizes(which studies have correlated highly with their irrelevancy), then please go to your local community college. Ohio State has plenty of demand and doesn't need the people who bitch about classroom sizes being too big for them. You know most mentally handicapped people utilize smaller classrooms sizes and I'm not implying anything with that comment just saying.
    Value added...institutional choice is completely up to the student. A student can value smaller classrooms. So...there it is. Not too hard to understand, but maybe they didn't teach you logic at the "best school in the nation." There are absolutely ZERO studies showing that there are benefits to larger classrooms over smaller classrooms. Your "studies" claim is absolutely absurd. But, this is your act. I don't know why I give in.
  • sleeper
    Wrong. Intercollegiate athletics is based around the educational atmosphere. If it has become elite and become its own business, then the educational institution's decisions shouldn't affect a pasttime, entertainment, or a proprietary business. The "consumer" (i.e., student) has no choice in the matter that hundreds of thousands of dollars of their tuition money helps fund athletic endeavors -- and ones that surpass hundreds of millions of dollars.
    The Ohio State athletic department keeps its finances separate from the university. I love your ignorance and hatred; I can feel it and I love it! :thumbup:
  • sleeper
    Value added...institutional choice is completely up to the student. A student can value smaller classrooms. So...there it is. Not too hard to understand, but maybe they didn't teach you logic at the "best school in the nation." There are absolutely ZERO studies showing that there are benefits to larger classrooms over smaller classrooms. Your "studies" claim is absolutely absurd. But, this is your act. I don't know why I give in.
    Let me sum this up for you. If you don't want bigger classrooms don't go to Ohio State. You also clearly have no idea what "value added" means. I would be surprise if you are currently employed with a salary; what shit hole of a school did you attend?
  • sleeper
    Please answer Marietta College. :laugh:
  • OSH
    sleeper;1400559 wrote:The Ohio State athletic department keeps its finances separate from the university. I love your ignorance and hatred; I can feel it and I love it!
    Keep on believing that. All departments aren't truly "separate." If you knew the higher education industry, you'd know that.

    I work in higher education. I also have substantial research in the structuring of institutions and athletic departments. I honestly could care less of which institution it is, they all screw kids.
    sleeper;1400563 wrote:Let me sum this up for you. If you don't want bigger classrooms don't go to Ohio State. You also clearly have no idea what "value added" means. I would be surprise if you are currently employed with a salary; what **** hole of a school did you attend?
    I sure do know what "value added" means. I also recruit WAY more students to institutions than you do. I know what students look for. There clearly is value to smaller classrooms, financially and educationally.
  • sleeper
    OSH;1400583 wrote:I sure do know what "value added" means. I also recruit WAY more students to institutions than you do. I know what students look for. There clearly is value to smaller classrooms, financially and educationally.
    THEN SEND THESE PIECE OF SHIT CHILDREN TO SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN OHIO STATE. We'll keep doing what we do and that is provided top notch academics and sculpting the leaders of tomorrow.
  • sleeper
    Keep on believing that. All departments aren't truly "separate." If you knew the higher education industry, you'd know that.

    I work in higher education. I also have substantial research in the structuring of institutions and athletic departments. I honestly could care less of which institution it is, they all screw kids.
    I am sorry Ohio State offers the complete educational package and that you are unable to recruit top candidates away from the prestige and glamour that is Ohio State. Once again, when giving criticism, at first look inward on yourself. Stop blaming Ohio State for your failures and misogyny.
  • OSH
    sleeper;1400592 wrote:I am sorry Ohio State offers the complete educational package and that you are unable to recruit top candidates away from the prestige and glamour that is Ohio State. Once again, when giving criticism, at first look inward on yourself. Stop blaming Ohio State for your failures and misogyny.
    This is the stuff that is ridiculous.

    You make all kinds of incredulous claims, with absolutely no proof. And then start personal attacks.

    Going back on ignore. Life was much better then.
  • sleeper
    OSH;1400593 wrote:This is the stuff that is ridiculous.

    You make all kinds of incredulous claims, with absolutely no proof. And then start personal attacks.

    Going back on ignore. Life was much better then.
    I choose not to engage in rational debate with close-minded and ignorant individuals. Given your current stance, I have decided that you are a lost cause with a vendetta against the object in which I hold sacred. Therefore, when you denigrate a great institution that is hell bent on building a better tomorrow, you can expect all sorts of venom to be rightfully thrown your way. It is the only way to absolve you of your ignorance; posting a study will only be ignored by those who don't want to seek the truth.
  • sleeper
    The misogyny was probably over the top, but I did that strictly for the lulz. :thumbup:
  • O-Trap
    sleeper;1400326 wrote:Then you would have no problem with taxing churches like the businesses that they are.
    I shouldn't have to restate this, but you apparently think all churches are (a) profitable businesses, and (b) designed for the purpose of being so. You cannot have possibly had any wide-ranging interaction with churches and believe this, given that you're painting the sum total of all churches by what you've apparently seen from a particularly small segment of them. In essence, you're trying to say that all fruits are apples.

    No. I'm saying to tighten the requirements to be considered a not-for-profit. Any church that meets them gets treated thus. Any that does not gets treated thus. If a church is being used as a way to profit, thus essentially using "church" as a loophole for tax purposes, then tax it. If not, then don't. Same way as any non-religious organization within the same umbrella of tax provisions. Do I need to explain that another way?
  • Devils Advocate
    Wow.... These Religion threads are exactly like this:

  • OSH
    Oh no...now the world is 80 million years older! Good thing I have science to prove that. I am sure nothing will change in this dating of the earth.
    Sure, the universe suddenly seems to be showing its age, now calculated at 13.8 billion years — 80 million years older than scientists had thought.