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Elementary School Children Killed By Gunman in Connecticut

  • Raw Dawgin' it
    reclegend22;1347373 wrote:Clark, what the ---- are you talking about? How is Ryan Lanza, who lives in New Jersey, and his "$150K minimum" a year salary even remotely responsible for what happened at Sandy Hook Elmentary School? I'll wait right here. Not to mention that these families aren't getting a dime from Nancy, a murdered victim, or her husband and they shouldn't either. Just stupid.

    Nancy Lanza had every damn right to own a means of protection against a home invasion. And, according to friends and family, that's the only reason she had those guns. She was not a member of the Newtown Militia who had landmines planted in her yard out front. She simply had the guns for peace of mind. If that's what you deem a "prepper," then I am fine with her being labeled as such. Her son had Aspergers and was shy and slightly depressed. He was not a paranoid schizophrenic who had an imaginary buddy named Charles Manson. Everyone who knew Adam has said they never, ever saw any violent tendencies from him. Nancy could never have known he'd shoot her and kill 20 children.
    He also was also self mutilating - that's more than shy and slightly depressed. The father is responsible for having ZERO influence on his kids life. And you're an idiot if you think it's safe to have that many gun accessible to a kid most likely on anti depressants and anti psychotic meds.

    Hind sight is 20/20 - but if she needed help with the kid and she was getting almost 300k a year, she could've done more to get him the help he needed. How the fuck can you sympathize with him?
  • reclegend22
    Raw Dawgin' it;1347385 wrote:He also was also self mutilating - that's more than shy and slightly depressed. The father is responsible for having ZERO influence on his kids life. And you're an idiot if you think it's safe to have that many gun accessible to a kid most likely on anti depressants and anti psychotic meds.

    Hind sight is 20/20 - but if she needed help with the kid and she was getting almost 300k a year, she could've done more to get him the help he needed. How the **** can you sympathize with him?
    Not symathizing with the kid. Sympathizing with the mother. In hindsight, she shouldn't have had that many guns in the house. Maybe should have just had one in her bedroom, locked in a combination safe. The fact that she did, though, does not make her a monster or even responsible for the murders. The kid was depressed, shy and had Aspergers. He wasn't a pyscho. Kids with Aspergers are highly bright children who live normal lives outside of the social awkwardness that is often associated with their condition, which is probably why Adam was so withdrawn. Kids with Aspergers don't go on shooting rampages because they have Aspergers. To draw that connection is what is idiotic. Nancy having guns in her home was perfectly fine. There are people here in Ohio from the sticks who should never in a million years have access to a firearm, yet they do. Whole houses full of them. And they let their kids go with them to shoot things in the woods.

    Something happened inside this kid's head that caused a mental break. Maybe he had some evil in him, if you believe in that sort of thing. But from all we have heard up until now from friends and family, Friday was the first time they'd ever heard or seen of Adam doing anything remotely violent. Until Friday, he was just a kid with Aspergers. Not a murderer.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    reclegend22;1347408 wrote:Not symathizing with the kid. Sympathizing with the mother. In hindsight, she shouldn't have had that many guns in the house. Maybe should have just had one in her bedroom, locked in a combination safe. The fact that she did, though, does not make her a monster or even responsible for the murders. The kid was depressed, shy and had Aspergers. He wasn't a pyscho. Kids with Aspergers are highly bright children who live normal lives outside of the social awkwardness that is often associated with their condition, which is probably why Adam was so withdrawn. Kids with Aspergers don't go on shooting rampages because they have Aspergers. To draw that connection is what is idiotic. Nancy having guns in her home was perfectly fine. There are people here in Ohio from the sticks who should never in a million years have access to a firearm, yet they do. Whole houses full of them. And they let their kids go with them to shoot things in the woods.

    Something happened inside this kid's head that caused a mental break. Maybe he had some evil in him, if you believe in that sort of thing. But from all we have heard up until now from friends and family, Friday was the first time they'd ever heard or seen of Adam doing anything remotely violent. Until Friday, he was just a kid with Aspergers. Not a murderer.
    I wish they'd release what medication he was on or lack there of. I don't sympathize for anyone in that family for one second.
  • justincredible
    Raw Dawgin' it;1347414 wrote:I wish they'd release what medication he was on or lack there of. I don't sympathize for anyone in that family for one second.
    I certainly sympathize with the older brother.
  • Shane Falco
    Webfire.....Cause we as a nation havent asked him to. Do not look to blame god or ask for answers from god in places you don't allow god.
  • sherm03
    Shane Falco;1347449 wrote:Cause we as a nation havent asked him to. Do not look to blame god or ask for answers from god in places you don't allow god.
    Wait. What?
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    Shane Falco;1347449 wrote:Webfire.....Cause we as a nation havent asked him to. Do not look to blame god or ask for answers from god in places you don't allow god.
    gtfo with this nonsense - isn't god everywhere? stfu.
  • GoChiefs
    Raw Dawgin' it;1347469 wrote:gtfo with this nonsense - isn't god everywhere? stfu.
    *God

    Only if you allow him to be!
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    justincredible;1347432 wrote:I certainly sympathize with the older brother.
    Agreed, from what I've read (and admittedly I haven't been following the entire situation), the older brother moved on with his life. Tough for him him to lose his mother, and he had nothing at all to do with the action, or more likely inaction that resulted in this tragedy.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    This was a great moment - fuck WBC

  • Tiernan
    Manhattan Buckeye;1347651 wrote:Agreed, from what I've read (and admittedly I haven't been following the entire situation), the older brother moved on with his life. Tough for him him to lose his mother, and he had nothing at all to do with the action, or more likely inaction that resulted in this tragedy.
    You Big Bro sympathisers are giving him a free pass on sherking his family (and civic) duty to try and get his known mentally twisted sibling some help. And for those who think the victims can't go after the Lanza family's assets...you are dead wrong. I've heard two separate attorneys one on CNN and one on HLN say they would be very surprised if a victims coalition of some type doesn't go after the estate, Dad and any inheritance to the brother for negligence. I hope they strip these clowns clean.
  • GoChiefs
    Tiernan;1347689 wrote:You Big Bro sympathisers are giving him a free pass on sherking his family (and civic) duty to try and get his known mentally twisted sibling some help. And for those who think the victims can't go after the Lanza family's assets...you are dead wrong. I've heard two separate attorneys one on CNN and one on HLN say they would be very surprised if a victims coalition of some type doesn't go after the estate, Dad and any inheritance to the brother for negligence. I hope they strip these clowns clean.

    In that caae, lets condemn your family and strip them of everything l for not getting you help for a drinking problem. Its their fault you could have potentially killed someone. Its their fault you were arrested for driving drunk.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    GoChiefs;1347692 wrote:In that caae, lets condemn your family and strip them of everything l for not getting you help for a drinking problem. Its their fault you could have potentially killed someone. Its their fault you were arrested for driving drunk.
    I don't know about you - but if it were me, i'd go after every penny that the father had.
  • fish82
    Tiernan;1347689 wrote:You Big Bro sympathisers are giving him a free pass on sherking his family (and civic) duty to try and get his known mentally twisted sibling some help. And for those who think the victims can't go after the Lanza family's assets...you are dead wrong. I've heard two separate attorneys one on CNN and one on HLN say they would be very surprised if a victims coalition of some type doesn't go after the estate, Dad and any inheritance to the brother for negligence. I hope they strip these clowns clean.
    LOL. Best of luck with that.:rolleyes:
  • Tiernan
    GoChiefs;1347692 wrote:In that caae, lets condemn your family and strip them of everything l for not getting you help for a drinking problem. Its their fault you could have potentially killed someone. Its their fault you were arrested for driving drunk.
    If I actually had a known "drinking problem" meaning I was a diagnosed alcoholic and my family knew it and also knew I routinely drove while intoxicated and then actually did kill someone & myself, I'm sure some attorney would try to take everything I had and possibly any inheritance I'd left for my kids.

    But since none of your fantasy ever happened but Lanza's did exactly as I described, any judge in the land would agree with me when I say GFYAH.
  • Tiernan
    fish82;1347708 wrote:LOL. Best of luck with that.:rolleyes:
    Legal experts on nationally syndicated news shows are saying this is a possibility...so I imagine it has some validity Sparky.
  • GoChiefs
    Tiernan;1347712 wrote:If I actually had a known "drinking problem" meaning I was a diagnosed alcoholic and my family knew it and also knew I routinely drove while intoxicated and then actually did kill someone & myself, I'm sure some attorney would try to take everything I had and possibly any inheritance I'd left for my kids.

    But since none of your fantasy ever happened but Lanza's did exactly as I described, any judge in the land would agree with me when I say GFYAH.

    You were arrested for drinking and driving. That proves its a problem for you. We are just lucky that in your case, the law was able to intervene first. No thanks to your family though. Your family should all be sued. Every last one of them.
  • Tiernan
    GoChiefs;1347719 wrote:You were arrested for drinking and driving. That proves its a problem for you. We are just lucky that in your case, the law was able to intervene first. No thanks to your family though. Your family should all be sued. Every last one of them.
    This is beyond dumb...even for you. Yes I was arrested for drinking & driving (but since the vehicle was not moving at the time of the arrest...legally parked actually with me behind the wheel) my attorney correctly argued I was not "driving" and thus avoided the DUI conviction.

    But the real crux of your post being beyond retarded is that it has absolutely zero correlation to the Lanza's situation.
  • FatHobbit
    Tiernan;1347725 wrote:This is beyond dumb...even for you. Yes I was arrested for drinking & driving (but since the vehicle was not moving at the time of the arrest...legally parked actually with me behind the wheel) my attorney correctly argued I was not "driving" and thus avoided the DUI conviction.

    But the real crux of your post being beyond retarded is that it has absolutely zero correlation to the Lanza's situation.
    I don't know. Before he flipped out you could argue that Lanza was "drunk while legally parked."
  • reclegend22
    Tiernan;1347714 wrote:Legal experts on nationally syndicated news shows are saying this is a possibility...so I imagine it has some validity Sparky.
    These legal experts that appear on shows on channels such as HLN could win Emmys on Boston Legal for all of their ostentation. Most of them are regular contributors who are being compensated to provide not only legal analysis, but also a "show." HLN wants them to raise provocative points on air regarding the case. It makes for interesting television. These families might as well save some money on legal fees and hire Murphy Brown because they will not be getting anything from the divorced father or the brother. Believing that the victims could clean Ryan Lanza&#8217;s bank account for something his brother did is straight up f------ crazy. You know why that brother left his mother and brother behind in Newtown? Because he got a mother------- job in Manhattan. Stop being obtuse.</SPAN>
  • Tiernan
    FatHobbit;1347734 wrote:I don't know. Before he flipped out you could argue that Lanza was "drunk while legally parked."
    ...his delusional Mom maybe...sounds like she liked to knock 'em back pretty regularly.
  • Tiernan
    Those families won't ever have to pay a dime in legal fees Recleague if they decide to pursue it. Unfortunately most of the children's families are wealthy too and they may decide just to collect death benefits and try to survive their grief. But the teachers probably were not all that wealthy and hopefully they tear dear ol Dad a new one in court and nail some of Manhattan Jrs. inheritance to boot.
  • reclegend22
    Tiernan;1347738 wrote:...his delusional Mom maybe...sounds like she liked to knock 'em back pretty regularly.
    That's not what the owners of "My Place" nor her family have said at all. They said she might have had one or two glasses of wine a couple of times a week -- at least with regard to at the bar -- but that most nights she simply stopped in for takeout food for her and Adam. The owners made it clear that she was a responsible mother and not a partying drunk.

    Hey, Stephen Glass, do you just make shit up as you go?
  • GoChiefs
    Tiernan;1347725 wrote:This is beyond dumb...even for you. Yes I was arrested for drinking & driving (but since the vehicle was not moving at the time of the arrest...legally parked actually with me behind the wheel) my attorney correctly argued I was not "driving" and thus avoided the DUI conviction.

    But the real crux of your post being beyond retarded is that it has absolutely zero correlation to the Lanza's situation.

    No, its not dumb. Point is, your family are liable for your actions by your logic. That doesn't sound dumb? Yea, you're wrong.
  • reclegend22
    Tiernan;1347747 wrote:Those families won't ever have to pay a dime in legal fees Recleague if they decide to pursue it. Unfortunately most of the children's families are wealthy too and they may decide just to collect death benefits and try to survive their grief. But the teachers probably were not all that wealthy and hopefully they tear dear ol Dad a new one in court and nail some of Manhattan Jrs. inheritance to boot.
    I see you ducked this....

    Believing that the victims could clean Ryan Lanza&#8217;s bank account for something his brother did is straight up f------ crazy. You know why that brother left his mother and brother behind in Newtown? Because he got a mother------- job in Manhattan. Stop being obtuse.</SPAN>

    Your logic is not good, let's put it that way. No judge would EVER reward the victims with Ryan Lanza's bank account. And, quite frankly, none of the victims would want it. They know who was responsible. Adam Lanza. In fact, one of the fathers of the children who were murdered said on Piers Morgan Tonight yesterday evening that he doesn't blame the father or the brother at all, and that they are going through the same grieving process that he is. He said his heart is with them, just as it is with the families of the other 26 victims. You are dead wrong.