2015 General College Football Discussion

• Tiernan

  SportsAndLady;1753256 wrote:Does Notre Dame still bring money in? I don't know a single person who doesn't go or has already gone to Notre Dame who likes them.

  You just once again proved you know nothing about CFB...didn't you "Mike LB"? Oh yeah nobody here's gonna ever let you forget that one dumbass.
• Tiernan

  slingshot4ever;1753268 wrote:Wonder if that means UM is better than most might think.

  Uh yeah...that's what I've been trying to tell all you...Harbaugh coming to scUM is a nightmare for us. The game on Nov 28 IN FKG ANN ARBOR!!! just got so big the oxygen left the room. OSU has the talent to win that game but right now I'm questioning whether they gave the heart.
• sleeper

  

  sherm03;1753269 wrote:I know. That's why I quoted his post and responded to it...
  
  
  
  Not boasting about anything. Just stating facts. College athletics are 100% about money above anything else. Notre Dame is a school that brings that money in, even when they absolutely blow. Given similar records, ND would have the advantage because of the ratings/money they would draw. Not really anything braggy about any of that.
  
  
  
  You really have no clue what you're talking about, huh?

  I don't really think it matters quite frankly. ESPN already bought the rights from the NCAA to showcase the games for the next 10 years, so really the only people that can make more money is ESPN. The CFP committee has no attachment or incentive to make sure that ESPN makes more money from a higher rated game. The reality is, ND should be punished for not playing in a conference championship game and relying on the "money" advantage is laughable at best. This ain't the 1970's dude; ND has been trash for decades.
• sherm03

  

  sleeper;1753280 wrote:I don't really think it matters quite frankly. ESPN already bought the rights from the NCAA to showcase the games for the next 10 years, so really the only people that can make more money is ESPN. The CFP committee has no attachment or incentive to make sure that ESPN makes more money from a higher rated game. The reality is, ND should be punished for not playing in a conference championship game and relying on the "money" advantage is laughable at best. This ain't the 1970's dude; ND has been trash for decades.

  "I think that when they decide to not play FCS teams, then maybe we can be on an equal footing." - Brian Kelly.
  
  Translation: when everyone else is actually playing 12 games against FBS schools plus a conference championship, you'd have a point. Until then, ND plays just as many, if not more, FBS schools than most schools out there (with the exception being OSU and top schools in the B1G...who don't schedule FCS schools either).
  
  And if you think that the CFP committee isn't swayed at all by ESPN, you're hilarious.
• SportsAndLady

  

  sleeper;1753280 wrote:This ain't the 1970's dude; ND has been trash for decades.

  Yep. They'll be a mid major team in the next 10 years. Nobody grows up liking the Irish anymore. Like you said, this isn't the 70's. Young people like teams who play in conferences and aren't affiliated with a religion.
• sherm03

  

  SportsAndLady;1753284 wrote:Yep. They'll be a mid major team in the next 10 years. Nobody grows up liking the Irish anymore. Like you said, this isn't the 70's. Young people like teams who play in conferences and aren't affiliated with a religion.

  Wrong. Young people like teams who win. And if kids aren't growing up liking Notre Dame, then all those kids I see at the stadium wearing their Irish jerseys every day sure are confused.
  
  LOL at the idea of a kid trying to figure out which team he likes and saying, "oh wait...they aren't in a conference, I don't like them." So ridiculous man.
• SportsAndLady

  

  sherm03;1753285 wrote:Wrong. Young people like teams who win. And if kids aren't growing up liking Notre Dame, then all those kids I see at the stadium wearing their Irish jerseys every day sure are confused.
  
  LOL at the idea of a kid trying to figure out which team he likes and saying, "oh wait...they aren't in a conference, I don't like them." So ridiculous man.

  Those kids are just there because their parents liked the Irish in the 70's and are being forced to like ND. Poor kids. Probably have a different game up on their phones the whole ND game watching teams they actually like.
• sleeper

  

  sherm03;1753283 wrote:"I think that when they decide to not play FCS teams, then maybe we can be on an equal footing." - Brian Kelly.
  
  Translation: when everyone else is actually playing 12 games against FBS schools plus a conference championship, you'd have a point. Until then, ND plays just as many, if not more, FBS schools than most schools out there (with the exception being OSU and top schools in the B1G...who don't schedule FCS schools either).
  
  And if you think that the CFP committee isn't swayed at all by ESPN, you're hilarious.

  They don't have a conference championship game and they can never be a conference champion. We saw what happened last year because of that.
  
  Keep that tin foil hat on and tell me more about the money conspiracy in CFB. Let me guess, OSU only got in because they are OSU and they bring more $ in. LOL
• sleeper

  

  sherm03;1753285 wrote:Wrong. Young people like teams who win. And if kids aren't growing up liking Notre Dame, then all those kids I see at the stadium wearing their Irish jerseys every day sure are confused.
  
  LOL at the idea of a kid trying to figure out which team he likes and saying, "oh wait...they aren't in a conference, I don't like them." So ridiculous man.

  You're delusional if you don't think the fan base is depleting quickly. You are right, people like teams who win and ND hasn't won ANYTHING in 30 years. They also aren't the only team on TV on Saturday afternoons like 50 years ago.
• sherm03

  

  sleeper;1753292 wrote:They don't have a conference championship game and they can never be a conference champion. We saw what happened last year because of that.
  
  Keep that tin foil hat on and tell me more about the money conspiracy in CFB. Let me guess, OSU only got in because they are OSU and they bring more $ in. LOL

  If you don't think that CFB is all about the money, then you are the one that is delusional...and naive...and pretty dumb.
  

  sleeper;1753294 wrote:You're delusional if you don't think the fan base is depleting quickly. You are right, people like teams who win and ND hasn't won ANYTHING in 30 years. They also aren't the only team on TV on Saturday afternoons like 50 years ago.

  Pretty amazing to keep selling out the stadium, staying near the top of the revenue generated year after year, and continuing to pull in ratings with a quickly depleting fan base...
• ts1227

  

  sleeper;1753292 wrote:They don't have a conference championship game and they can never be a conference champion. We saw what happened last year because of that.
  
  Keep that tin foil hat on and tell me more about the money conspiracy in CFB. Let me guess, OSU only got in because they are OSU and they bring more $ in. LOL

  I loathe the conference championship arguments. I dont give a shit who is the best of random schools that schedule each other yearly to save on travel (which is all a conference really is), I want to know who the best 4 teams are.
• sleeper

  

  ts1227;1753471 wrote:I loathe the conference championship arguments. I dont give a shit who is the best of random schools that schedule each other yearly to save on travel (which is all a conference really is), I want to know who the best 4 teams are.

  Determining that is impossible and conference champion at least signifies you are the best in your region.
• sleeper

  

  sherm03;1753470 wrote:If you don't think that CFB is all about the money, then you are the one that is delusional...and naive...and pretty dumb.
  
  
  
  Pretty amazing to keep selling out the stadium, staying near the top of the revenue generated year after year, and continuing to pull in ratings with a quickly depleting fan base...

  You have yet to explain the financial mechanics and benefit to the 13 member CFP committee. They represent universities who have already earned 90% of the money from the bowl games already from media TV rights. Every team from a power 5 conference would sell out tickets and buy merchandise so the other 10% is a given. The only one who benefits from higher ratings is ESPN who again has zero influence on the committee.
  
  Explain to me the financial mechanics and benefit and maybe we can talk. You look like quite the dolt spewing memes from the 70's.
• Tiernan

  I hate ND more than anybody but Sleeper and S&L are a couple of complete dolts if they don't think the Irish Famine still maintains a very influential place in CFB. The 13 pickers are gonna do everything in their power to place ND in the Final 4 if it can be pulled off without looking like complete idiots. TV money drives the close decisions everything else being equal and TV looooves ND. We've already established that Sleeper knows nothing about CFB because he refuses to acknowledge top to bottom the SEC is better than the B1G and S&L proved he's nothing more than a coed that paints herself red each week, drinks peach vodka and asks the guys next to her...Ooooo I'm soooo wasted...who are we playing today? Because he doesn't know what a Mike LB is does he gang?
• sherm03

  

  sleeper;1753480 wrote:You have yet to explain the financial mechanics and benefit to the 13 member CFP committee. They represent universities who have already earned 90% of the money from the bowl games already from media TV rights. Every team from a power 5 conference would sell out tickets and buy merchandise so the other 10% is a given. The only one who benefits from higher ratings is ESPN who again has zero influence on the committee.
  
  Explain to me the financial mechanics and benefit and maybe we can talk. You look like quite the dolt spewing memes from the 70's.

  Can you prove that ESPN has zero influence on the committee? Burden of proof is on you.
• sleeper

  

  sherm03;1753488 wrote:Can you prove that ESPN has zero influence on the committee? Burden of proof is on you.

  Proof that something doesn't exist? You are the one making the claim. That isn't how logic works.
• sleeper

  

  Tiernan;1753484 wrote:I hate ND more than anybody but Sleeper and S&L are a couple of complete dolts if they don't think the Irish Famine still maintains a very influential place in CFB. The 13 pickers are gonna do everything in their power to place ND in the Final 4 if it can be pulled off without looking like complete idiots. TV money drives the close decisions everything else being equal and TV looooves ND. We've already established that Sleeper knows nothing about CFB because he refuses to acknowledge top to bottom the SEC is better than the B1G and S&L proved he's nothing more than a coed that paints herself red each week, drinks peach vodka and asks the guys next to her...Ooooo I'm soooo wasted...who are we playing today? Because he doesn't know what a Mike LB is does he gang?

  Please explain the financial mechanics and the incentive of the 13 member committee to earn more money.
  
  It's laughable that a bunch of old guys that don't know how finance works and think there is a massive conspiracy to maximize the revenue of ESPN at the expense of the credibility and integrity of the game itself. Grow up.
• Tiernan

  Sherm quit arguing with him...he knows nothing about football, just ignore his attempts at trying to come off as an accepted authority on CFB...he's a proven fraud.
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Tiernan;1753497 wrote:Sherm quit arguing with him...he knows nothing about football, just ignore his attempts at trying to come off as an accepted authority on CFB...he's a proven fraud.

  You've been proven wrong more times than you have right. Talk about fraud
• Classyposter58

  

  BG is 2-0 vs the B1G and OSU is number one. What a great September!
• FatHobbit

  

  slingshot4ever;1753268 wrote:Wonder if that means UM is better than most might think.

  Between Utah blowing out Oregon and um beating BYU pretty easily I think um is better than I expected...
• Tiernan

  DeyDurkie5;1753503 wrote:You've been proven wrong more times than you have right. Talk about fraud

  I've never been wrong. Especially about Clowns, Thugaliers and any &all assorted NEO losers.
• Ironman92

  

  When I was in high school and even through much of the 90's the area I live was a size able portion ND fans. They were prominent in the area for sure. Sitting here in 2015 I know 2 ND fans ad they are both around 50-55 years old and (I swear) wear their ND Starter jackets.
  
  ND trailed only Ohio State for a long time around here in seeing their merchandise.....now behind OSU, Ohio U, WVU, Marshall, UC, Michigan....while UK, Oregon, IU, FSU, Florida, Tennessee, UT all are seen as much as the rare ND apparel.
  
  When ND started being shown every Sat on NBC it was pretty cool still....couldn't tell you the last time I watched them as a main game on that day.
• sherm03

  

  Ironman92;1753531 wrote:When I was in high school and even through much of the 90's the area I live was a size able portion ND fans. They were prominent in the area for sure. Sitting here in 2015 I know 2 ND fans ad they are both around 50-55 years old and (I swear) wear their ND Starter jackets.
  
  ND trailed only Ohio State for a long time around here in seeing their merchandise.....now behind OSU, Ohio U, WVU, Marshall, UC, Michigan....while UK, Oregon, IU, FSU, Florida, Tennessee, UT all are seen as much as the rare ND apparel.
  
  When ND started being shown every Sat on NBC it was pretty cool still....couldn't tell you the last time I watched them as a main game on that day.

  That may be the case in the area you live. But the numbers nationwide do not support your claim. Ask yourself this question...why would Under Armour, Nike, and Adidas all bid on the Notre Dame contract for apparel recently, and why would Under Armour agree to the "largest financial commitment ever made by a brand to a university" if the brand wasn't selling? That would not make any business sense at all. But the fact is, Under Armour is going to be raking in the cash thanks to the amount of Notre Dame merchandise they will be selling.
  
  Notre Dame...no matter how irrelevant everyone wants to say that they are or are becoming...is still the #2 most valuable team in the country.
  http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2014/12/22/college-footballs-most-valuable-teams-2014/
  
  They also have sold out every home game since 1966 (except for 1 in 1973 played on Thanksgiving day). So if the fan base is dwindling, there are still plenty of people showing up every week. The fan base for Notre Dame is fine. Even if the team is pretty shaky at best.
  
  
  And Sleeper, the fact that you think anyone involved gives two shits about the "integrity" of college football is laughable. It's a business. Saying the CFP committee isn't interested in putting together games that would garner the highest ratings possible is like saying that the players don't ever accept cash handshakes from boosters. You're crazy if you think the CFP committee doesn't want the teams that bring in the most money and generate the highest ratings in the CFP.
• sleeper

  

  I think its funny that ND fans talk about fan base, revenue, contracts, etc. and not anything that actually matters.
  
  I don't give a flying fuck how much money or fans OSU has and I never will. When is ND going to grow up and join a conference like everyone else? No wonder they can't win anything; everyone is focused on money rather than winning. LOL