College Basketball Random Chatter 2013-2014 Season

• wildcats20

  

  reclegend22;1584550 wrote:Syracuse is not the best team in the ACC. Have you seen them play the past four weeks? This is a first or second round NCAA loss waiting to happen.

  I agree.
  
  I would say the Dookies are the best team followed by UVA. I honestly believe, especially with the way BOTH teams are playing now, that Cuse and Carolina are very equal. And if there was a return visit to Chapel Hill this year, the Heels would take it.
  
  The top 4 is very good in the ACC.
• reclegend22

  

  wildcats20;1584551 wrote:I agree.
  
  I would say the Dookies are the best team followed by UVA. I honestly believe, especially with the way BOTH teams are playing now, that Cuse and Carolina are very equal. And if there was a return visit to Chapel Hill this year, the Heels would take it.
  
  The top 4 is very good in the ACC.

  Duke and Virginia are really close. The Cavs are really playing well. I am relieved Duke does not have to travel to Charlottesville, because they'd have no chance there. I think Virginia takes Syracuse down another peg on Saturday.
  
  Right now, I'd go Virginia, Duke, North Carolina and Syracuse, in that order. While I am not a big fan of Syracuse and think they'll fade early in March, I'd be remiss if I didn't admit that the Orange have the talent -- and coaching, which is important -- to play into April.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I've watched about 10 games of Virginia's this year, due to our fantasy league.
  
  They're not the top team in the ACC; they're not even the 2nd best. IMO:
  
  Cuse
  Duke
  
  UVA
  
  UNC
• Azubuike24

  

  UNC they way they are playing now and the way they played for a stretch in December is better than UVA.
  
  Surprisingly, people are thinking because of the new rules, UVA will be a tough out this year...Final Four type out.
• Azubuike24

  

  Fly4Fun;1584529 wrote:Is Oklahoma State even a tournament team? They'll be sub .500 in conference if they don't win out ( vs. Kansas, KSU, and @ Iowa State). Losing 8 of 9 games will kill a teams resume.

  Okie State won't even make the dance. I agree.
  
  They will have 3 more losses.
• Azubuike24

  

  K-State also in a dogfight vs TT. A loss here puts them at 18-10, 8-7. With a remaining slate of Iowa State, Baylor and Oklahoma State, they aren't out of the woods yet either...
• SportsAndLady

  

  Azubuike24;1584569 wrote:Okie State won't even make the dance. I agree.
  
  They will have 3 more losses.

  I think they're in..I haven't looked at any bracketology's but NINE of their 10 losses against RPI top 45 teams. That one loss was @ Texas Tech. TT is a decent 13-14 team lol Only bad loss was to Alabama on the road.
• wildcats20

  

  Lunardi has Okie State in one of the play in games.
• Azubuike24

  

  SportsAndLady;1584576 wrote:I think they're in..I haven't looked at any bracketology's but NINE of their 10 losses against RPI top 45 teams. That one loss was @ Texas Tech. TT is a decent 13-14 team lol Only bad loss was to Alabama on the road.

  Teams with 12 conference losses don't make the dance.
  
  Unless you feel Okie State beats KU, then I simply don't see them NOT losing 3 more.
  
  1. Kansas
  2. Iowa State or Kansas State
  3. Big XII Tournament
• SportsAndLady

  

  Azubuike24;1584582 wrote:Teams with 12 conference losses don't make the dance.
  
  Unless you feel Okie State beats KU, then I simply don't see them NOT losing 3 more.
  
  1. Kansas
  2. Iowa State or Kansas State
  3. Big XII Tournament

  They win 1 more in the regular season and 1 in the conf. tourney, that's 20-13. With 12 of the 13 losses to RPI top 50 teams. They'd be in.
  
  No team has made it in with 12 conference losses (I'm assuming), but no team has ever had that many losses to good teams.
• Azubuike24

  

  SportsAndLady;1584583 wrote:They win 1 more in the regular season and 1 in the conf. tourney, that's 20-13. With 12 of the 13 losses to RPI top 50 teams. They'd be in.
  
  No team has made it in with 12 conference losses (I'm assuming), but no team has ever had that many losses to good teams.

  Makes it a tough call then. Unprecedented mix of bad and good...
• reclegend22

  

  OKlahoma State might get in, but they certainly don't deserve to be as of right now. They'll need to finish at least .500 in the conference, and with their remaining schedule that means winning all three games against Kansas, K-State and @Iowa State. Not gonna happen. Even if they pull that off, the coaching just isn't there to make a deep tourney run. Marcus Smart would have to play out of his mind.
  
  As for Virginia, the Cavs are as good as anybody in the country with regard to dictating how a game is going to be played. Their defense is second to none and they have just enough balance offensively to propel them on a long run IMO. They are in much better shape than Syracuse right now. The Orange are not a top three team in the ACC at this point.
• reclegend22

  

  Azubuike24;1584567 wrote:UNC they way they are playing now and the way they played for a stretch in December is better than UVA.
  
  Surprisingly, people are thinking because of the new rules, UVA will be a tough out this year...Final Four type out.

  I can see that argument. There's no question, though, that Duke, Virginia and North Carolina are the hottest teams in the ACC at the moment. Syracuse has been absolutely pedestrian the past month and, based on their NCAA history in recent years, I don't see much of a future for this team in March.
• SportsAndLady

  

  reclegend22;1584586 wrote:OKlahoma State might get in, but they certainly don't deserve to be as of right now. They'll need to finish at least .500 in the conference, and with their remaining schedule that means winning all three games against Kansas, K-State and @Iowa State. Not gonna happen. Even if they pull that off, the coaching just isn't there to make a deep tourney run. Marcus Smart would have to play out of his mind.

  I disagree. If they get to 20 wins, with that schedule, no way the committee leaves them out.
  
  I do agree that they may not deserve it, because they play so much below their potential, but they also got to 20 wins with what will be 20 games against top 100 opponents. That's not great, but it's not NIT-worthy.
• Azubuike24

  

  Rec, if your expectation is for them to get to .500 in conference play to get in, that would also mean they would have 6 top 50 wins (because they would have to beat 2 of KU/ISU/KSU) and at least 1 of them in the Big XII Tourney (and win 2 total). That would get them in on quality anyway.
  
  If they go 21-13, 8-12, as I think, that makes them a really, really difficult case.
• reclegend22

  

  SportsAndLady;1584594 wrote:I disagree. If they get to 20 wins, with that schedule, no way the committee leaves them out.
  
  I do agree that they may not deserve it, because they play so much below their potential, but they also got to 20 wins with what will be 20 games against top 100 opponents. That's not great, but it's not NIT-worthy.

  There are some similarities IMO between Oklahoma State this year and Baylor last year. Last season (like this season lol), the Bears were incredibly talented and played a difficult schedule nationally but underperformed to the level of that talent and finished with 13 losses in the regular-season (including 9-9 in the Big XII). In the end, that got Baylor a trip to the NIT.
  
  If the Cowboys don't win one game against either Kansas or Iowa State, the Cowboys have no chance of getting a bid unless they make an impressive run in the Big XII tournament. It doesn't matter how great the teams you lost to are if you don't have any standout wins over the last two months of the season.
• Azubuike24

  

  In the biggest "WTF of the day", Illinois-Chicago, who is 0-14 (5-23 overall) in the Horizon, was up nearly 30 points in the 2nd half AT Wisconsin-Milwaukee...who is 16-12....
• Midstate01

  

  Okie state sos is only 42. So for playing so many top 50 games they must have played even more non top 50 games. Osu played a awful awful schedule in ooc and their sos is 17
  
  
  Okie is 6-9 vs top 100
  3-9 vs top 50
• Midstate01

  

  Georgia is in 3rd place alone in the sec, but 9th in the sec in the rpi at 88.
  Mizzou at 45 has the conferences 3rd best rpi..
  
  The sec is so so bad.
• reclegend22

  

  Midstate01;1584633 wrote:Okie state sos is only 42. So for playing so many top 50 games they must have played even more non top 50 games. Osu played a awful awful schedule in ooc and their sos is 17
  
  
  Okie is 6-9 vs top 100
  3-9 vs top 50

  For what it's worth, Baylor, a similar underachieving team to Oklahoma State this year, had a SOS of 34 last year and, despite finishing with a .500 record in the Big XII and a couple of great non-conference wins including at Kentucky, the Bears were left out.
  
  At 6-9 in the Big XII with three games to play, I just don't see how Oklahoma State gets in the tournament without winning all three or, at the very least, finishing 2-1 while beating BOTH Kansas and Iowa State. This really doesn't mean much, but as an interesting side note no Big XII team in history has ever finished sub-.500 in conference play and received an at-large bid to the NCAAs.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Midstate01;1584633 wrote:Okie state sos is only 42. So for playing so many top 50 games they must have played even more non top 50 games. Osu played a awful awful schedule in ooc and their sos is 17

  Ok State has 16 games against RPI 50+. Arizona has 16 games against RPI 50+. Ohio State 18 games. Florida 20 games.
  
  Not really sure waht your point was on that..they've played 12 games against top 50 teams. They've played 28 games total. That means they've played 16 games against teams 51+.
  
  Here's my point though: SoS is a piece of shit formula, and anyone who uses it (read: logic) to determine anything is doing it wrong.
• Midstate01

  

  Point was they are not doing very well against top 100 teams. I personally like okie state and think they have the players to actually play well but they haven't done it when they've had the chances against top 100 teams.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Midstate01;1584664 wrote:Point was they are not doing very well against top 100 teams. I personally like okie state and think they have the players to actually play well but they haven't done it when they've had the chances against top 100 teams.

  Most bubble teams don't get it done against top 100 teams. Ok State is 6-9. Providence is 6-9. St Johns is 5-9. Tennessee 7-9. None of them get it done against top 100 teams.
• Azubuike24

  

  None of those last 3 deserve NCAA bids either...
• SportsAndLady

  

  Azubuike24;1584718 wrote:None of those last 3 deserve NCAA bids either...

  As of right now they're in, according to lunardi. That's why I picked them.