College Basketball Random Chatter 2013-2014 Season

• Laley23

  

  WebFire;1547249 wrote:I honestly thought GRIII needed to come back to work on his game. But shit, I think he is driving his draft stock the wrong way fast.

  He simply was all athlete last year, which was fine. But he, imo, was never going to be able to improve on a lottery pick (same with McGary) because neither are NEARLY good enough to play as the star. Hell, GRob wasnt even the #1 WING last year, let alone #1 option. Burke did so much for those guys, and Hardaway did more than people realize as well.
  
  Its early, but I wasnt a believe last year, so it will take a lot to change my mind.
• Mulva

  

  Utah and Boise St is a pretty good one on CBS Sports.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Laley23;1547254 wrote:He simply was all athlete last year, which was fine. But he, imo, was never going to be able to improve on a lottery pick (same with McGary) because neither are NEARLY good enough to play as the star. Hell, GRob wasnt even the #1 WING last year, let alone #1 option. Burke did so much for those guys, and Hardaway did more than people realize as well.
  
  Its early, but I wasnt a believe last year, so it will take a lot to change my mind.

  They're not going to be asked to be the #1 option in the nba, so they can still benefit an nba team. But yeah, their draft stock wouldn't have ever been higher than what it was last season. Stupid to come back.
• reclegend22

  

  Mulva;1547217 wrote:I'd replace Jackson and McConnell with Hanlan and Elfrid Payton.
  
  Michigan looks terrible.

  Got damn. Hanlan is another guy I forgot. Without question a top ten point guard in college basketball. Aside from possibly Marcus Smart, there isn't a more talented scorer at the position than Hanlan. I made my list way too quickly. Then again, it's hard to fit all of this year's point guards into a ten man list. There are just so many viable options from which to choose.
  
  As for Craft, I have personally never liked the kid's game as much as the experts seem to, as I don't think he adds much value offensively -- at east nowhere near enough to be considered elite -- but because of the other intangibles that Azu spoke about above, I included him. There were many preseason outlets that named Craft First Team All-American. Talk about exaggeration.
• reclegend22

  

  Mulva;1547259 wrote:Utah and Boise St is a pretty good one on CBS Sports.

  That's the best news I've heard all night.
• Mulva

  

  Derrick Marks is a terrible interview.
• sportswizuhrd

  Anyone else think Kevin Pangos (Gonzaga) is a top 10 PG?
• sportswizuhrd

  Cousy Award watch list named 45 PG's...
  
  Kyle Anderson, UCLA
  Keith Appling, Michigan State
  Ryan Arcidiacono, Villanova
  Dominic Artis, Oregon
  Eric Atkins, Notre Dame
  Billy Baron, Canisus
  Devon Bookert, Florida State
  Jason Brickman, Long Island-Brooklyn
  Jahii Carson, Arizona State
  Siyani Chambers, Harvard
  Semaj Christon, Xavier
  Jordan Clarkson, Missouri
  Justin Cobbs, California
  Brett Comer, Florida Gulf Coast
  Quinn Cook, Duke
  Aaron Craft, Ohio State
  Brandyn Curry, Harvard
  Spencer Dinwiddie, Colorado
  Michael Dixon, Memphis
  Kris Dunn, Providence
  Tyler Ennis, Syracuse
  Yogi Ferrell, Indiana
  Tim Frazier, Penn State
  Andrew Harrison, Kentucky
  Kasey Hill, Florida
  Anthony Ireland, Loyola Marymount
  Joe Jackson, Memphis
  Chris Jones, Louisville
  DeAndre Kane, Iowa State
  Walt Lemon, Jr., Bradley
  Derrick Marks, Boise State
  TJ McConnell, Arizona
  Preston Medlin, Utah State
  Shabazz Napier, Connecticut
  Jake Odum, Indiana State
  Marcus Paige, North Carolina
  Kevin Pangos, Gonzaga
  Elfrid Payton, Lafayette
  Kendrick Perry, Youngstown State
  Trevor Releford, Alabama
  Marcus Smart, Oklahoma State
  Markel Starks, Georgetown
  Chaz Williams, Massachusetts
  Kendall Williams, New Mexico
  Nigel Williams-Goss, Washington
  
  Rec....no Hanlan, but I think he should definitely be on here, unless they know he's a SG(havent seen enough of BC to know for sure).
  
  http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2013/10/22/4867800/bob-cousy-award-watch-list-includes-45-top-point-guards
• WebFire

  Laley23;1547254 wrote:He simply was all athlete last year, which was fine. But he, imo, was never going to be able to improve on a lottery pick (same with McGary) because neither are NEARLY good enough to play as the star. Hell, GRob wasnt even the #1 WING last year, let alone #1 option. Burke did so much for those guys, and Hardaway did more than people realize as well.
  
  Its early, but I wasnt a believe last year, so it will take a lot to change my mind.

  I wasn't a believer either, that's why I thought he should come back. The thought would be that he'd improve, not showcase his flaws.
• birddog23

  19 of Michigan's 69 points last night came in the final two minutes (garbage time). Credit to Duke's defense and Michigan's horrendous offense.
  
  Also, Michigan's late surge was not enough to cover the Over (151). Beilein is pissed.
• reclegend22

  

  Sportswizuhrd:
  
  Hanlan is definitely a point guard. He played that position all last year. With that said, I've only seen Boston College play one game so far this season, so perhaps he's been playing more off the ball lately. But he was handling the duties most of the time when I watched them.
  
  And it's interesting to see Kevin Pangos on that list. With the season he's having, I'd have to revise my list again to include him. He's been great. With David Stockton playing so much point guard for the Zags this year, and Pangos playing a lot of two-guard, I sort of dismissed him in this category.
• Azubuike24

  

  Wisconsin was +4 tonight at UVA. Would've been a nice bet.
• Classyposter58

  

  MSU is not better than OSU. I think actually the Buckeyes may be better defensively
• birddog23

  Classyposter58;1548006 wrote:MSU is not better than OSU.

  Based off???
• centralbucksfan

  Classyposter58;1548006 wrote:MSU is not better than OSU. I think actually the Buckeyes may be better defensively

  Hard to tell at this point in the season. What MSU does have that OSU does not, is a legit big man in the middle in Payne. He is very good on both ends. I think OSU is more skilled at other positions. And I think OSU is/could be better defensively. But its a long season and still kind of early to determine who is better. Its close though.
• Classyposter58

  

  birddog23;1548009 wrote:Based off???

  Watching both teams throughout the year. They just do not have much of an offense IMO, very similar to OSU where the D has to create it
• reclegend22

  

  Can't believe I'm going to lose my 3-game teaser tonight because of North Carolina. Had Toledo at -2.5, Ohio State at -2 and Michigan State at -2. North Carolina is my least favorite school in the world.
  
  Why is it that Roy Williams can't beat Belmont or Birmingham, but has no problem at all against the #3 and #2 teams in the country? Riddle me that shit.
• Classyposter58

  

  B1G may win 5 tonight and take this thing if MSU can pull it off
• centralbucksfan

  Classyposter58;1548017 wrote:B1G may win 5 tonight and take this thing if MSU can pull it off

  Not lookin good for MSU. Down 13 with less than 6 min. MSU looks like crap tonite. But give UNC credit. They are playing well.
• reclegend22

  

  I don't care what anyone says, Michigan State is not anywhere close to the No. 1 team in the nation. It's a joke. I've watched them play several times now, and based on tonight and the down-to-the-wire game with Columbia in which Columbia was within one possession with under a minute to play, I've seen all I need to see.
• centralbucksfan

  reclegend22;1548022 wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Michigan State is not anywhere close to the No. 1 team in the nation. It's a joke. I've watched them play several times now, and based on tonight and the down-to-the-wire game with Columbia in which Columbia was within one possession with under a minute to play, I've seen all I need to see.

  Not surprising. MSU is typically a slow starting team early in season. So if you are going to get them, now is the time as we all know by seasons end, Izzo will have them peaking.
• Laley23

  

  reclegend22;1548022 wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Michigan State is not anywhere close to the No. 1 team in the nation. It's a joke. I've watched them play several times now, and based on tonight and the down-to-the-wire game with Columbia in which Columbia was within one possession with under a minute to play, I've seen all I need to see.

  So who is??
• wildcats20

  

  Laley23;1548024 wrote:So who is??

  Arizona.
• reclegend22

  

  centralbucksfan;1548023 wrote:Not surprising. MSU is typically a slow starting team early in season. So if you are going to get them, now is the time as we all know by seasons end, Izzo will have them peaking.

  This is true. See the loss to Grand Valley State at home in the pre-season a few years ago. Tom Izzo's teams are notorious for their slow starts. But come on. They are getting embarrassed by a less-talented team that has, let's face it, struggled mightily this season due to its youth. This is a veteran Spartan team that is supposed to be a title favorite. At this point, it is my wallet talking -- haha -- but still.
  
  Should've had more faith in Toledo or just bet on the Buckeyes. Just don't like 10-point spreads between two teams like Maryland and Ohio State. You just never know.
• reclegend22

  

  wildcats20;1548026 wrote:Arizona.

  This.