#1 Notre Dame def. USC, 22-13

• karen lotz

  

  Notre Dame opens as a 6 point favorite.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  dlazz;1324967 wrote:ND's QB leaves a lot to be desired. He's not a great passer and his decision making is mediocre at best.

  He's a freshman and he's faced a ton of great defenses. Despite that he's had a better passing year than Heisman trophy candidate Braxton Miller.
• dlazz

  Crimson streak;1324972 wrote:Actually he's a pretty good passer. His decision making is iffy but he has been much better the last couple weeks

  Anyone would look "better" had they just faced Boston College and Wake Forest.
• sherm03

  

  dlazz;1324994 wrote:Anyone would look "better" had they just faced Boston College and Wake Forest.

  I'd say 13/25 for 177 yards passing (and no INTs) as well as 11 rushes for 64 yards (and a TD) against Oklahoma speaks pretty well to the type of QB that Golson is.
  
  Don't get me wrong, he still makes some freshman mistakes. But your thinking is off on this one.
• dlazz

  sherm03;1325000 wrote: But your thinking is off on this one.

  
  No, it isn't.
• sherm03

  

  dlazz;1325001 wrote:No, it isn't.

  OK.
• mtp2013

  

  If this game was being played in my yard, I'd paint the windows black.
• se-alum

  

  karen lotz;1324935 wrote:Watch more games.

  I've watched quite a few ND games. I'm not an ND hater at all, but I'm gonna call it like I see it.
  

  Crimson streak;1324958 wrote:Lol I now know you have not watched a single ND game all year

  Two out of three TD passes were just jump ball passes against Wake. He loves to throw the ball up and let Eifert make a play. I'm not sure why you guys are so upset about it, they are taking advantage of their size and mismatches.
• dlazz

  sherm03;1325002 wrote:OK.

  You can throw any kind of stats you want at me (Including those against a typical pourous Big 12 Defense).... I've seen him play several times this year and was unimpressed each time.
• Crimson streak

  

  se-alum;1325010 wrote:I've watched quite a few ND games. I'm not an ND hater at all, but I'm gonna call it like I see it.
  
  
  
  Two out of three TD passes were just jump ball passes against Wake. He loves to throw the ball up and let Eifert make a play. I'm not sure why you guys are so upset about it, they are taking advantage of their size and mismatches.

  
  But the thing is they only throw a jump ball to Eiffert if he's on 1 on 1 coverage. And 9 times out of 10 he will make the catch. That's way different than denard running around and throw a ball in double coverage
• Mooney44Cards

  

  se-alum;1325010 wrote:I've watched quite a few ND games. I'm not an ND hater at all, but I'm gonna call it like I see it.
  
  
  
  Two out of three TD passes were just jump ball passes against Wake. He loves to throw the ball up and let Eifert make a play. I'm not sure why you guys are so upset about it, they are taking advantage of their size and mismatches.

  Tyler Eifert is obviously their only receiver.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  dlazz;1325011 wrote:You can throw any kind of stats you want at me (Including those against a typical pourous Big 12 Defense).... I've seen him play several times this year and was unimpressed each time.

  Oklahoma: 18th best pass defense in the country
  
  Obviously porous. Sorry though, don't wanna throw stats at you to confuse your argument with facts.
• sjmvsfscs08

  dlazz;1324994 wrote:Anyone would look "better" had they just faced Boston College and Wake Forest.

  And anyone would look worse against the seven good defenses Notre Dame has played this year. Point? He's a RS-Freshman, everyone gets that. He's going to have highs and lows.
• dlazz

  Mooney44Cards;1325022 wrote:Oklahoma: 18th best pass defense in the country

  and they're 41st in overall defense. What is your point?
• Mooney44Cards

  

  dlazz;1325034 wrote:and they're 41st in overall defense. What is your point?

  That Everett Golson's passing effort against Oklahoma was not against a "porous defense"? You marched out your little statistic that Oklahoma is 41st in total defense. That's actually not bad at all. Definitely not "porous".
• se-alum

  

  Mooney44Cards;1325042 wrote:That Everett Golson's passing effort against Oklahoma was not against a "porous defense"? You marched out your little statistic that Oklahoma is 41st in total defense. That's actually not bad at all. Definitely not "porous".

  It's not like it was a great effort. He completed 52% for less than 200 yards.
• dlazz

  se-alum;1325049 wrote:It's not like it was a great effort. He completed 52% for less than 200 yards.

  This. And WVU just hung over 700yds of offense on their "18th ranked pass D".
• Mooney44Cards

  

  se-alum;1325049 wrote:It's not like it was a great effort. He completed 52% for less than 200 yards.

  The argument was that he is not a good quarterback. I am refuting that. No one is anointing him a Heisman trophy candidate.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  dlazz;1325054 wrote:This. And WVU just hung over 700yds of offense on their "18th ranked pass D".

  You don't even know what you're arguing anymore.
• dlazz

  Mooney44Cards;1325059 wrote:You don't even know what you're arguing anymore.

  It's a pretty hard concept to grasp -- I know.
  
  You argued that he put up mediocre numbers against a "18th ranked pass defense" and that makes him a suitable QB.
  
  I am arguing that their defensive pass ranking is pointless, and their defense is still porous.
  
  He's not a good QB. He's a very average QB. Rees is a better passer but not as dynamic.
  
  If USC successfully shuts down the passing OR running game, ND is in trouble.
• sjmvsfscs08

  Tiernan;1324943 wrote:Beeeep - Beeeep - Beeeep - Beeeep
  
  The sound ND makes as it backs its way into the NC game.

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  Don't quit your day job.
• Mooney44Cards

  

  dlazz;1325068 wrote:It's a pretty hard concept to grasp -- I know.
  
  You argued that he put up mediocre numbers against a "18th ranked pass defense" and that makes him a suitable QB.
  
  I am arguing that their defensive pass ranking is pointless, and their defense is still porous.
  
  He's not a good QB. He's a very average QB. Rees is a better passer but not as dynamic.
  
  If USC successfully shuts down the passing OR running game, ND is in trouble.

  Now I know you're either trolling or dumb. The only thing Rees is better at is reading the defense and changing the play accordingly before the snap. It is the exact reason Kelly favored Rees for so long. But Rees is a terrible QB, a terrible passer, and Golson is already (as a freshman) better than him. It just took Golson awhile to learn how to read a defense. Golson has a better arm, throws better balls, and his only real mistakes this year are typical mistakes young QBs make like forcing balls into double coverage or not throwing the ball away. Those things don't make him a bad quarterback, just a young one.
  
  And for the record, he looked exceptional against a bad but not terrible Wake Forest defense. Which is what good quarterbacks do....look good against bad defenses.
• dlazz

  Then we'll have to agree to disagree.
• sjmvsfscs08

  dlazz;1325068 wrote:Rees is a better passer but not as dynamic.

  The dumbest thing ever said.
  
  Even the QB rating confirms that you are wrong. Rees has not improved in three years at Notre Dame, because he has the arm strength of a high school player. Golson has the arm strength of an NFL prospect. (For all of you derps out there, I am not in any way shape or form saying that Golson is an NFL prospect, so can it.)
  
  Golson can make every throw on the field, that is his strength. That's why Kelly calls so many out routes, even to the wide side of the field. Then they worked in a beautiful out-and-up with TJ Jones for a touchdown against Wake Forest. As one can see, Golson has been coming along for weeks now. I wouldn't agree at all that he is a mediocre talent, but it is very fair to say that he is very average in terms of production. I'm okay with that. He's got three more years of eligibility left. When he's "on," he's fantastic. When he's off, he's Tommy Rees/Dayne Crist.
  
  What is worth noting is that he isn't the focal point of the offense. The running game has been terrific outside of the Purdue game, as they have gelled with the new zone blocking schemes instead of gap and pull from the last two years. One site that weighs competition and situations ranked them like 6th or 9th in the country in terms of rushing offense; I'd agree with that.
• dlazz

  sjmvsfscs08;1325094 wrote:Even the QB rating confirms that you are wrong.

  Stopped reading here. QB ratings do not show everything.