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Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State

  • LJ
    karen lotz;1000195 wrote:Did he miss the kick or not?

    I think it was good. Aka a judgement call.
  • karen lotz
    LJ;1000196 wrote:I think it was good. Aka a judgement call.

    I'm shocked you agree with yourself.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    Midstate01;1000147 wrote:Didn't somebody post earlier where osu's schedule was higher then bama's. I think osu did enough tonight to change some people's minds. Should be osu vs lsu.
    Sagarin has OSU's schedule higher than Bama, but still OSU at 3 and Bama 2 prior to the game.

    No way OSU won't be higher in the computers after this beatdown. It is just up to the people that aren't SEC sycophants to vote them in.

    Or else we can get a national championship game that will be as interesting as 20 day old meatloaf. Bama-LSU I stunk enough. We don't need a II, and we need some sense to counter the crazy SEC love-fest, which isn't warranted. Alabama had their chance and blew it in a sucky game.
  • SportsAndLady
    ESPN is a joke right now. Saying its bama LSU im the.title game as if it's 100%

    Note to ESPN, even if there's a 1% chance of anything but LSU bama, you still have to do your due diligence and not announce that's what the marchup is gonna be...you're supposed to report news not make the news
  • bigkahuna
    LJ;1000191 wrote:Except he is saying it wouldnt have been a judgement call vs actually being wide
    Reps for being intelligent and understanding my point.
  • ts1227
    SportsAndLady;1000235 wrote:ESPN is a joke right now. Saying its bama LSU im the.title game as if it's 100%

    Note to ESPN, even if there's a 1% chance of anything but LSU bama, you still have to do your due diligence and not announce that's what the marchup is gonna be...you're supposed to report news not make the news
    Well, playing the OSU angle a shitload could be considered making news too if they overplayed it.

    But yes, they could at least mention it is a chance, even if it is the same chance that a snowball has in hell.
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    ts1227;1000245 wrote:Well, playing the OSU angle a ****load could be considered making news too if they overplayed it.

    But yes, they could at least mention it is a chance, even if it is the same chance that a snowball has in hell.
    Hell is where us college football fans will be in if we have to suffer another LSU-Bama crapfest.
  • bigkahuna
    cats gone wild;1000187 wrote:Thanks for not mentioning LSU's fumble recoverys vs. those teams. Thanks for not mentioning the final scores. And yeah, OSU's offense is far more superior than Oregon. Get a clue. Yeah, I really got owned alright Crimson. :rolleyes: LSU has wins over 3 top 10 teams, OSU has none. LSU whipped their opponents besides Bama, while OSU lost to a horrible team, had to have a big time comeback vs another .500 team and has to squeeze one out vs KSU. Yeah, OSU is pretty dominant. Wow, they beat Ok tonight. Big deal, they arent top 10 worthy. LSU and Bama killed Arkansas who is and will be ranked in the top ten. LSU drilled top 10 Oregon too.
    You also failed to recognize/admit that OSU simply has MORE fumble recoveries on the year than LSU. That's how SEC nut huggers are: Demand that the stats/facts be looked at, IF it will support your team but ignore if they don't.

    I'll humor you.

    In those same games, LSU had 7 fumble recoveries total, but what does that have to do with Pass Defense?


    Stats would indicate that OSU is better than Oregon on offense, but again, don't let that get in the way of your argument.

    4 Major Statistical Areas

    Total Offense OSU>Oregon
    Passing Offense OSU>Oregon
    Rushing Offense Oregon>OSU
    Points/Game OSU>Oregon


    LSU's "weakness" on defense is their pass defense. They give up 2x as many yards through the air as they do on the ground.
    OSU's strength is of course their passing game. Sounds like a good match up to me.

    You're right though, LSU looked very impressive against
    7-5 Auburn
    6-6 Mississippi State
    2-10 Ole Miss
    6-6 Florida
    5-7 Kentucky
    5-7 Tennessee
    5-6 FCS Northwestern State
    7-5 Western Kentucky

    Let's not forget Alabama's hard earned wins...
    5-7 Kent State
    5-7 North Texas
    6-6 Vanderbilt
    2-10 Ole Miss
    5-7 Tennessee
    6-6 Mississippi State
    10-2 FCS Georgia Southern- Hang Your Hat On This One Nick Saban
    7-5 Auburn

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  • sleeper
    SportsAndLady;1000235 wrote:ESPN is a joke right now. Saying its bama LSU im the.title game as if it's 100%

    Note to ESPN, even if there's a 1% chance of anything but LSU bama, you still have to do your due diligence and not announce that's what the marchup is gonna be...you're supposed to report news not make the news
    LSU (13-0) advanced to a spot in the BCS Championship Game in New Orleans, just 75 miles from its Baton Rouge campus. The Tigers' opponent will be announced Sunday night, but SEC West rival and No. 2 Alabama -- already beaten by the Tigers 9-6 in overtime a month ago -- had the inside track even though it didn't win its division.
    The Crimson Tide will have to deal with a fearless sophomore who has the country's best nickname, and is an even better player.
    From ESPN's recap.. It's a freakin' joke.
  • cats gone wild
    bigkahuna;1000133 wrote:For LSU

    Oregon- 240 passing yards 1 INT
    West Virginia- 463 passing yards 2 INTS
    Alabama-200 passing yards 2 INTS
    Arkansas-207 passing yards 1 INT
    Georgia-218 passing yards 2 INT

    1 Team on that list exclusively passes (same system as OSU) and torched LSU's defense through the air.

    The other teams I listed had moderate success.

    Oklahoma State's offense is far superior to the ones I listed. The question is, will we get a chance to see what can happen?
    bigkahuna;1000256 wrote:You also failed to recognize/admit that OSU simply has MORE fumble recoveries on the year than LSU. That's how SEC nut huggers are: Demand that the stats/facts be looked at, IF it will support your team but ignore if they don't.

    I'll humor you.

    In those same games, LSU had 7 fumble recoveries total, but what does that have to do with Pass Defense?


    Stats would indicate that OSU is better than Oregon on offense, but again, don't let that get in the way of your argument.

    4 Major Statistical Areas

    Total Offense OSU>Oregon
    Passing Offense OSU>Oregon
    Rushing Offense Oregon>OSU
    Points/Game OSU>Oregon


    LSU's "weakness" on defense is their pass defense. They give up 2x as many yards through the air as they do on the ground.
    OSU's strength is of course their passing game. Sounds like a good match up to me.

    You're right though, LSU looked very impressive against
    7-5 Auburn
    6-6 Mississippi State
    2-10 Ole Miss
    6-6 Florida
    5-7 Kentucky
    5-7 Tennessee
    5-6 FCS Northwestern State
    7-5 Western Kentucky

    Let's not forget Alabama's hard earned wins...
    5-7 Kent State
    5-7 North Texas
    6-6 Vanderbilt
    2-10 Ole Miss
    5-7 Tennessee
    6-6 Mississippi State
    10-2 FCS Georgia Southern- Hang Your Hat On This One Nick Saban
    7-5 Auburn

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    Seriously, thats all you got? You are acting like LSU played a easy schedule and had a hard time with the good teams they played. Clueless. Why dont you post stats on how well OSU did against the tougher teams they played? Post how many yards and points they gave up. Yeah, noticed you avoided that. Ive posted facts through out this thread. You can ignore them and try to come up with every negative thing you want about LSU. I could bash OSU all day long and make LSU look like the best. Oh wait, LSU is the best. If you can give me a good argument, I will get back with you in the afternoon.
    Btw, who's your team and how are they doing?
  • Skyhook79
    karen lotz;1000190 wrote:If the goalposts were ten yards wider, Bama doesn't miss all those field goals.

    Everyone is making excuses for osu. Same stuff can be done for Alabama's case.
    That is a really bad argument and you know it...
  • Crimson streak
    cats gone wild;1000187 wrote:Thanks for not mentioning LSU's fumble recoverys vs. those teams. Thanks for not mentioning the final scores. And yeah, OSU's offense is far more superior than Oregon. Get a clue. Yeah, I really got owned alright Crimson. :rolleyes: LSU has wins over 3 top 10 teams, OSU has none. LSU whipped their opponents besides Bama, while OSU lost to a horrible team, had to have a big time comeback vs another .500 team and has to squeeze one out vs KSU. Yeah, OSU is pretty dominant. Wow, they beat Ok tonight. Big deal, they arent top 10 worthy. LSU and Bama killed Arkansas who is and will be ranked in the top ten. LSU drilled top 10 Oregon too.

    You call Arkansas a top 10 team but not Oklahoma lmao Arkansas is a joke and if they played lsu's or Oklahoma st. Schedule they would be 7-5. There not good at all. It isn't about osu vs lsu to get in the title game. It's about bama vs osu. And plus Kansas st will more than likely be top 10
  • bigkahuna
    cats gone wild;999910 wrote:
    Here's some cold hard facts, BRAVO!
    cats gone wild;999942 wrote:OSU barely won in some of those games while giving up a ton of points. OSU has no defense. Ranked close to 100. The B12 is highly overrated, just ask Oklahoma. Bama killed teams, didnt lose to a 6-6 team, has a good offense and defense. Defense wins titles. Oklahoma had offenses like this and got halted by LSU and UF in title games. It would be the same all over again.
    Some loose facts here, but the bolded is subjective opinion.
    cats gone wild;999969 wrote:LSU is +23 on turnovers and has the best secondary in football. OSU would have 4 ints probably. OSU wouldnt cause LSU to turn the ball over since LSU doesnt pass much. And OSU cant stop the run. LSU would wear them out and at the end they would do what they did to Ark.
    Mostly opinion.
    cats gone wild;999970 wrote:Read my above post. And OSU gets turnovers because they play in the pass happy B12.
    Or because they're good at taking the ball away? Your opinion.
    cats gone wild;999998 wrote:Everyone's buddy Mark May said its the best secondary he's seen in 10 years.
    MARK MAY's OPINION! I shouldn't even continue because this lost all of your credibility. He probably forgot about the Michigan Defense that gave up 5> Passing TDs back in the early 2000s.
    cats gone wild;1000003 wrote:Read into your post. Something dont add up. Oh wait, OSU must have a good amount of turnovers while LSU doesnt. And as I said, OSU plays in a pass happy league and LSU has the best secondary.
    Again, your opinion. OSU does have more turnovers than LSU; that's fact. OSU plays in a high powered offensive conference. In the top 50 Rushing/ Game. 9, 9of the teams in the Big XII are ranked, so obviously it's not a "Pass Happy" league. Good try though.
    cats gone wild;1000006 wrote:One game, how about the season. And remember they dont play many rushing teams.
    Read Above.
    cats gone wild;1000028 wrote:And...what did LSU do to those teams? Shut them down. Easy to figure out.

    Didnt say they played a weak schedule.....was saying they gave up alot, i mean ALOT of offense and points all year. Dont act like one game is a whole season of good defense.
    West Virginia- Only good, legit, passing team and posted 463 yards through the air. Imagine OSU, who has been running THE SAME system as WVU for a number of years could do because you know they're more experienced with it.
    cats gone wild;1000053 wrote:Averaging 40 points a game while giving up 12 and beating 8 ranked teams. enough said, /thread
    Could be fact, we will revisit later.
    cats gone wild;1000057 wrote:What has LSU done all year vs top offenses or good QB's? Made them turn it over like crazy and score points. There hasnt been one game vs a good offense where LSU hasnt had multiple take aways. Right?
    And yet there were games against bad offenses where they didn't get multiple turnovers, but we'll forget that.
    cats gone wild;1000078 wrote:How did Houston fare today? How did OSU fare against Iowa State? What about Baylor losing 3 games? Great passing isnt all that it takes to win games. Defense is. How much does it have to be stressed each year that defense wins titles? Again, look at past OK teams. No sense in arguing anymore, Ive proved my point.
    You're right, and OSU has the ability to make good offensive teams (your words, not mine) turn the ball over.
    cats gone wild;1000187 wrote:Thanks for not mentioning LSU's fumble recoverys vs. those teams. Thanks for not mentioning the final scores. And yeah, OSU's offense is far more superior than Oregon. Get a clue. Yeah, I really got owned alright Crimson. :rolleyes: LSU has wins over 3 top 10 teams, OSU has none. LSU whipped their opponents besides Bama, while OSU lost to a horrible team, had to have a big time comeback vs another .500 team and has to squeeze one out vs KSU. Yeah, OSU is pretty dominant. Wow, they beat Ok tonight. Big deal, they arent top 10 worthy. LSU and Bama killed Arkansas who is and will be ranked in the top ten. LSU drilled top 10 Oregon too.
    Again, we'll revisit this. There may be some truth, maybe not.
    cats gone wild;1000285 wrote:Seriously, thats all you got? You are acting like LSU played a easy schedule and had a hard time with the good teams they played. Clueless. Why dont you post stats on how well OSU did against the tougher teams they played? Post how many yards and points they gave up. Yeah, noticed you avoided that. Ive posted facts through out this thread. You can ignore them and try to come up with every negative thing you want about LSU. I could bash OSU all day long and make LSU look like the best. Oh wait, LSU is the best. If you can give me a good argument, I will get back with you in the afternoon.
    Btw, who's your team and how are they doing?
    1. Proved they played an easy schedule.... 8 Teams with 7-5 records or worse Alabama 7 or worse.

    Let's looks at all of these "ranked teams" the 3 have played. We can look at both when they played and final rankings because you used both in your arguments when it suited you best.

    LSU- At time of game
    #3 Oregon
    #25 MSU
    #16 WVU
    #17 Florida
    #20 Auburn
    #2 Alabama
    #3 Arkansas
    #14 Georgia

    Wow! 8

    Current Ranking
    #2 Alabama
    #5 Oregon
    #7 Arkansas
    #18 Georgia
    #22 WVU


    Eh, only 5

    Alabama
    #23 Penn State
    #14 Arkansas
    #12 Florida
    #1 LSU
    #24 Auburn

    Only 5

    Currently Ranked
    #1 LSU
    #7 Arkansas
    #23 Penn State

    3...

    Oklahoma State
    #8 Texas AM
    #22 Texas
    #14 Kansas State
    #10 Oklahoma

    Only 4

    Currently Ranked
    #10 Kansas State
    #16 Baylor
    #19 Oklahoma

    3...

    So, when breaking everything down, LSU isn't the dick swingers they may look like.

    To recap:

    OSU has more turnovers than both
    OSU plays better offenses than both- can be misleading I admit, but it goes both ways... SEC teams have pooper offenses...
    OSU is statistically a better offense than either has seen this entire year

    LSU and Alabama have played 8 and 7 teams respectively with records ≤7-5 Including an FCS opponent for both....

    Edit: Since the newest BCS isn't available, I used the Coaches Poll for everything.

    If you want, you can look through my posts, which are facts. I have provided actual numbers and statistics to back up my claims.
  • cats gone wild
    tl,dr
  • vball10set
    cats gone wild;1001343 wrote:tl,dr
    lol--it is, but it sure as hell looks impressive :cool:
  • bigkahuna
    And cats, in case you were wondering.

    My team

    Beat it's biggest rival for the 1st time in 7 years this year
    Improved from a 7-6 season to a 10-2 season
    Is in the running for a BCS At-large bid
    Improved one of the worst defenses in the nation, to one of the better ones while causing a lot of turnovers
    All while having a 1st year coach with a radically new scheme from the previous regime.

    But, what does that have to do with this argument of OSU-Alabama-LSU?
  • bigkahuna
    cats gone wild;1001343 wrote:tl,dr
    Thought so.
  • cats gone wild
    bigkahuna;1001363 wrote:And cats, in case you were wondering.

    My team

    Beat it's biggest rival for the 1st time in 7 years this year
    Improved from a 7-6 season to a 10-2 season
    Is in the running for a BCS At-large bid
    Improved one of the worst defenses in the nation, to one of the better ones while causing a lot of turnovers
    All while having a 1st year coach with a radically new scheme from the previous regime.

    But, what does that have to do with this argument of OSU-Alabama-LSU?
    Because you try to throw LSU under the bus in multiple posts instead of admitting they are good. I was just wondering how great your team was to be able to criticize LSU. And if you've read my posts this year, Ive had nothing but good to say about Mich, right?
  • cats gone wild
    bigkahuna;1001367 wrote:Thought so.
    At least you wasted 45 minutes of your life and not me.
  • bigkahuna
    cats gone wild;1001372 wrote:Because you try to throw LSU under the bus in multiple posts instead of admitting they are good. I was just wondering how great your team was to be able to criticize LSU. And if you've read my posts this year, Ive had nothing but good to say about Mich, right?
    Translation:

    "My feelings are hurt because you're pointing out holes in my team, and I didn't do it to yours; that's not fair :cry:"

    Reality:

    LSU is good Alabama is good Oklahoma State is good(shocker). I'm point out however, that LSU/Alabama aren't the most dominate teams in the nation like some think. In reality, they've played against 8 teams with ≤7-5 records including FCS NWST. Same thing for Alabama. Yet, OSU, who has 7 teams fitting the criteria gets bashed for having a weak schedule and a crappy defense. Not exactly the case.

    Don't get so butt hurt by someone pointing out the a fallacies in the ora that is LSU/Alabama/SEC.
  • bigkahuna
    cats gone wild;1001374 wrote:At least you wasted 45 minutes of your life and not me.
    Eh about 10.
  • dwccrew
    cats gone wild;1000187 wrote:Thanks for not mentioning LSU's fumble recoverys vs. those teams. Thanks for not mentioning the final scores. And yeah, OSU's offense is far more superior than Oregon. Get a clue. Yeah, I really got owned alright Crimson. :rolleyes: LSU has wins over 3 top 10 teams, OSU has none.
    Isn't Kansas St. currently in the top ten?
    cats gone wild;1000187 wrote: LSU whipped their opponents besides Bama, while OSU lost to a horrible team, had to have a big time comeback vs another .500 team and has to squeeze one out vs KSU. Yeah, OSU is pretty dominant. Wow, they beat Ok tonight. Big deal, they arent top 10 worthy. LSU and Bama killed Arkansas who is and will be ranked in the top ten. LSU drilled top 10 Oregon too.

    Why in the hell are you arguing with people about LSU? LSU is going to be in the title game. Who cares what they think of LSU's defense, the fact is that LSU is going to be in the title game and deservingly so. Grow up and quit arguing over stupid shit.
  • Mulva
    Why is 7-5 the criteria? Because it best fits the Oklahoma State argument?
  • bigkahuna
    Mulva;1001398 wrote:Why is 7-5 the criteria? Because it best fits the Oklahoma State argument?
    No, because 8-4 seems like a decent season, 7-5 does not.

    I could go 6-6. It would knock of ≈ 2 teams for all 3 of "crappy" teams, which would bring the totals to

    6-LSU 5-Alabama and 4-5 OSU.
  • bigkahuna
    LSU
    6-6 Mississippi State
    2-10 Ole Miss
    6-6 Florida
    5-7 Kentucky
    5-7 Tennessee
    5-6 FCS Northwestern State

    Alabama
    5-7 Kent State
    5-7 North Texas
    6-6 Vanderbilt
    2-10 Ole Miss
    5-7 Tennessee
    6-6 Mississippi State
    10-2 FCS Georgia Southern


    Oklahoma State
    Arizona 4-8
    Texas AM 6-6
    Kansas 2-10
    Texas Tech 5-7
    Iowa State 6-6
    Missouri 7-5
    Texas 7-5

    Making 6-6 the cutoff actually makes OSU look better than using 7-5 as the cut off, so w/e.