Oklahoma Prepairing to Apply to Pac-12

• bigkahuna

  karen lotz;905109 wrote:Pac 12 announces it won't expand.

  
  Maybe this will calm everyone else the fuck down. I'm sick and tired of "Breaking News" and this BS flooding everything College Football.
• ts1227

  

  Surprise, surprise... The main sticking point for the Pac 12 was Texas' unwillingness to share.
  
  The only way anything will ever change is if Texas chooses to/is forced to go independent.
• jordo212000

  

  If I am the PAC 12, I still invite Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. That would be a good get for them
• SportsAndLady

  

  HAHA fucking Texas.
  
  When will they learn that they won't get accepted ANYWHERE without that LHN. Just go independent already. Delaying the inevitable
• SportsAndLady

  

  So first you get this:
  
  http://byu.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1003&CID=1268216 (BYU to the PAC12)
  
  Then you get this:
  
  CHIPBROWNOB CHIP BROWN
  

  RT TO BIG12 ASMINISTRATOR TELL ORANGEBLOODS.COM BYU APPEARS TO BE THE FRONTRUNNER TO BECOME THE 10TH SCHOOL IN THE BIG12.

  Now you get this:
  

  Espn:
  
  Big 12 sources told ESPN.com that the league had a list of five schools to replace the Aggies and was in the midst of that call list before Oklahoma president David Boren made the decision to announce he would explore potential other conferences. The Big 12 ADs called Arkansas and BYU and were going to call Louisville, Pitt and West Virginia to check on possible membership.

  
  
  I think it's safe to say that no one knows what the fuck is going on haha
• enigmaax

  So, I realize Texas = cash. But really, Texas does not want to be alone. I would love to see Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri if they aren't headed elsewhere just say "fuck this" and go forward with their previous backup plan to merge with what is left of the Big East. Sure, there'd be a little less money, but at least they'd know what they could count on and wouldn't have to go through this nonsense every single year. And they wouldn't continue to be Texas' little bitches. Also, if the Big East retained its name, they'd still be an auto-qualifier and competitively these teams would at least have a shot at BCS bowls going forward.
• bigkahuna

  SportsAndLady;905247 wrote:So first you get this:
  
  http://byu.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1003&CID=1268216 (BYU to the PAC12)
  
  Then you get this:
  
  CHIPBROWNOB CHIP BROWN
  
  
  
  Now you get this:
  
  
  
  
  
  I think it's safe to say that no one knows what the **** is going on haha

  I agree with this haha
• bigkahuna

  jordo212000;905234 wrote:If I am the PAC 12, I still invite Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. That would be a good get for them

  But, it seems like the PAC-12 as a whole took EVERYTHING into consideration. Money might have been more, but they listened to the schools... and realized that it wasn't what the bulk of people really wanted.
• krambman

  

  Now it's being reported the TCU is considering backing out of their move to the Big East next year to stay in the Mountain West. You know you conference is doomed when a school considers staying in the Mountain West instead of joining you.
• Emmett Brown

  

  enigmaax;905256 wrote:So, I realize Texas = cash. But really, Texas does not want to be alone. I would love to see Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri if they aren't headed elsewhere just say "fuck this" and go forward with their previous backup plan to merge with what is left of the Big East. Sure, there'd be a little less money, but at least they'd know what they could count on and wouldn't have to go through this nonsense every single year. And they wouldn't continue to be Texas' little bitches. Also, if the Big East retained its name, they'd still be an auto-qualifier and competitively these teams would at least have a shot at BCS bowls going forward.

  Sounds great but Iowa State has already spent some of their money they will get from the Big 12. Also ESPN bottom line has said Missouri is going to the SEC but they are not talking about it anywhere else.
• Emmett Brown

  

  krambman;905354 wrote:Now it's being reported the TCU is considering backing out of their move to the Big East next year to stay in the Mountain West. You know you conference is doomed when a school considers staying in the Mountain West instead of joining you.

  If that is the case I would assume West Virginia and Louisville are heading to the Big XII. Who would want to be in a conference with Army Navy and Air force. Great schools but not BCS worthy.
• enigmaax

  Emmett Brown;905355 wrote:Sounds great but Iowa State has already spent some of their money they will get from the Big 12. Also ESPN bottom line has said Missouri is going to the SEC but they are not talking about it anywhere else.

  I know. That is why those schools are idiots. After the scare last year, taking a reaming from Texas, etc. you'd have thought those schools would be a little cautious. They're all mad at Texas A&M, but TAM is only doing what those schools are too pathetic to do.
• krambman

  

  enigmaax;905363 wrote:I know. That is why those schools are idiots. After the scare last year, taking a reaming from Texas, etc. you'd have thought those schools would be a little cautious. They're all mad at Texas A&M, but TAM is only doing what those schools are too pathetic to do.

  They spent it because they still have an athletic department to fund, and they aren't too stupid to leave, they are too unappealing to other conferences to get anyone to accept them.
• enigmaax

  krambman;905406 wrote:They spent it because they still have an athletic department to fund, and they aren't too stupid to leave, they are too unappealing to other conferences to get anyone to accept them.

  Two different issues here. One is the spending. I'm not talking about the typical athletic department spending, I'm talking about Iowa State, as an example:
  

  Iowa State went ahead with projects after the Fox contract was completed and took out $40 million in bonds based on the deal. Iowa State has invested $5 million in a new video board, $20 million in a football building and an estimated $15 million in a sports complex for track, soccer and softball. The video board project began in July for this football season and the other two projects are under construction.
  "The taxpayers of Iowa can't pay if those bonds fall through," a source said Wednesday.

  The TV contract was estimated to bring in about $9 mil a year (though it is probably more for Texas, less for Iowa State) and ISU's athletic dept had a profit last year of $215,000. They made $19 mil total for football. That is sinking some serious cash into luxuries (they now have a scoreboard that is like the 20th biggest in the country) coming off a very strong indication of instability.
  
  The second part - I didn't say they were too stupid. I said they were too pathetic. As in, their entire existence is contigent on the handouts they hope to get from Texas and Oklahoma. Texas A&M is making its own way. Iowa State is a welfare case. They are mad at Texas A&M because TAM can do what ISU can't. It isn't that TAM would be taking away ISU's money if they left; it is that ISU wouldn't be able to scrounge as much money from the lot of other schools that currently support them. Texas deserves a bigger chunk because they bring in way more cash. Those other schools pretty much have to bend over, not because Texas or TAM are assholes, but because those schools themselves, suck so much ass that they're lucky to be around.
• bigkahuna

  But isn't that what got the Big XII in trouble in the first place?
  
  Texas was able to take a bigger chunk of the pie, and it pissed off the rest of the schools. This is why Nebraska and Colorado left. Now, if they had equal revenue sharing like the B1G does, do they both split and possibly cause this whole thing? We don't know.
  
  Unbalanced Revenue would work for the big boys in the B1G (Michigan/OSU/PSU), but everyone else would suffer and start looking for a sweeter deal. The B1G is so appealing because of the revenue sharing.
• enigmaax

  bigkahuna;905606 wrote:But isn't that what got the Big XII in trouble in the first place?
  
  Texas was able to take a bigger chunk of the pie, and it pissed off the rest of the schools. This is why Nebraska and Colorado left. Now, if they had equal revenue sharing like the B1G does, do they both split and possibly cause this whole thing? We don't know.
  
  Unbalanced Revenue would work for the big boys in the B1G (Michigan/OSU/PSU), but everyone else would suffer and start looking for a sweeter deal. The B1G is so appealing because of the revenue sharing.

  So, my original statement, which isn't a point but just a wish was that now that Texas has toyed with these chumps for the better part of two years, I would like to see them say, "we'll try something else." Yes, Nebraska, Colorado, and TAM finally had enough of Texas' bullshit so they went somewhere else. Of course, they could afford to do it because they bring some kind of value to their new destinations.
  
  For Baylor and Iowa State, they'd had to basically let Texas have whatever they want simply because if Texas leaves them, they'll struggle to finance themselves. Yet, even with all the concessions, Texas strings them along while looking to go elsewhere. What I'd like to see is Baylor, Iowa St, etc. forget about depending on Texas and have to wonder whether the next deal someone makes puts them in this position again (what if the ACC comes along with an offer to Texas that lets them keep the LHN). I'd like to see them decide they can't always be wondering how long their conference is going to last or who might be next to leave and just go ahead and join up with the leftover Big East conference. Then Texas, Oklahoma, and their couple of hanger ons can either recruit someone else to the Big XII or be forced to take another conference's deal (or go independent).
  
  It won't happen because, as someone mentioned, Iowa State already spent the money they were expected to get (for the next 6-7 years) by being associated with Texas. I say that was a terrible decision given the instability of their situation right now. Had they not done that, they might be a little better set to make a move where perhaps they won't make more money in the long run, but they also won't risk being (or have to wonder if they'll be) hung out to dry every year. Instead of creating their own opportunities and equity, they've further painted themselves into a corner of dependence. Eventually, Texas is going to stop flirting and end up completely fucking them over.
• gorocks99

  

  All indications are that Missouri will stick with the Big XII for now: http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32182014
  
  Wonder if the SEC goes to WVU again?
• karen lotz

  

  gorocks99;907096 wrote:All indications are that Missouri will stick with the Big XII for now: http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32182014
  
  Wonder if the SEC goes to WVU again?

  
  WVU is having either a meeting or press conference tonight at around 6:45, don't remember which.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but Beebe is out
  
  http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/21/3158803/dan-beebe-working-on-exit-agreement.html
• SportsAndLady

  

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  Boren said that OK has had positive discussions about having their own network. Said they could be the second school to have a network.
  
  
• bigkahuna

  Pretty sure I saw on ESPN that TCU,BYU,AFA, and possible Boise were being considered as replacements to get them back to 12