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jordo212000
Marshall's program never got to the heights that Boise did. (I know you didn't say it did) But BCS money is the name of the game. That's where the money is. Boise could help them on the big stage because right now it is USC (banned), Oregon, and Stanford (party is over when Luck leaves).Little Danny;896408 wrote:It would be like the B10 inviting Marshall (if they suddenly became good like they were a decade ago).
Like I said, it is highly unlikely they ever get an invite. I was mainly making the point that Kansas wasn't ever getting an invite from the Pac 12, SEC, or Big 10 -
SportsAndLady
In 2010, Kansas' football net revenue was 4.34 million.jordo212000;896404 wrote:Highly unlikely yes... but it shows how much of a shot I think Kansas has. They would water down the PAC-12, Big 10, and SEC
Football is driving this. You somehow seem to be missing this point. BCS appearances = money. Top 5 programs = money. Sexy OOC matchups = money. Boise could bring all of this.
Kansas does brings none of this. The difference in revenues in football and basketball should make you "LOL."
In 2010, Boise State's football net revenue was 3.15 million.
In 2007, Kansas ranked 11th nationally in football revenue.
In 2007, Boise State ranked 89th nationally in football revenue.
You really want to try and say that a conference would take Boise State over Kansas???? -
jordo212000
Why because you cherry picked 2 years that most benefitted your argument?SportsAndLady;896418 wrote:In 2010, Kansas' football net revenue was 4.34 million.
In 2010, Boise State's football net revenue was 3.15 million.
In 2007, Kansas ranked 11th nationally in football revenue.
In 2007, Boise State ranked 89th nationally in football revenue.
You really want to try and say that a conference would take Boise State over Kansas???? -
SportsAndLady
We'll have to agree to disagree I guess. I really don't see how you're visualizing the conferences going to 16 teams and Kansas not making the cut. Conferences would be ecstatic to have Kansas' tradition, basketball program, academics, and culture as their 15th or 16th team in the conference. Just because Boise State had a successful decade doesn't mean they're valuable.jordo212000;896417 wrote: Like I said, it is highly unlikely they ever get an invite. I was mainly making the point that Kansas wasn't ever getting an invite from the Pac 12, SEC, or Big 10 -
SportsAndLady
Those were the 2 years that I could find.jordo212000;896420 wrote:Why because you cherry picked 2 years that most benefitted your argument?
If 08, 09, 11 go against my argument, then so be it. I honestly don't know. I just found 07 and 10's numbers when I did a google search. And even so, Boise was in a BCS game in 07 and 10 lol -
jordo212000
SportsAndLady;896418 wrote:In 2010, Kansas' football net revenue was 4.34 million.
In 2010, Boise State's football net revenue was 3.15 million.
In 2007, Kansas ranked 11th nationally in football revenue.
In 2007, Boise State ranked 89th nationally in football revenue.
You really want to try and say that a conference would take Boise State over Kansas????
Want to take a bet on who brings in more revenue this season? Kansas won't get much of a payout in the Microtel presented by Subway.com Bowl this year -
SportsAndLady
You said Boise State brings in more money...I posted 2 years in the last 5 that this was not true. What more do you want me to say?jordo212000;896427 wrote:Want to take a bet on who brings in more revenue this season? Kansas won't get much of a payout in the Microtel presented by Subway.com Bowl this year -
jordo212000
SportsAndLady;896424 wrote:Those were the 2 years that I could find.
If 08, 09, 11 go against my argument, then so be it. I honestly don't know. I just found 07 and 10's numbers when I did a google search. And even so, Boise was in a BCS game in 07 and 10 lol
I'm not so sure why you are impressed that Kansas made $1 mill more anyways. Boise made a nice amount without the help of a shiny media / television deal and are also a nonAQ school so they get a smaller cut. Your argument is kind of flawed -
jordo212000
SportsAndLady;896429 wrote:You said Boise State brings in more money...I posted 2 years in the last 5 that this was not true. What more do you want me to say?
Read previous post. If Boise is in the Big 12 or PAC 12 they make more than Kansas. Are you really this dense? Compare the media deals. Kansas gets a lot of money from the redistribution of wealth. Kansas is also AQ for the BCS. They probably had nothing to do with 3/4 of that revenue haha. They better be praying and thanking Texas and Oklahoma for all of the money they get them -
SportsAndLady
jordo212000;896440 wrote:I'm not so sure why you are impressed that Kansas made $1 mill more anyways. Boise made a nice amount without the help of a shiny media / television deal and are also a nonAQ school so they get a smaller cut. Your argument is kind of flawed
Agreeing to disagree. I really don't know what else to say to you lol if you truly think Boise State is a more sought after program, idk what to tell you.jordo212000;896446 wrote:Read previous post. If Boise is in the Big 12 or PAC 12 they make more than Kansas. Are you really this dense? Compare the media deals. Kansas gets a lot of money from the redistribution of wealth. Kansas is also AQ for the BCS. They probably had nothing to do with 3/4 of that revenue haha. They better be praying and thanking Texas and Oklahoma for all of the money they get them -
SportsAndLady
Here's a great article on the Big 12...very interesting numbers
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2011/03/20/whos-making-money-in-big-12-football/
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Wondering how Kansas ends up second in athletic department profit after nearly depleting their football revenue with football expenses? Basketball, of course. During this same time period, Kansas ranked #11 amongst all BCS schools in basketball revenue. Texas followed closely behind in twelfth position.Athletic Dept Profit University of Texas $29,603,034.00 University of Kansas $11,687,378.00 Kansas State $11,099,094.00 University of Oklahoma $10,121,904.00 Oklahoma State $5,402,887.00 University of Nebraska $5,029,604.00 Texas Tech $4,898,394.00 Texas A&M $2,675,650.00 University of Missouri $2,505,575.00 University of Colorado $930,604.00 Iowa State $215,540.00 Baylor University $0.00 -
jordo212000
SportsAndLady;896456 wrote:Agreeing to disagree. I really don't know what else to say to you lol if you truly think Boise State is a more sought after program, idk what to tell you.
Same story here. Nothing out there suggests that anybody except maybe the lowly Big East wants anything to do with Kansas -
SportsAndLady
What about Larry Scott's planned trip to KC last year to meet with and Kansas and Kansas State about the PAC 12?jordo212000;896460 wrote:Same story here. Nothing out there suggests that anybody except maybe the lowly Big East wants anything to do with Kansas -
enigmaax
I do also remember the dire situation Kansas seemed to be in last year when this was a major topic. I also think that while realignment has remained a topic, many of the dynamics have changed. A lot of people assumed that if the ACC expanded to 16 that they'd raid the Big East. Heck, from several reports over the last few days, the ACC may ultimately be where Texas ends up. If that happens, they may just gobble up Tech and the Kansas duo as well. And if they're already willing to look at expansion that far inland, even not getting Texas doesn't mean they won't make moves outside of what we previously thought was realistic.jordo212000;896394 wrote:ehh maybe. But I doubt it. As krambman says, nobody has expressed any sort of interest in Kansas. Football is driving all of this and Kansas is an afterthought. Boise State would be far more likely to get an invite than Kansas IMO. I remember during the last realignment people were laughing and thinking that Kansas might have to swallow its pride and enter the Mountain West
That Texas A&M would move alone was kind of an afterthought during the last round. I agree with most of what you say when it comes to Kansas as it is just simple fact that basketball isn't ever going to be the greatest factor. But I think they sit in a much better position today than they did last year, even if that means the Big East.
I don't agree about Boise at all. I believe Boise's only real hope is that the Big XII also-rans (which may still include Kansas) somehow work out a deal to keep their BCS spot by picking up some low rent teams (the Big East managed to survive by doing this when Miami and VT bolted). There may still be Super Conferences, but not exclusively like most people are thinking. That is really the only hope Boise has for a variety of reasons, including athletically (no, being a little guy in a few BCS games doesn't make you instantly an attractive conference member). -
jordo212000
Yeah, again not saying Boise would be given or even that it is likely. Just saying I felt they had a better of entry than Kansas
I also have mainly been saying Kansas won't get in the Big 10, SEC, or PAC-12. I didnt say anything about the ACC or Big East -
SportsAndLady
But why though? I'm genuinely curious of your argument here. And please don't just post all the negatives of Kansas..I know them, we all know them; I want to know why a recently relevant team from Idaho would be a good option for a conference.jordo212000;896609 wrote:Just saying I felt they had a better of entry than Kansas
Uhhh...jordo212000;896609 wrote:I also have mainly been saying Kansas won't get in the Big 10, SEC, or PAC-12. I didnt say anything about the ACC or Big East
jordo212000;895038 wrote:Kansas is not attractive to anybody. -
SportsAndLady
Here are the top revenue generating programs from 2005-06 through 2009-2010 (since jordo called out me 'cherrypicking 2 years that fit my argument):
Institution Name Grand Total Revenue Grand Total Expenses Profit
Texas $605,108,282 $500,783,830 $104,324,452
Ohio State $575,074,569 $516,982,310 $58,092,259
Florida $521,026,679 $475,216,193 $45,810,486
Michigan $475,418,749 $376,093,582 $99,325,167
Alabama $472,696,121 $374,990,279 $97,705,842
Tennessee $447,299,149 $435,339,648 $11,959,501
Penn State $441,004,474 $378,106,020 $62,898,454
Wisconsin $438,714,947 $413,421,089 $25,293,858
Louisiana State $435,601,796 $407,465,214 $28,136,582
Auburn $418,904,026 $376,841,279 $42,062,747
Notre Dame $417,065,007 $313,623,490 $103,441,517
Georgia $408,680,608 $343,635,239 $65,045,369
Iowa $396,206,849 $344,731,540 $51,475,309
Oklahoma $391,200,150 $380,479,633 $10,720,517
USC $374,128,429 $374,128,429 $0
Michigan State $373,348,695 $321,539,458 $51,809,237
Virginia $371,891,285 $357,475,801 $14,415,484
Texas A&M $359,862,009 $342,419,076 $17,442,933
Stanford $359,261,704 $356,038,374 $3,223,330
Nebraska $359,089,969 $332,714,925 $26,375,044
Kansas $356,685,528 $297,351,141 $59,334,387
Kentucky $340,638,906 $327,047,572 $13,591,334
South Carolina $336,434,820 $328,674,789 $7,760,031
Minnesota $329,448,928 $322,970,257 $6,478,671
Oklahoma State $326,238,178 $273,959,017 $52,279,161
California $319,553,483 $319,502,736 $50,747
Arkansas $317,472,840 $304,516,585 $12,956,255
North Carolina $311,318,829 $310,322,260 $996,569
UCLA $307,518,115 $307,501,197 $16,918
Duke $305,442,709 $304,180,138 $1,262,571
Boston College $300,446,948 $295,093,893 $5,353,055
Washington $297,429,491 $279,371,129 $18,058,362
Purdue $289,997,727 $277,327,048 $12,670,679
Oregon $287,925,483 $276,292,935 $11,632,548
Virginia Tech $281,014,390 $252,140,462 $28,873,928
Clemson $278,773,748 $265,776,203 $12,997,545
Florida State $278,057,903 $271,387,906 $6,669,997
Louisville $276,626,938 $263,116,665 $13,510,273
Connecticut $274,438,065 $274,159,199 $278,866
Illinois $272,272,142 $244,345,811 $27,926,331
West Virginia $268,839,229 $240,910,022 $27,929,207
Indiana $268,489,651 $247,066,702 $21,422,949
Arizona State $265,675,468 $263,293,925 $2,381,543
Missouri $256,386,080 $251,401,330 $4,984,750
Miami (FL) $255,735,910 $242,972,602 $12,763,308
Rutgers $245,105,184 $244,719,877 $385,307
Texas Tech $244,451,812 $228,964,729 $15,487,083
Colorado $241,239,561 $230,601,450 $10,638,111
Arizona $240,762,291 $230,260,937 $10,501,354
Kansas State $239,718,709 $202,264,641 $37,454,068
Syracuse $237,755,312 $231,115,007 $6,640,305
Georgia Tech $236,123,569 $234,657,630 $1,465,939
Oregon State $232,407,604 $229,464,206 $2,943,398
Baylor $223,543,720 $223,543,720 $0
North Carolina State $223,022,563 $218,020,914 $5,001,649
Vanderbilt $220,415,601 $214,755,898 $5,659,703
TCU $218,609,628 $218,609,628 $0
Northwestern $218,374,098 $218,374,098 $0
Pittsburgh $205,426,419 $205,426,419 $0
Iowa State $200,744,619 $200,483,939 $260,680
Wake Forest $198,222,588 $195,112,422 $3,110,166
Mississippi $182,994,902 $182,994,902 $0
Washington State $178,899,390 $167,359,496 $11,539,894
BYU $176,271,821 $165,932,047 $10,339,774
UNLV $176,004,389 $174,248,158 $1,756,231
Cincinnati $169,056,019 $169,056,019 $0
Central Florida $168,895,820 $149,374,346 $19,521,474
South Florida $165,778,650 $158,959,092 $6,819,558
SMU $164,819,233 $164,819,233 $0
San Diego State $160,482,385 $158,512,757 $1,969,628
Memphis $160,343,086 $160,343,086 $0
Mississippi State $156,784,564 $154,797,211 $1,987,353
Houston $146,184,825 $146,184,825 $0
Hawaii $144,883,108 $140,475,050 $4,408,058
New Mexico $142,260,446 $142,260,446 $0
Utah $141,632,138 $140,555,716 $1,076,422
Rice $139,262,236 $139,262,225 $11
East Carolina $137,431,677 $131,846,315 $5,585,362
Temple $134,796,733 $134,796,733 $0
Fresno State $131,963,307 $126,742,047 $5,221,260
Tulsa $121,666,475 $121,666,475 $0
Wyoming $117,552,012 $117,552,012 $0
Miami (OH) $116,694,393 $116,302,849 $391,544
UTEP $110,917,044 $110,478,057 $438,987
UAB $109,558,625 $107,644,360 $1,914,265
Boise State $109,026,773 $108,213,191 $813,582
Central Michigan $106,675,697 $106,172,625 $503,072
New Mexico State $106,615,411 $106,021,740 $593,671
Colorado State $104,878,858 $101,913,551 $2,965,307
Nevada $103,880,156 $103,258,379 $621,777
Buffalo $103,468,402 $103,393,256 $75,146
Marshall $103,342,431 $103,028,965 $313,466
Ohio $101,622,884 $100,292,169 $1,330,715
Tulane $98,896,105 $98,896,105 $0
Western Michigan $98,867,968 $97,908,010 $959,958
Western Kentucky $97,493,804 $97,493,804 $0
Florida International $97,437,507 $94,837,277 $2,600,230
Eastern Michigan $97,352,052 $96,207,540 $1,144,512
Akron $92,964,535 $92,076,375 $888,160
Bowling Green $92,589,069 $83,727,362 $8,861,707
Toledo $91,120,410 $91,120,410 $0
San Jose State $90,973,290 $88,601,270 $2,372,020
Kent State $89,627,091 $88,258,535 $1,368,556
Northern Illinois $89,406,214 $86,390,693 $3,015,521
Southern Miss $88,112,557 $86,055,428 $2,057,129
Middle Tennessee State $86,174,212 $86,174,212 $0
Ball State $85,663,374 $85,655,065 $8,309
North Texas $80,917,213 $78,780,725 $2,136,488
Utah State $73,544,824 $72,363,321 $1,181,503
Florida Atlantic $72,676,329 $70,083,968 $2,592,361
Troy $67,845,069 $67,845,069 $0
Idaho $66,638,186 $65,901,165 $737,021
Louisiana Tech $63,420,129 $63,285,520 $134,609
Louisiana-Lafayette $53,756,169 $53,211,381 $544,788
Arkansas State $52,805,477 $52,805,477 $0
Louisiana-Monroe $40,303,634 $38,431,807 $1,871,827 -
SportsAndLady
In those 5 years, Kansas has the 5th highest profit. They had a TON of expenditures because of their huge renovation project in 08 (I believe). Also, Kansas has to spend so much of their profits to help with their weak football program. And still, 5th highest.
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karen lotz
Kansas would be an ok addition to the Big East. That's about it. -
jordo212000
By anybody, I was referring to the conferences who are relevant.SportsAndLady;896680 wrote:But why though? I'm genuinely curious of your argument here. And please don't just post all the negatives of Kansas..I know them, we all know them; I want to know why a recently relevant team from Idaho would be a good option for a conference.
Uhhh... -
jordo212000
smh. I have already addressed your point about the differences in revenues. Kansas is absolutely banking more $$$ right now because of their status as an AQ school and the fact that the Big 12 has a major TV deal. I seriously have no idea why you keep bringing up how much Kansas makes compared to Boise.SportsAndLady;896697 wrote:In those 5 years, Kansas has the 5th highest profit. They had a TON of expenditures because of their huge renovation project in 08 (I believe). Also, Kansas has to spend so much of their profits to help with their weak football program. And still, 5th highest.
If Boise had the tv deal and AQ status, they would most definitely be making more than Kansas. Boise has been far more successful than Kansas has. They make BCS games and they generally perform pretty well on the big stage. -
SportsAndLady
The Big East is still a relevant conference...yes its not the SEC, but it's still an AQ conference.jordo212000;897211 wrote:By anybody, I was referring to the conferences who are relevant.
Oh and I'm not surprised you didn't actually answer my question about Boise. SMH -
SportsAndLady
Those numbers I posted didn't include money they make from TV deals, etc. It was strictly their athletic departments operating budget.jordo212000;897214 wrote:smh. I have already addressed your point about the differences in revenues. Kansas is absolutely banking more $$$ right now because of their status as an AQ school and the fact that the Big 12 has a major TV deal. I seriously have no idea why you keep bringing up how much Kansas makes compared to Boise.
If Boise had the tv deal and AQ status, they would most definitely be making more than Kansas. Boise has been far more successful than Kansas has. They make BCS games and they generally perform pretty well on the big stage.
So waht's your next excuse? -
Iliketurtles
Surprised Virginia's revenue is that high. S&L you should try to sort those by profit. Just a heads up in Profit:SportsAndLady;897282 wrote:Those numbers I posted didn't include money they make from TV deals, etc. It was strictly their athletic departments operating budget.
So waht's your next excuse?
Kansas- $59,334,387
Boise- $813,582
I love BSU but there is no way they would be taken before Kansas. -
Little Danny
The problem with defining relevance and arguing that some should be left off a list because they benefit from tv deals and AQ status is where do you draw the line? If Kansas is not relevant, then certainly teams like Washington State, Oregon State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Minnesota and Purdue fit that bill as well. When you drag in the ACC you can throw in Duke (speaking football relevance only), Wake Forest and Virginia as well.
Would Boise State generate more revenue if they were in a BCS conference? Sure, but so would teams like East Carolina, Central Florida, UNLV, SMU, San Diego State, Memphis, Hawaii, New Mexico, Rice, BYU, Temple, Fresno State, Tulsa, Wyoming, Miami of Ohio, UTEP and UAB. All of these teams generated more money than Boise State based on the list that S&L previous provided.