Oklahoma Prepairing to Apply to Pac-12

• j_crazy

  

  Tobias Fünke;893971 wrote:Not good. Not good at all. I think the maximum number of teams in a conference should be 12. It's the perfect number. A 16-team conference is retarded.

  
  Not being in a conference is retarded.
• dlazz

  krambman;893996 wrote:Please explain how 12 teams in the perfect number?

  Twelve teams are required to have a conference championship game.
• enigmaax

  krambman;893755 wrote:Super conferences are likely to bring down the NCAA, at least in terms of D-1A football. What could happen is that the four super conferences that end up getting formed (Pac-16, SEC, Big ACC, and B16) break away from the NCAA and create their own bowl based playoff. All four conference champions square off in a two round playoff. Conference championship games would essentially serve as the first round of the playoffs. Those who want an 8 team playoff would basically get just that.

  I know there's a lot of talk about this, but I'm not necessarily sold that these are set in stone. I still think there's a resistance to playoffs because the Presidents think there's too much money in bowls. I believe its further off than a lot of people say, but obviously that is mostly guessing. But I don't necessarily believe we'll end up with four Super Conferences in the near future either. I think the Big East will do what it has to in order to survive as its own entity and don't think the ACC is just going to fold. So, I don't see a reason why these conferences would try and get out of something they already dominate well enough (the NCAA and BCS).
  

  krambman;893996 wrote:Please explain how 12 teams in the perfect number? 10 is the perfect size. Anything bigger than that and you can't have everyone play everyone each year.

  I like "10" as well, provided everyone plays each other. But even the old (and numerically accurate) Big Ten and SEC had 10 for years and didn't play a full round robin slate. The NCAA says you must have 12 to hold a conference championship game and obviously there's a lure to that, so if you aren't going to play everyone anyway, might as well get bigger and go with the title game.
• enigmaax

  http://eye-on-college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31952360
  
  Supposedly Texas tried to talk Oklahoma into sticking it out with them. Sounds as though Oklahoma wants nothing to do with it. Nothing earth-shattering in the article because it is still a lot of speculation, but it is somewhat interesting that there's no mention of the Big Ten for Texas - sounds like Texas doesn't like the Pac and has at least approached the possibility of the ACC.
• JU-ICE

  The best scenerio for the Big Ten would be adding Texas and Notre Dame. But more realistically they will end up with Kansas, Missouri and two east coast schools from possibly, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers and Maryland.
• sportchampps

  Kansas will not be in the big. Kansas cant get fans to their football games and this is all about football and tv markets.
• jordo212000

  

  sportchampps;894475 wrote:Kansas will not be in the big. Kansas cant get fans to their football games and this is all about football and tv markets.

  Kansas is not attractive to anybody. Realignment is all about football. Kansas brings absolutely nothing to the table in the regard.
• enigmaax

  jordo212000;895038 wrote:Kansas is not attractive to anybody. Realignment is all about football. Kansas brings absolutely nothing to the table in the regard.

  But the Big East will take them when it comes down to it. The Big East pretty much has to jump at the chance to clean up the scraps of the Big XII because they've got to be prepared for an exodus if the super conference setup gets rolling.
• SportsAndLady

  

  jordo212000;895038 wrote:Kansas is not attractive to anybody.

  1) You don't have to post this every time Kansas is brought up...we all get it, Kansas isn't Texas.
  
  2) You are not right..at all.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  I guess we're going to be looking at a two division PAC 14 or 16 with one division having mostly teams more inland than the coast. Colorado, AZ, ASU, OK, OK St., Utah and one or two others would make up their inland division so travel costs on the minor sports would be less. Then USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St., Washington and WSU. I doubt they split up any of the rivalries in the latter group to make it 7 and 7. They'll likely try to find two more for the inland group (Utah St. and Colorado St.?)
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;895076 wrote:1) You don't have to post this every time Kansas is brought up...we all get it, Kansas isn't Texas.
  
  2) You are not right..at all.

  
  Come get me when the SEC and Big 10 extend them an invite
• SportsAndLady

  

  jordo212000;896307 wrote:Come get me when the SEC and Big 10 extend them an invite

  Again (how many times do I have to say this?), I'm not saying Kansas is Texas. I simply laugh at your "no one is interested in Kansas" especially with all the super conference talk.
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;896337 wrote:Again (how many times do I have to say this?), I'm not saying Kansas is Texas. I simply laugh at your "no one is interested in Kansas" especially with all the super conference talk.

  Kansas is a table scrap. Nothing more, nothing less. When the dust settles, they will end up in the Big East
• enigmaax

  Writerbuckeye;896254 wrote:I guess we're going to be looking at a two division PAC 14 or 16 with one division having mostly teams more inland than the coast. Colorado, AZ, ASU, OK, OK St., Utah and one or two others would make up their inland division so travel costs on the minor sports would be less. Then USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St., Washington and WSU. I doubt they split up any of the rivalries in the latter group to make it 7 and 7. They'll likely try to find two more for the inland group (Utah St. and Colorado St.?)

  jordo212000;896369 wrote:Kansas is a table scrap. Nothing more, nothing less. When the dust settles, they will end up in the Big East

  Or maybe Kansas/K-State to the Pac 16? Writer has a good point about 16 being better for a divisional split than 14 for the PAC. If they aren't going to get Texas, the Kansases seem like better options than anything else out there.
• SportsAndLady

  

  enigmaax;896378 wrote:If they aren't going to get Texas, the Kansases seem like better options than anything else out there.

  This is EXACTLY my point. Jordo will disagree.
• krambman

  

  SportsAndLady;896337 wrote:Again (how many times do I have to say this?), I'm not saying Kansas is Texas. I simply laugh at your "no one is interested in Kansas" especially with all the super conference talk.

  I'm being sincere with this question, but who is interested in Kansas? One of the big questions a year ago when it looked like Texas, TAMU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado were all headed to the Pac-#, and Nebraska and Missouri were going to end up in the B1G, everyone was talking about the fact that Kansas was going to get left out. too far away for the SEC or ACC to take them, the B1G was going to look east and to Notre Dame to get to 16 teams. When it looked like all of this was going to happen no conference seemed interested in Kansas and no analyst seemed to know if they would end up in one of the four major super conferences. There were 66 teams in the six BCS conferences plus Notre Dame at the time, and four super conferences only have spots for 64. Somebody was going to get left out. Now there are 68 BCS schools, so two more teams are going to get left out.
  
  Seriously, who legitimately is (or will be) interested in adding Kansas. You keep saying everyone is wrong for saying no one would want them, but you've failed to explain why they are wrong.
• jordo212000

  

  enigmaax;896378 wrote:Or maybe Kansas/K-State to the Pac 16? Writer has a good point about 16 being better for a divisional split than 14 for the PAC. If they aren't going to get Texas, the Kansases seem like better options than anything else out there.

  ehh maybe. But I doubt it. As krambman says, nobody has expressed any sort of interest in Kansas. Football is driving all of this and Kansas is an afterthought. Boise State would be far more likely to get an invite than Kansas IMO. I remember during the last realignment people were laughing and thinking that Kansas might have to swallow its pride and enter the Mountain West
• SportsAndLady

  

  krambman;896383 wrote:I'm being sincere with this question, but who is interested in Kansas? One of the big questions a year ago when it looked like Texas, TAMU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado were all headed to the Pac-#, and Nebraska and Missouri were going to end up in the B1G, everyone was talking about the fact that Kansas was going to get left out. too far away for the SEC or ACC to take them, the B1G was going to look east and to Notre Dame to get to 16 teams. When it looked like all of this was going to happen no conference seemed interested in Kansas and no analyst seemed to know if they would end up in one of the four major super conferences. There were 66 teams in the six BCS conferences plus Notre Dame at the time, and four super conferences only have spots for 64. Somebody was going to get left out. Now there are 68 BCS schools, so two more teams are going to get left out.
  
  Seriously, who legitimately is (or will be) interested in adding Kansas. You keep saying everyone is wrong for saying no one would want them, but you've failed to explain why they are wrong.

  When I mentioned Kansas being obtained by a conference, it was during super conference talk. My opinion is that when the B1G add 2 more teams, they'll still need another 2 teams. If ND and Texas don't make the 15th and 16th team, Kansas would be a great 'filler' team. Sure, they don't have a great or even good football program, but it was in a BCS bowl 5 years ago; and the basketball program revenue more than makes up for a poor football program (4th most profitable program in the big 12 despite having the 2nd lowest football revenue).
  
  The Big East need SEVEN teams to join their football conference. You're telling me adding Kansas (football and basketball) wouldn't be in their top 7? I'm not saying top 2 options, or even top 5. But they could be the 15th or 16th team in the big east. Look at UCONN..the big east is a basketball minded conference with with weaker football programs. But they do just fine; their TV deal about to be signed is going to be north of a $200 million deal. The whole "football is the only thing that matters" is a bit of an exaggeration imo. Football IS the determining factor, but don't believe that basketball isn't at least looked at.
  
  Even the Pac 12/14/16 would look at Kansas if they strikeout on Texas and a couple other Big 12 schools.
• SportsAndLady

  

  jordo212000;896394 wrote:Boise State would be far more likely to get an invite than Kansas IMO.

  LOL what?!
  
  All credibility lost.
• SportsAndLady

  

  jordo212000;896394 wrote:Kansas might have to swallow its pride and enter the Mountain West

  The only way this happens is if Kansas idiotically does not separate from K-State. Kansas' AD and Chancellor keep saying that KU and KSU are a package deal; now obviously, I would hope that if it came down to the MWC with K-State or the B1G, BE, Pac16 without K-state, Zenger wouldn't be THAT stupid.
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;896398 wrote:LOL what?!
  
  All credibility lost.

  Highly unlikely yes... but it shows how much of a shot I think Kansas has. They would water down the PAC-12, Big 10, and SEC
  
  Football is driving this. You somehow seem to be missing this point. BCS appearances = money. Top 5 programs = money. Sexy OOC matchups = money. Boise could bring all of this.
  
  Kansas does brings none of this. The difference in revenues in football and basketball should make you "LOL."
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;896401 wrote:The only way this happens is if Kansas idiotically does not separate from K-State. Kansas' AD and Chancellor keep saying that KU and KSU are a package deal; now obviously, I would hope that if it came down to the MWC with K-State or the B1G, BE, Pac16 without K-state, Zenger wouldn't be THAT stupid.

  Yup. It's a very dumb way to try and bargain. They have little to no leverage and Kansas St is just as unattractive. Distance yourself and do what is best for the college.
• Little Danny

  

  jordo212000;896394 wrote:ehh maybe. But I doubt it. As krambman says, nobody has expressed any sort of interest in Kansas. Football is driving all of this and Kansas is an afterthought. Boise State would be far more likely to get an invite than Kansas IMO. I remember during the last realignment people were laughing and thinking that Kansas might have to swallow its pride and enter the Mountain West

  Not going to happen. Boise State's academics are baaaaaaaaaaaaad. No way would Stanford, Cal or USC allow them in the conference. It would be like the B10 inviting Marshall (if they suddenly became good like they were a decade ago). KU on the other hand is an AAU member.
  
  Football does apparently drive the bus, but I do believe academics and culture play a role too. I can't imagine the President of Boise State being invited to too many cocktial parties in Palo Alto and Walnut Creek.
• jordo212000

  

  Little Danny;896408 wrote:Not going to happen. Boise State's academics are baaaaaaaaaaaaad. No way would Stanford, Cal or USC allow them in the conference. It would be like the B10 inviting Marshall (if they suddenly became good like they were a decade ago). KU on the other hand is an AAU member.
  
  Football does apparently drive the bus, but I do believe academics and culture play a role too. I can't imagine the President of Boise State being invited to too many cocktial parties in Palo Alto and Walnut Creek.

  Just out of curiosity, what are the academics like at Utah, Wazzu, Arizona St, Arizona, etc.? I know some of the PAC12 schools are academic hevayweights, but what about some of the others? I haven't heard anything about Utah's academic prowess.
• sportchampps

  After Living in Lawrence, Kansas I can tell you the last thing they want is super conferences. Their fans have pretty much assumed they will not be invited to any of the four. They also are scared that if they get left out recruits wont want to go there anymore and Bill Self might leave. These were all things talked about on Local radio shows while i was there